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** ''Off Armageddon Reef'' refers to Rynhaard as "one of the legendary swordmakers of Harchong", which sounds to me like he's been dead for some time before Merlin first shows up with his "Rynhaard-made" swords. Presumably, anyone who recognizes the proof marks would assume they're heirloom blades.



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* My interpretation is that he wasn't referring to the Jihad but to the War of the Fallen. It's just pure luck that his message arrived close enough to the end of the Jihad that people interpreted it as referring to the Jihad. If you pretend that the Jihad never happened and read his message in that context then it could easily be contrued as referirng to the War of the Fallen (albeit in a rather metaphorical way) it's just that since the Jihad only recently ended everyone assumes that he is referring to that. Another alternative is that the message was supposed to be played several centuries earlier and something went wrong.



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** As of Book 10, Paityr's a bishop. No mention whether he's in a pastoral role or busy running the Church of Charis' Schuelerites, but he's got the rank to be a candidate for Archbishop.

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[[WMG: Schueler sabotaged the Rakurai platforms.]]
* The members of the inner circle have commented for the past several books on how very odd it is that the Rakurai platforms don't appear to have reacted to Safehold's increasing industrialization. Given that Schueler was apparently the head of the colony's security after Kau-Yung's sacrifice, he probably would have had the necessary access codes to reprogram the Rakurai platforms, removing any triggers that Langhorne programmed in there. And given that he apparently set up a time-delay message to reveal the truth of Safehold, I think it's safe to say that he was of Shan-wei's party by the end.



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* Jossed -- while Grand Vicar Rhobair dies in book 10, his successor vows to continue Rhobair's reforms and shows no sign of dying early. On the other hand, the Church in [[spoiler:what's left of]] the Harchong Empire isn't even rejecting Zion's calls for reform any longer, they're just ''ignoring'' them -- so the seeds of a Counter-Reformation are still present.


* The biggest flaw to this theory is that it's more actively deceptive than the protagonists have ever really been. They've typically erred on the side of passivity, gradually removing the Archangels from the Church of Charis's prayers, for example. They've also done their best to keep relative innocents, like the cathedral's congregants, out of the line of fire where possible. Were this Narmahn and Owl acting on their own that would be one thing, but "Operation Androcles" was set in motion with the full knowledge of the entire Inner Circle and after, as far as they knew, the treat of imminent Archangel arrival had passed, meaning they had time to take it slow.

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* The biggest flaw to this theory is that it's more actively deceptive than the protagonists have ever really been. They've typically erred on the side of passivity, gradually removing the Archangels from the Church of Charis's prayers, for example. They've also done their best to keep relative innocents, like the cathedral's congregants, out of the line of fire where possible. Were this Narmahn and Owl acting on their own that would be one thing, but "Operation Androcles" was set in motion with the full knowledge of the entire Inner Circle and after, as far as they knew, the treat threat of imminent Archangel arrival had passed, meaning they had time to take it slow.


* The biggest flaw to this theory is that it's more actively deceptive than the protagonists have ever really been. They've typically erred on the side of passivity, gradually removing the Archangels from the Church of Charis's prayers, for example. Were this Narmahn and Owl acting on their own that would be one thing, but "Operation Androcles" was set in motion with the full knowledge of the entire Inner Circle.

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* The biggest flaw to this theory is that it's more actively deceptive than the protagonists have ever really been. They've typically erred on the side of passivity, gradually removing the Archangels from the Church of Charis's prayers, for example. They've also done their best to keep relative innocents, like the cathedral's congregants, out of the line of fire where possible. Were this Narmahn and Owl acting on their own that would be one thing, but "Operation Androcles" was set in motion with the full knowledge of the entire Inner Circle.Circle and after, as far as they knew, the treat of imminent Archangel arrival had passed, meaning they had time to take it slow.

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* The biggest flaw to this theory is that it's more actively deceptive than the protagonists have ever really been. They've typically erred on the side of passivity, gradually removing the Archangels from the Church of Charis's prayers, for example. Were this Narmahn and Owl acting on their own that would be one thing, but "Operation Androcles" was set in motion with the full knowledge of the entire Inner Circle.


*** [[I interpreted that as being the next phase of the Good Guys' plan to undermine the Church and break the medieval stasis. Remember, the "divine" signs are nothing more than Federation tech.... And Merlin has access to that]]

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*** [[I [[spoiler:I interpreted that as being the next phase of the Good Guys' plan to undermine the Church and break the medieval stasis. Remember, the "divine" signs are nothing more than Federation tech.... And Merlin has access to that]]



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****[[I interpreted that as being the next phase of the Good Guys' plan to undermine the Church and break the medieval stasis. Remember, the "divine" signs are nothing more than Federation tech.... And Merlin has access to that]]


[[WMG: The [[spoiler:Schueler who appeared at the end of Book 10 wasn't anything left by Schueler at all. It was cooked up by Nahrman and Owl as part of "Operation Androcles"]]

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[[WMG: The [[spoiler:Schueler who appeared at the end of Book 10 wasn't anything left by Schueler at all. It was cooked up by Nahrman and Owl as part of "Operation Androcles"]]Androcles"]]]]

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[[WMG: The [[spoiler:Schueler who appeared at the end of Book 10 wasn't anything left by Schueler at all. It was cooked up by Nahrman and Owl as part of "Operation Androcles"]]
* He makes reference to the Jihad, which [[spoiler:the real Schueler]] wouldn't have had any way to know about if it was a recording made before he died and set to show at a certain time.

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** Averted, but it does [[spoiler:''end'' with the Archangel Schueler revealing at least some of it.]]



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*** Book 10 ends with [[spoiler:the so called 'Archangel's return' - Scheuler had a holographic image of himself appear in the Cathedral of Schueler in the Episcopate of Schueler in the Temple Lands to deliver a message and publish the ''Testimony of Schueler'', his version of what happened in the War of the Fallen. No evidence yet as to if any of the other Archangels had anything like that set up, or if Schueler himself had any other messages, or if there is an AI behind the hologram (It made an oblique reference that suggested it was aware of the Jihad).]]



** Unlikely. Commodore Pei told Nimue that the 'one other' was coming with him to the meeting which ended with Pei blowing up Langhorne. Schueler is known to have survived that as it was he and Chihiro who led th Church afterwards.

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** Unlikely. Commodore Pei told Nimue that the 'one other' was coming with him to the meeting which ended with Pei blowing up Langhorne. Schueler is known to have survived that as it was he and Chihiro who led th the Church afterwards.




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* [[spoiler: ''Through Fiery Trials'' ends with Schueler performing a posthumous 'miracle' in which he denounces the ''Book of Chihiro'' and releases his own history of what happened in the war.]]




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* [[spoiler:Given that Schueler posthumously publishes his own history of the War at the end of ''Through Fiery Trials'', through a miracle in which he denounces Chihiro's condemnation of Shan-Wei as an outright lie, it may be him.]]



* In terms of CharacterDevelopment. They both started out firmly in the bad guy camp, but then some great travesty commited by their allies convinced them that they should work against them. Not openly, but they began to work on their own agenda quietly. It's not clear in either case whether they changed their minds comepletely or if they're only taking issue with their side's methods but not their goals. Also, they're both playing the long game.

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* In terms of CharacterDevelopment. They both started out firmly in the bad guy camp, but then some great travesty commited by their allies convinced them that they should work against them. Not openly, but they began to work on their own agenda quietly. It's not clear in either case whether they changed their minds comepletely completely or if they're only taking issue with their side's methods but not their goals. Also, they're both playing the long game.




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*** That last bit ends up impossible, since [[spoiler:he dies of a heart attack early in book 10. That same book also has Schueler staging a posthumous miracle to publish his own memoirs about the War, which might provide more character explanation.]]




And on top of that, the value of the Church mark against everyone else's currency (but especially Charis') has been dropping like a rock for years.



And on top of that, the value of the Church mark against everyone else's currency (but especially Charis') has been dropping like a rock for years.



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* Averted, it's actually ''Siddarmark'' that ends up with an economic crisis post-Jihad.

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