Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
should probably spoiler this one
Changed line(s) 188,189 (click to see context) from:
[[WMG: The Chronos fought in Early Access is actually Zagreus, or is Chronos possessing him.]]
Mainly for how similar they both sound, every mention of Zag being in past tense, and the similar builds.
Mainly for how similar they both sound, every mention of Zag being in past tense, and the similar builds.
to:
Mainly for how similar they both sound,
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: The Chronos fought in Early Access is actually Zagreus, or is Chronos possessing him.]]
Mainly for how similar they both sound, every mention of Zag being in past tense, and the similar builds.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Adding some stuff that was confirmed
** '''Confirmed''' in Early Access.
** '''Confirmed''' in Early Access.
** Chaos' presence is '''Confirmed''' in Early Access.
Changed line(s) 40,41 (click to see context) from:
** '''Confirmed'''; Odysseus is one of the characters you can talk to in the Crossroads.
* Jason and Medea
* Jason and Medea
to:
** '''Confirmed'''; Odysseus is one of the characters you can talk to in the Crossroads.
Crossroads, and Circe appears in Early Access.
* Jason andMedeaMedea.
** Medea '''Confirmed''' in Early Access.
* Jason and
** Medea '''Confirmed''' in Early Access.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 182 (click to see context) from:
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common depiction in the Greek mythology Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, there will at at least be some sort of reference to it.
to:
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common depiction in the Greek mythology within the Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted described as the daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, character and his conflicting origins in the first game, it is very likely that -- if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, point -- there will at at least be some sort of reference to it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Hypnos put himself to perpetual sleep to protect himself from Chronos' influence]]
[[WMG: One of the areas Melinöe will visit will be the district of dreams]]
A place in the Underworld that is said to be where dream come from.
[[WMG: One of the areas Melinöe will visit will be the district of dreams]]
A place in the Underworld that is said to be where dream come from.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 179 (click to see context) from:
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common story in the Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, there will at the very least be some sort of reference to it.
to:
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common story depiction in the Greek mythology Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, there will at the very at least be some sort of reference to it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 178 (click to see context) from:
It is very much par for course for Greek mythology (even more when going by the original Orphic Hymns, where Melinoë is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades) and going by the previous game. Melinoë, by her own admission doesn't really remember anything about her early childhood and her family, her main evidence for the claim is an unfinished portrait (who says that it actually depicts her?), and Hecate does lay it on a bit thick with the whole "you must avenge your family" spiel. There is obviously ''something'' more going on there.
to:
It is very much par for course for Greek mythology (even more when going by the original Orphic Hymns, where Melinoë is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades) and going by the previous game. Melinoë, by her own admission doesn't really remember anything about her early childhood and her family, her main evidence for the claim is an unfinished portrait (who says that it actually depicts her?), and Hecate does lay it on a bit thick with the whole "you must avenge your family" spiel. There is obviously ''something'' more going on there.\\\
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common story in the Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, there will at the very least be some sort of reference to it.
Even more so when going Melinoë's most common story in the Orphic Hymns, where she is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades. And seeing how Supergiant Games handled Zagreus' character, if they aren't using this tale an outright plot point, there will at the very least be some sort of reference to it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 178 (click to see context) from:
It is very much par for course for Greek mythology and going by the previous game. Melinoë, by her own admission doesn't really remember anything about her early childhood and her family, her main evidence for the claim is an unfinished portrait (who says that it actually depicts her?), and Hecate does lay it on a bit thick with the whole "you must avenge your family" spiel. There is obviously ''something'' more going on there.
to:
It is very much par for course for Greek mythology (even more when going by the original Orphic Hymns, where Melinoë is indeed depicted as daughter of Persephone, but her father is Zeus by way of performing a BedTrick by disguising himself as Hades) and going by the previous game. Melinoë, by her own admission doesn't really remember anything about her early childhood and her family, her main evidence for the claim is an unfinished portrait (who says that it actually depicts her?), and Hecate does lay it on a bit thick with the whole "you must avenge your family" spiel. There is obviously ''something'' more going on there.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Confirmed presence of Erebus in the game.
Changed line(s) 139 (click to see context) from:
to:
* '''Confirmed''' by the Technical Preview; Erebus is the first section of the game, much like Tartarus is in the first game.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 5 (click to see context) from:
to:
*** '''Jossed''' as far as being the ''first'' boss is concerned...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG:There will be some sort of twist regarding Melinoë's parentage]]
It is very much par for course for Greek mythology and going by the previous game. Melinoë, by her own admission doesn't really remember anything about her early childhood and her family, her main evidence for the claim is an unfinished portrait (who says that it actually depicts her?), and Hecate does lay it on a bit thick with the whole "you must avenge your family" spiel. There is obviously ''something'' more going on there.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 60 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Jossed, it's a binding spell to hold enemies in place for a short time.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: A Greek witch from myth will be a boss fight.]]
This is to compare with Zagreus fighting Theseus/Asterius, with the witch aspect specifically because of Melinoe. Possible candidates included:
* Medea. We already have a witch boss fight with Hecate, but it would still be thematically appropriate
* Circe. See above.
[[WMG: Zagreus has been permanently killed by Chronos.]]
I ''really'' hope this one isn't true, but it would be the exact sort of PlayerPunch that would make a player want Chronos dead yesterday. Also, when Melinoe looks at the unfinished portrait, she always speaks in the second person - "what they did to you", etc, and as bad as what happened to her is, it almost sounds like she's speaking to someone else.
[[WMG: Sisyphus allowed for the rise of Chronos.]]
Think about it. There is a reference in the play-test to traitors. Maybe they were talking about Sisyphus, who acted like Zagreus' friend throughout the first game and was plotting the whole time. Mythologically, Sisyphus is known to be extremely cunning and cheated death twice. Whose to say he wasn't putting on an act in the first game? Leading to this one, he'll be a boss fight, possibly a paired boss fight with Bouldy to contrast Theseus and Asterius.
[[WMG: Penelope, Telemachus or both will appear in the game.]]
Odysseus is here, so why not? Maybe Melinoe will reunite them.
This is to compare with Zagreus fighting Theseus/Asterius, with the witch aspect specifically because of Melinoe. Possible candidates included:
* Medea. We already have a witch boss fight with Hecate, but it would still be thematically appropriate
* Circe. See above.
[[WMG: Zagreus has been permanently killed by Chronos.]]
I ''really'' hope this one isn't true, but it would be the exact sort of PlayerPunch that would make a player want Chronos dead yesterday. Also, when Melinoe looks at the unfinished portrait, she always speaks in the second person - "what they did to you", etc, and as bad as what happened to her is, it almost sounds like she's speaking to someone else.
[[WMG: Sisyphus allowed for the rise of Chronos.]]
Think about it. There is a reference in the play-test to traitors. Maybe they were talking about Sisyphus, who acted like Zagreus' friend throughout the first game and was plotting the whole time. Mythologically, Sisyphus is known to be extremely cunning and cheated death twice. Whose to say he wasn't putting on an act in the first game? Leading to this one, he'll be a boss fight, possibly a paired boss fight with Bouldy to contrast Theseus and Asterius.
[[WMG: Penelope, Telemachus or both will appear in the game.]]
Odysseus is here, so why not? Maybe Melinoe will reunite them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 31 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Pasithea, Hypnos' wife and goddess of rest, relaxation, and hallucinations.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG:Melinoe's domains will be part of gameplay mechanics.]]
In mythology Melinoe is goddess of ghosts and nightmares. A gameplay mechanic could be going into dreams and waking people up by either dispelling or causing nightmares--likely starting with Hypnos as a tutorial mechanic.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Hephaestus and Aphrodite will have TeethClenchedTeamwork in their duo boon lines]]
Mythologically speaking they are exes that broke up after Aphrodite cheated on him with Ares, so its unlikely they are on the best of terms even while Olympus is being attacked.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 113 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Pirithous, Theseus' companion who tried to abduct Persephone and got eternally glued to a chair
* Orthrus, Cerberus's brother
* Orthrus, Cerberus's brother
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: The phases of the moon will play a part in gameplay.]]
The first time you lose a run, Hecate notes that it was to be expected, as the moon was in its 'New' phase. All the weapons are placed on top of symbols that represent the phases of the moon, as do the gathering tools. Perhaps certain weapons are more powerful per phase, or you are more likely to get a certain reagent/resource depending on each phase of the moon?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 19 (click to see context) from:
** '''Confirmed'''
to:
** '''Confirmed''''''Confirmed'''; he appears as a boon-granting Olympian, with a focus seemingly on tanking and dishing out massive hits.
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
*** Demeter could also show up in summer mood, granting fire abilities - which would also give a convenient explanation for Persephone's absence: she's currently stuck on Mount Olympus. This would leave defense boons for Hestia.
to:
*** Fire-based Demeter is '''jossed'''; she's back to grant more boons but she retains her winter theming from the first game.
Changed line(s) 34 (click to see context) from:
** '''Confirmed'''
to:
** '''Confirmed''''''Confirmed'''; Odysseus is one of the characters you can talk to in the Crossroads.
** '''Confirmed'''. Charon returns to run his shop, but the upheaval of the Underworld has affected him too; the shop looks less put together and Poseidon snips that he's "turned to the life of piratical smuggler".
** One of the Arcana cards is named "The Furies", but it remains to be seen whether they'll make an in-person appearance.
Changed line(s) 77,78 (click to see context) from:
** '''Confirmed''': She assists Mel as an old friend in the middle of the first area, in a role similar to Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus.
to:
** '''Confirmed''': She assists Mel as an old friend in the middle of the first area, in a role similar to Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus.
Thanatos.
Changed line(s) 81,82 (click to see context) from:
* '''Confirmed''' by her talking to Dora.
to:
* '''Confirmed''' by '''Confirmed'''; Dora calls her talking to Dora.
Mel.
Changed line(s) 100 (click to see context) from:
to:
* '''Jossed''' by the technical preview; the Narrator from the first game returns.
Changed line(s) 140 (click to see context) from:
[[WMG: Cerberus will be a boss this time]].
to:
[[WMG: Cerberus will be a boss this time]].time.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* Alternatively, Cerberus's two-headed brother Orthrus will be the dog to dread.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Cerberus will be a boss this time]].
And it will be a very sad case of ShootTheDog even though he'll be okay.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Hades and/or Persephone will be a SixthRanger to the other gods aiding Melinoë like Demeter in the first game]]
Perhaps getting to Chronos will allow them to use up enough of their power to give Melinoë boons. Hades's boons could use the Boiling Blood mechanic from his bossfight and Persephone's could be about springing up flowers that damage enemies.
Perhaps getting to Chronos will allow them to use up enough of their power to give Melinoë boons. Hades's boons could use the Boiling Blood mechanic from his bossfight and Persephone's could be about springing up flowers that damage enemies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 77 (click to see context) from:
to:
** '''Confirmed''': She assists Mel as an old friend in the middle of the first area, in a role similar to Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 51 (click to see context) from:
to:
* '''Confirmed''': She's the first boss.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** '''Confirmed''', including the fire.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8,9 (click to see context) from:
* Seemingly confirmed in the tech preview; whatever happened to Hades, Zag and Persephone also disappeared alongside him.
to:
* Seemingly confirmed '''Confirmed''' in the tech preview; whatever happened to Hades, Zag and Persephone also disappeared alongside him.
Changed line(s) 19 (click to see context) from:
** Confirmed
to:
** Confirmed'''Confirmed'''
Changed line(s) 33 (click to see context) from:
** Confirmed
to:
** Confirmed'''Confirmed'''
Changed line(s) 78,79 (click to see context) from:
* Confirmed by her talking to Dora.
to:
* Confirmed '''Confirmed''' by her talking to Dora.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Seemingly confirmed in the tech preview; whatever happened to Hades, Zag and Persephone also disappeared alongside him.
** Confirmed
** Confirmed
Changed line(s) 75 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Confirmed by her talking to Dora.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
More theories for potential support gods and removal of the "boon similar to Aphrodite's 'lovesick' affliction', since that does not suit her character.
Changed line(s) 18 (click to see context) from:
* Hera, goddess of marriage. She could have a similar "lovesick" ability to Aphrodite, or perhaps have a mechanic where you get massive buffs after taking damage as a reference to her constant attempts at seeking revenge after Zeus's many infidelities.
to:
* Hera, goddess of marriage. She could have a similar "lovesick" ability to Aphrodite, or perhaps have a mechanic where you get massive buffs after taking damage as a reference to her constant attempts at seeking revenge after Zeus's many infidelities.
Changed line(s) 20 (click to see context) from:
** Both of the above are especially likely, given that unlike the situation with Zagreus, their father is now involved.
to:
** Both of the above Hera and Hestia are especially likely, given that unlike the situation with Zagreus, their father is now involved.involved. Hestia's assistance here would make more sense than in the first game, since Melinoe's goal is to safe her father (and probably protect the Underworld/her home in the process), unlike Zag, who tried to break out of it.
***Demeter could also show up in summer mood, granting fire abilities - which would also give a convenient explanation for Persephone's absence: she's currently stuck on Mount Olympus. This would leave defense boons for Hestia.
***Demeter could also show up in summer mood, granting fire abilities - which would also give a convenient explanation for Persephone's absence: she's currently stuck on Mount Olympus. This would leave defense boons for Hestia.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 127,128 (click to see context) from:
The first game was all about patching up the family bonds both within Zagreus' own small family and with the extended family of Olympus. Zagreus kept visiting his mother despite her warnings that it might end badly if the Olympians find out about her location. It wouldn't be out of character for Zagreus to try and mend the bridges with his Titan Grandfather and Chronos took advantage of that.
to:
The first game was all about patching up the family bonds both within Zagreus' own small family and with the extended family of Olympus. Zagreus kept visiting his mother despite her warnings that it might end badly if the Olympians find out about her location. It wouldn't be out of character for Zagreus to try and mend the bridges with his Titan Grandfather Relatives and Chronos took advantage of that.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Chronos tricked Zagreus into helping him escape]]
The first game was all about patching up the family bonds both within Zagreus' own small family and with the extended family of Olympus. Zagreus kept visiting his mother despite her warnings that it might end badly if the Olympians find out about her location. It wouldn't be out of character for Zagreus to try and mend the bridges with his Titan Grandfather and Chronos took advantage of that.
The first game was all about patching up the family bonds both within Zagreus' own small family and with the extended family of Olympus. Zagreus kept visiting his mother despite her warnings that it might end badly if the Olympians find out about her location. It wouldn't be out of character for Zagreus to try and mend the bridges with his Titan Grandfather and Chronos took advantage of that.
