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[[WMG: Animal Mother is the protagonist of Bruce Springsteen song ''Born in the USA'']]
The book ''The Short-Timers'' lets us understand that Animal Mother had a very troubling youth and past in a small town, and he had the choice of either joining the military or going to prison. In the book, he survives the war.


[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of the Mc Namara's "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on getting sent to Vietnam.



Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.\\



This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes it''.

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This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes doing it''.



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This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes it''.

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** Where do you people get all this? The Marines did a draft just like all the other branches did, in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. It's standard policy that if one branch does a draft, they all have to. The numbers were usually smaller, but the draft was present. And then Project 100,000 came along, which is probably how Leonard got sucked in.



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* Sure, but then he develops [[Franchise/MassEffect Vrolik syndrome, becomes immortal, develops a talent for piloting spaceships]], and mellows out a lot.


Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.want.

[[WMG: "Door Gunner" wasn't always a sociopath but rather a display of what being in 'Nam can do to someone.]]

His logic of everyone being the enemy isn't entirely unfounded as often in the Vietnam war, a seemingly innocent civilian (even women and children) ends up getting the drop on a soldier with some trap or bomb. That perhaps mixed with the "ungrateful" (considering the US was partially helping France with one of their messes) attitude of South Vietnamese caused him to figure "Why take chances? Better them than us".

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** Many men joined the Marines because they knew they were subject to the draft, and tried to circumvent going to a bad Army unit. The belief was if they are going to fight in Vietnam anyway, may as well be in an all-volunteer outfit. So in essence, many Marines were unwilling, or at least less than enthusiastic volunteers.


Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.


Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.



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* Literally millions of Americans grow up shooting rifles who have no desire to murder anyone. Him already knowing how to shoot (or not knowing and just being naturally talented) isn’t indicative of anything. For many people, target shooting is a nonviolent (shooting people is violent, shooting a paper circle isn’t) recreational activity. And as I already said, he may have never touched a weapon before and just had a natural talent for marksmanship. That happens sometimes.


He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the Marines.

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He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the Marines.

[[WMG: Joker will eventually become a “Stolen Valor” case.]]
While not ''entirely'' a coward, Joker isn’t particularly brave. We see this when he does nothing to stop Pyle before he loads his weapon (which could have prevented two senseless deaths, including Pyle’s), during the first wave of the Tet Offensive, when he nervously stutters “I hope they’re just fucking with us!” and during the sniper scene, where he instantly goes from best friend to TheLoad for Cowboy, who is as scared as anyone but doesn’t let it control him. At the same time, Joker often brags about wanting to see combat, and later about combat he’s been in, as well as the BadassBoast on his helmet. Granted, Joker is clearly a fairly intelligent and educated individual with some rather deep philosophical views on war—though on some level he also seems to think he’s the smartest one around, and he may even be right about that from time to time, though not as often as he thinks—, and his bravado about wanting to be a killer is probably deliberate irony on his part, but he also overcompensates with other
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Joker seems to really, really ''want'' to fit in with Cowboy’s platoon, despite being a “POG” reporter who only occasionally sees danger. They seem okay with him at first, and he doesn’t cause any problems as long as nothing happens that likely means ''he'' might get killed, but the moment things really go sideways, when they take a wrong turn in Hue City, Joker immediately turns into a chattering wreck. His best friend Cowboy has to give him a not-at-all-friendly “Joker, shut the ''fuck'' up!” before his nervous talk starts affecting morale or discipline. Even when hunting the sniper, Joker seems less motivated by any desire to fight the enemy or avenge his friend than by the fact that Animal Mother will probably shoot him if he doesn’t. To use Animal Mother’s own words, Joker talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk at all.\\
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.


** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, something which amounted to a recruiter "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.


[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a supervillain]].]]

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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} [[ComicBook/TheJoker a supervillain]].]]


[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]

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[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]along.]]



[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience grows up to be a super villain]]

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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a super villain]]supervillain]].]]


** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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