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** For what it's worth, the screenplay identifies her as Credence's aunt. If she couldn't use magic, that means either she was a Squib or Credence is a Muggle-born/half-blood, which might lend credence to the notion that [[spoiler: Grindelwald is lying to him about being a Dumbledore.]]
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*** The extended cut reveals that many years ago Grindelwald had a vision of an Obscurial killing the man he fears most -- Dumbledore. So Grindelwald's been looking an Obscurus to kill Dumbledore for decades.
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** The extended cut reveals that many years ago Grindelwald had a vision of an Obscurial killing the man he fears most -- Dumbledore. So Grindelwald lying to Credence would just make it easier for him to manipulate the boy into killing the man he fears most.
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* Her morality, or what sentience she had left after becoming a snake permanently, was twisted by the negative energy of having a [[SoulJar a fragment of Voldemort's soul inside her.]] Keep in mind the awful mood swings Harry himself endured as (unknowingly) a Horcrux [[Book/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix after Voldemort awakened]] as well as the amplifying effect the locket in Book/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows had on the Trio's negative emotions. Now stretch that over decades and take away the human's capacity to have a conscience.
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* Her morality, or what sentience she had left after becoming a snake permanently, was twisted by the negative energy of having a [[SoulJar a fragment of Voldemort's soul inside her.]] Keep in mind the awful mood swings Harry himself endured as (unknowingly) a Horcrux [[Book/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix after Voldemort awakened]] as well as the amplifying effect the locket in Book/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows had on the Trio's negative emotions. Now stretch that over decades and take away the human's capacity to have a conscience.
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** The script calls her Minerva, so it can’t be her mother.
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The woman named Mcgonagall in the film is not the stern lady we see in harry potter due to Minerva not even being born yet during this film's timeline. The Mcgonagall here is Minerva's mother Isobel Ross who was already married to Robert Mcgonagall hence her name. Minerva looked up to her mother and ended up taking up her role as professor after she graduated in 1954 and retired from the ministry of magic in 1956-7 which is the earliest time she would actually be teaching (aka she'd be in her mid 20s).
The woman named Mcgonagall in the film is not the stern lady we see in harry potter due to Minerva not even being born yet during this film's timeline. The Mcgonagall here is Minerva's mother Isobel Ross who was already married to Robert Mcgonagall hence her name. Minerva looked up to her mother and ended up taking up her role as professor after she graduated in 1954 and retired from the ministry of magic in 1956-7 which is the earliest time she would actually be teaching (aka she'd be in her mid 20s).
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not able to bear the man she loved not being able to remember her and possibly moving on with another woman not aware she even existed. remembering everything, she ended up brainwashing jacob so they could start over. makes her a massive yandere if that was the case.
not able to bear the man she loved not being able to remember her and possibly moving on with another woman not aware she even existed. remembering everything, she ended up brainwashing jacob so they could start over. makes her a massive yandere if that was the case.
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not able to bear the man she loved not being able to remember her and possibly moving on with another woman not aware she even existed. remembering everything, she ended up brainwashing jacob so they could start over. makes her a massive yandere if that was the case.
[[WMG: The magic circus wasn't for wizards]]
women turning into snakes, fireworks coming out of wands and other such things are fairly normal in the wizarding world and hardly something wizards would pay to see. Instead the show is catering to muggle tourists who managed to slip through the masquerade illegally. Invitation only, muggles can only get in if another member invites them in. There is the possibility of a whole underground market, selling potions, oddities and other such things to muggles for a large fee.
not able to bear the man she loved not being able to remember her and possibly moving on with another woman not aware she even existed. remembering everything, she ended up brainwashing jacob so they could start over. makes her a massive yandere if that was the case.
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women turning into snakes, fireworks coming out of wands and other such things are fairly normal in the wizarding world and hardly something wizards would pay to see. Instead the show is catering to muggle tourists who managed to slip through the masquerade illegally. Invitation only, muggles can only get in if another member invites them in. There is the possibility of a whole underground market, selling potions, oddities and other such things to muggles for a large fee.
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*** Or maybe it was the news that Kendra had produced another child that ''set off'' Ariana's uncontrolled outburst of rage, if the bitter and mentally-damaged girl reacted to the news by assuming her mother was trying to replace her with an ''un''damaged child.
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It is quite possible she knew what Grindelwald was thinking. So, maybe what if she was planning to pretend to deflect, and possibly spy on Grindelwald. Remember: She's a mindreader, and probably figured out what Grindelwald was doing, and planned on destroying his forces on the inside.
It is quite possible she knew what Grindelwald was thinking. So, maybe what if she was planning to pretend to deflect, and possibly spy on Grindelwald. Remember: She's a mindreader, and probably figured out what Grindelwald was doing, and planned on destroying his forces on the inside.
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[[WMG: This may become a RunningGag ....]]
In both of the last films, the funniest scene has involved Newt trying to convince a creature to get into his magical suitcase. Each of the next films will probably have a similar scene where Newt has to do something a little goofy in order to get a rampaging beast to calm down and get in his suitcase. It will be a different beast and different action each time so it will stay funny. Maybe the final one will have a twist...the beast does something to trick Newt into getting into his own suitcase.
In both of the last films, the funniest scene has involved Newt trying to convince a creature to get into his magical suitcase. Each of the next films will probably have a similar scene where Newt has to do something a little goofy in order to get a rampaging beast to calm down and get in his suitcase. It will be a different beast and different action each time so it will stay funny. Maybe the final one will have a twist...the beast does something to trick Newt into getting into his own suitcase.
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[[WMG: Leta may have [[spoiler: faked her death]] - or even [[DeathFakedForYou had it faked on her behalf.]]]]
You look at the way that plot thread ended and... it didn't, really. Also, JKR has pulled this in-universe several times. An important character in Harry Potter, for example, was thought dead in-universe for ''twelve years'' before coming back in Books 3 and 4 to be fairly important. In fact, until casting for ''Crimes'' dropped and we saw his actor had been cast again, [[spoiler: Credence appeared to be a goner. Suffice it to say, he appears now to be fairly important.]]
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* Also adds an extra layer that isn't entirely necessary. Remember, Fawkes is ''already'' very important in the story of the conflict between Voldemort and Dumbledore. Fawkes is identified as the phoenix that gave the tail feather cores for both Harry and Voldemort's wands, which serves as part of the unique bond between those two wands and their owners that prompts Voldemort to seek the Elder Wand at the end as a way to get around that issue.
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[[WMG: Bunty plays the role of an assistant but is actually a Ministry-assigned handler. Or at the very least, Newt thinks she might be.]]
For the most part, Newt seems to have been competent enough in his researching work up until the events of the first movie to not have a need for an assistant in taking care of his menagerie. He also seems to have been on some sort of probation in the interim between the two films. The Ministry may have assigned him Bunty, ostensibly as an assistant, but in practice to keep an eye on him and his creatures and make sure no accidents happen and he doesn't step out of line. (And we know via Theseus that the Ministry ''is'' watching Newt, so there's that.)
For the most part, Newt seems to have been competent enough in his researching work up until the events of the first movie to not have a need for an assistant in taking care of his menagerie. He also seems to have been on some sort of probation in the interim between the two films. The Ministry may have assigned him Bunty, ostensibly as an assistant, but in practice to keep an eye on him and his creatures and make sure no accidents happen and he doesn't step out of line. (And we know via Theseus that the Ministry ''is'' watching Newt, so there's that.)
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* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Since the Swooping Evil's poison only removes ''bad'' memories, and most of Jacob's memories were pleasant, Queenie only had to fill in some of the details.]]
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* It's still not ''entirely'' explicit. When Dumbledore is told that he and Grindelwald were "as close as brothers", he replies that they were closer than that, and the flashback scene with Dumbledore and Grindelwald [[spoiler:making the Blood Oath]] is full of HomoeroticSubtext, but we're still not told directly that they were a couple.
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While Queenie has gone to the dark side out of the hopes that the future that Grindelwald is trying to usher in will give her the freedom she desires, she isn't cruel. And she does truly love Jacob. And Rowling has always shown a tendency towards LoveRedeems. Which means that Queenie might come back to the hero side if Grindelwald or his followers cross the line in her sight (or in their minds, where she can hear). But it might take something big and earth-shattering to really shake her out of the cult mindset. And we know that Jacob and the others won't give up on her without a fight. So I'm afraid that [[spoiler:Jacob]] being killed trying to reach her will be the event that truly opens her eyes to Grindelwald's true vision.
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Rowling has displayed a taste for putting in details that seem unimportant that become important later. Bunty clearly has a crush on Newt, though he seems oblivious. When she sees him paling around with Tina, she's going to become jealous and desperate. It would be very easy for her to slip a love potion in his tea one day.
Rowling has displayed a taste for putting in details that seem unimportant that become important later. Bunty clearly has a crush on Newt, though he seems oblivious. When she sees him paling around with Tina, she's going to become jealous and desperate. It would be very easy for her to slip a love potion in his tea one day.
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*** Who said they were random? He could have known them very well, and either they were like-minded misogynistic Muggle-haters, or they were of a different mindset but had his respect and he knew they would protect an innocent child. There may even have been some sort of blackmail and/or mind magic involved (Confundus to make them forget ordering a servant to help, Imperius to make them give the orders, etc).
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*Incredibly unlikely, as that would make Petunia a Squib and Lily a half-blood, despite them being a Muggle and Muggle-born, respectively. And where is it ever stated that Harry’s bloodline is tied to phoenixes? Fawkes came to Harry in the Chamber because of the immense loyalty Harry had for Dumbledore - this is explained in the book and film.
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Fawkes came to him in Chamber of Secrets because his bloodline is tied to phoenixes. If it turns out that Credence isn't a Dumbledore, he still had a tie to phoenixes that Harry can inherit (assuming that bird really is one). WordOfGod has stated that Credence will go on to become someone important in the HP universe; why not the maternal grandfather of the boy who defeated the greatest Dark Wizard in history?
Fawkes came to him in Chamber of Secrets because his bloodline is tied to phoenixes. If it turns out that Credence isn't a Dumbledore, he still had a tie to phoenixes that Harry can inherit (assuming that bird really is one). WordOfGod has stated that Credence will go on to become someone important in the HP universe; why not the maternal grandfather of the boy who defeated the greatest Dark Wizard in history?
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**All of this is either incorrect, or grasping a straws. Just because Credence is a white male with dark hair does not automatically make him a Potter - there are many white males with dark hair; are ''they'' also secretly Potters too? No, of course they aren't. Phoenixes attach themselves to one owner their whole lives, and when that owner dies, they find their own paths, not new masters - so I highly doubt the phoenix at the end of the film is Fawkes. Also, Fleamont is already established to be alive and well-aware of his identity in ''Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them'', since a newspaper in the beginning mentions him and how his hair potion was wooing American witches. Credence also cannot be Henry Potter because Credence is established to have been born around 1901 - Henry was born ''before'' 1892, because Fleamont is alive in 1926, and therefore is of age by then. Henry and Fleamont are also both ''British'' wizards - Credence is American. Finally, Henry was a member of the Wizengamot from 1913 to 1921, when Credence was in America and under the "care" of Mary Lou Barebone. I know you said [=McGonagall's=] presence shows Rowling isn't caring about her previously established canon, but that's just one character who was most likely shoehorned in for fanservice, and doesn't mean ''every'' character will have their previous personal-continuity retconned by a writer who has said herself that maths is far from her strong suit.
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Another "Grindelwald lied" theory. He could be either Fleamont (Harry's grandfather) or Henry (Harry's great-grandfather). There is little established biographical information about either and the timeline vaguely fits (though the presence of Prof. [=McGonagall=] at Hogwarts shows Rowling doesn't really care about the previously established timeline).
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wand core.
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wand core.
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* Credence is a white guy with dark hair.
* He could be either Fleamont (Harry's grandfather) or Henry (Harry's great-grandfather). There is little established biographical information about either and the timeline vaguely fits(though (and the presence of Prof. [=McGonagall=] at Hogwarts shows Rowling doesn't really care about the previously established timeline).
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wandcore.
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* Credence is a white guy with dark hair.
* He could be either Fleamont (Harry's grandfather) or Henry (Harry's great-grandfather). There is little established biographical information about either and the timeline vaguely fits
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wand
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One of the main criticisms of this film is that it's not really a complete story unto itself, but more setup for later films. Could the intent be that this series is being written for binge watching?
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[[WMG: Credence isn't a Dumbledore but a Potter]]
Another "Grindelwald lied" theory. He could be either Fleamont (Harry's grandfather) or Henry (Harry's great-grandfather). There is little established biographical information about either and the timeline vaguely fits (though the presence of Prof. McGonagall at Hogwarts shows Rowling doesn't really care about the previously established timeline).
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wand core.
Another "Grindelwald lied" theory. He could be either Fleamont (Harry's grandfather) or Henry (Harry's great-grandfather). There is little established biographical information about either and the timeline vaguely fits (though the presence of Prof. McGonagall at Hogwarts shows Rowling doesn't really care about the previously established timeline).
* This would also explain why the phoenix (possibly Fawkes) came to him. Both the Dumbledores and the Potters have connections to phoenixes. Harry had a phoenix feather wand core.
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** Also, maybe the camera cut during the ending was designed to trick us and [[spoiler: the 'brother' of Credence[=/=]Aurelius]] to whom Grindelwald refers to as wanting to kill him isn't actually Albus, it's ''Aberforth.'' Even [[spoiler: with the blood pact he and Albus made]], Albus is probably very hesitant to want to kill Grindelwald for a number of reasons. Abeforth, on the other hand... think about it: The last time Aberforth and Grindelwald met, Aberforth got Cruciated by Grindelwald and lost his sister. Aberforth was known to have a HairTriggerTemper in his younger days, and can also hold a grudge. It's probably safe to assume, also, that Aberforth (who didn't much like Grindelwald from the beginning because of his influence on Albus) did ''not'' make a blood pact with Grindelwald. So where Albus would be reluctant even at best, Aberforth would almost certainly try to kill Grindelwald on sight, and Grindelwald, knowing the whole family, would almost certainly be aware of that. Perhaps film 3 debuts Aberforth as an AntiHero or possibly [[UnscrupulousHero something even]] [[NominalHero darker.]]
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* Since Dumbledore and Grindelwald swore an oath not to fight, Grindelwald might not have been referring to Albus Dumbledore when he told Credence "Your brother is trying to kill me." Instead, he might be referring to Newt, so Credence is the illegitimate son of Newt's father and Dumbledore's mother.
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