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Joker's defeat at the climax of that episode, in addition to being his final chronological DCAU appearance before the flashback here, was a particularly humiliating one: Having Batman turn his pet [[MindRape Mind Rapist]] against him, shooting to spit his so-called InsanityImmunity and leaving him even more off the deep end than usual, and all on live TV to boot, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard thanks to him buying the airways so that Ace could use her powers on the entire country]]. Unfortunately, Ace's assault on Joker's mind [[NiceJobBreakingItHero only left him even more crazier than usual]], and blaming Batman for Ace turning against him (he was the one who revealed that Joker still had the immunity headband to her) and still having the other Cadmus tech he liberated when breaking out Ace and the rest of the Royal Flush Gang, decided to do to Robin a physical version of what Batman had Ace do to him as payback.

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Joker's defeat at the climax of that episode, in addition to being his final chronological DCAU appearance before the flashback here, was a particularly humiliating one: Having Batman turn his pet [[MindRape Mind Rapist]] against him, shooting to spit his so-called InsanityImmunity and leaving him even more off the deep end than usual, and all on live TV to boot, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard thanks to him buying the airways so that Ace could use her powers on the entire country]]. Unfortunately, Ace's assault on Joker's mind [[NiceJobBreakingItHero only left him even more crazier than usual]], and blaming Batman for Ace turning against him (he was the one who revealed that Joker still had the immunity headband to her) and still having the other Cadmus tech he liberated when breaking out Ace and the rest of the Royal Flush Gang, decided to do to Robin a physical version of what Batman had Ace do to him as payback.payback.
** Alternatively, Batman and Ace proved that Joker was actually not insane but evil. Remember, the only reason he wasn't given the death penalty is because the courts think he's just misguided and thought it's possible to reform him. Now the truth comes in and the entire country now sees Joker as someone that deserves to be hanged, electrocutred, burn etc.


[[WMG:Alternatively, the Dee Dees are Harley and Jack "The Creeper" Ryder's granddaughters]]
Creeper was a StalkerWithACrush towards Harley, and his personality while not under the patch ''is'' similar enough to the late Mr. J's without the psychopathic tendencies for Harley to give the guy a chance.



It seems more than coincidental that Bruce Wayne had not just one but ''two'' sleazy, sociopathic, backstabbing business partners who had both secretly planned to kill Bruce.

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It seems more than coincidental that Bruce Wayne had not just one but ''two'' sleazy, sociopathic, backstabbing business partners who had both secretly planned to kill Bruce.Bruce.

[[WMG:Joker's plot to kidnap and brainwash Tim was a result of the events of "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueS2E21And22WildCards Wild Cards]]"]]
Joker's defeat at the climax of that episode, in addition to being his final chronological DCAU appearance before the flashback here, was a particularly humiliating one: Having Batman turn his pet [[MindRape Mind Rapist]] against him, shooting to spit his so-called InsanityImmunity and leaving him even more off the deep end than usual, and all on live TV to boot, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard thanks to him buying the airways so that Ace could use her powers on the entire country]]. Unfortunately, Ace's assault on Joker's mind [[NiceJobBreakingItHero only left him even more crazier than usual]], and blaming Batman for Ace turning against him (he was the one who revealed that Joker still had the immunity headband to her) and still having the other Cadmus tech he liberated when breaking out Ace and the rest of the Royal Flush Gang, decided to do to Robin a physical version of what Batman had Ace do to him as payback.


[[WMG: Jordan Pryce became Paxton Powers' cellmate]]

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[[WMG: Jordan Pryce became Paxton Powers' cellmate]]cellmate]]
It seems more than coincidental that Bruce Wayne had not just one but ''two'' sleazy, sociopathic, backstabbing business partners who had both secretly planned to kill Bruce.


Jossed: Those are WIGS to make them look like dolls, not actual hair.

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* Jossed: Those are WIGS to make them look like dolls, not actual hair.



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Jossed: Those are WIGS to make them look like dolls, not actual hair.


Harley and Ivy somehow made babies together using science. They do have red hair like Ivy.

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Harley and Ivy somehow made babies together using science. They do have red hair like Ivy.Ivy.

[[WMG: Jordan Pryce became Paxton Powers' cellmate]]


Harley and Ivy somehow made babies together using science. They do have Ivy's red hair.

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Harley and Ivy somehow made babies together using science. They do have Ivy's red hair.hair like Ivy.


[[WMG: The Dee Dees are Harley and Ivy's granddaughters]]]]

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[[WMG: The Dee Dees are Harley and Ivy's granddaughters]]]]granddaughters]]

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[[WMG: The Dee Dees are Harley and Ivy's granddaughters]]]]
Harley and Ivy somehow made babies together using science. They do have Ivy's red hair.


[[WMG:Neo-Joker is actually the one who pulled the trigger on Joker.]]
Considering that no matter how carefully he was crafted, the mind of the Joker installed in Tim Drake is a ''copy'' of the original, it stands to reason that this copy of Joker (hereafter Neo-Joker) was already at work in the beginning, and that it was mostly his personality in control when he was obeying Joker and Harley Quinn. In the climactic moment when Joker ordered him to shoot Batman, Tim Drake ''was'' struggling with Neo-Joker for control, but didn't have the force of will to keep him from pulling the trigger. What happened next was a snap-decision compromise between them:
* Neo-Joker suddenly realized that the original of which he was a copy was, after all, getting a bit long in the tooth, and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he didn't need him anymore]].
* Neo-Joker also realized that with his original version still around, he would always be in his shadow, and didn't appreciate being a subordinate in a rivalry with his other self; as far as he was concerned, [[ICanRuleAlone there could only be one Joker]].
* Being an ''exact'' copy, Neo-Joker inherited all of the original Joker's psychopathic sense of BlackComedy, his cruelty, and his extreme disloyalty to everyone: from his perspective, the thought of killing his mental "father" and thereby [[HoistByHisOwnPetard hoisting him by his own petard]] was actually ''hilarious''.
* Tim Drake is not entirely guiltless even so, because he never entirely saw eye-to-eye with Batman on that whole ThouShaltNotKill rule of his, particularly after Clayface murdered his young lady friend by reabsorbing her. Watching the Joker laugh at what he thought was Batman's impending death was enough to [[BatmanGrabsAGun push him over the edge at last]].
Thus, at the last moment, Tim Drake persuaded Neo-Joker to switch targets and shoot Joker instead of Batman. That's why he was both laughing and crying: Joker had just told him "That's not funny, kid," and Neo-Joker was thinking "Oh yes, it is!" while Tim Drake was thinking "[[HeelRealization I've failed you, Batman]]: I couldn't stop myself from killing." That's also why he took his mandatory retirement from being Robin better than might be expected, and hated to be reminded of his costumed days forever afterward.


* Being an ''exact'' copy, Neo-Joker inherited all of the original Joker's psychopathic sense of BlackComedy, his cruelty, and his extreme disloyalty to everyone: from his perspective, the thought of killing his mental "father" might actually be hilarious.
* Tim Drake is not entirely guiltless even so, because he never entirely saw eye-to-eye with Batman on that whole ThouShaltNotKill rule of his, particularly after Clayface murdered his young lady friend by reabsorbing her. Watching the Joker laugh at what he thought was Batman's pending doom was enough to [[BatmanGrabsAGun push him over the edge at last]].
Thus, at the last moment, Tim Drake persuaded Neo-Joker to switch targets and shoot Joker instead of Batman.

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* Being an ''exact'' copy, Neo-Joker inherited all of the original Joker's psychopathic sense of BlackComedy, his cruelty, and his extreme disloyalty to everyone: from his perspective, the thought of killing his mental "father" might and thereby [[HoistByHisOwnPetard hoisting him by his own petard]] was actually be hilarious.
''hilarious''.
* Tim Drake is not entirely guiltless even so, because he never entirely saw eye-to-eye with Batman on that whole ThouShaltNotKill rule of his, particularly after Clayface murdered his young lady friend by reabsorbing her. Watching the Joker laugh at what he thought was Batman's pending doom impending death was enough to [[BatmanGrabsAGun push him over the edge at last]].
Thus, at the last moment, Tim Drake persuaded Neo-Joker to switch targets and shoot Joker instead of Batman. That's why he was both laughing and crying: Joker had just told him "That's not funny, kid," and Neo-Joker was thinking "Oh yes, it is!" while Tim Drake was thinking "[[HeelRealization I've failed you, Batman]]: I couldn't stop myself from killing." That's also why he took his mandatory retirement from being Robin better than might be expected, and hated to be reminded of his costumed days forever afterward.

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[[WMG:Neo-Joker is actually the one who pulled the trigger on Joker.]]
Considering that no matter how carefully he was crafted, the mind of the Joker installed in Tim Drake is a ''copy'' of the original, it stands to reason that this copy of Joker (hereafter Neo-Joker) was already at work in the beginning, and that it was mostly his personality in control when he was obeying Joker and Harley Quinn. In the climactic moment when Joker ordered him to shoot Batman, Tim Drake ''was'' struggling with Neo-Joker for control, but didn't have the force of will to keep him from pulling the trigger. What happened next was a snap-decision compromise between them:
* Neo-Joker suddenly realized that the original of which he was a copy was, after all, getting a bit long in the tooth, and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he didn't need him anymore]].
* Neo-Joker also realized that with his original version still around, he would always be in his shadow, and didn't appreciate being a subordinate in a rivalry with his other self; as far as he was concerned, [[ICanRuleAlone there could only be one Joker]].
* Being an ''exact'' copy, Neo-Joker inherited all of the original Joker's psychopathic sense of BlackComedy, his cruelty, and his extreme disloyalty to everyone: from his perspective, the thought of killing his mental "father" might actually be hilarious.
* Tim Drake is not entirely guiltless even so, because he never entirely saw eye-to-eye with Batman on that whole ThouShaltNotKill rule of his, particularly after Clayface murdered his young lady friend by reabsorbing her. Watching the Joker laugh at what he thought was Batman's pending doom was enough to [[BatmanGrabsAGun push him over the edge at last]].
Thus, at the last moment, Tim Drake persuaded Neo-Joker to switch targets and shoot Joker instead of Batman.

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