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* [[spoiler: WordOfGod suggests Gabby's days may be numbered, and that she may not be a long-term fixture in the book.]]
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**Jossed. Gabby will survive long enough to carry over to the succeeding 2018 X-23 series, and is now an official [[ComicBook.XMenRed X-Man]].
**Jossed. Gabby will survive long enough to carry over to the succeeding 2018 X-23 series, and is now an official [[ComicBook.XMenRed X-Man]].
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* Confirmed.
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[[WMG:Gabby will have a FaceHeelTurn.]]
''All-New Wolverine'' will be Gabby's StartOfDarkness. The entire point of developing the close big/little sister relationship is to make Gabby going bad even more personal and painful, especially in light of Old Man Logan's warnings about his future.
[[WMG:Gabby will have a FaceHeelTurn.]]
''All-New Wolverine'' will be Gabby's StartOfDarkness. The entire point of developing the close big/little sister relationship is to make Gabby going bad even more personal and painful, especially in light of Old Man Logan's warnings about his future.
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** Gabby dying during Civil War II has been {{Jossed}}, as she survives the arc and reveals her HealingFactor. The "dark tragedy" in "Enemy of the State II" involved Kimura using the trigger scent to make her wipe out a town. [[spoiler:Which she didn't actually do, ''snikting'' herself in the head before she fell under the effects.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die. Issue 12 reveals she had a healing factor all along, anyway, so was never in any ''real'' danger.]]
** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die. Issue 12 reveals she had a healing factor all along, anyway, so was never in any ''real'' danger.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die. Issue 12 reveals she had a healing factor all along, anyway, so was never in any ''real'' danger.]]
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** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die. Issue 12 reveals she had a healing factor all along, anyway, so was never in any ''real'' danger.]]]]
[[WMG:Logan will come back one way or another.]]
Pretty much self-explanatory.
[[WMG:Logan will come back one way or another.]]
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* Seems this may have been at least partially {{Jossed}} by the announcement at SDCC that the next arc after ''Civil War'' will be a spiritual sequel to ''Wolverine: Enemy Of The State''. [[spoiler: The tragedy above appears to be that Laura is controlled into murdering innocent people, and is out to [[ClearMyName clear her name]] and find out who was truly responsible.]]
** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die.]]
** [[spoiler: Fully jossed by a preview for issue 13, which reveals Gabby doesn't even die.]]
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* [[spoiler: WordOfGod suggests Gabby's days may be numbered, and that she may not be a long-term fixture in the book.]]
* Seems this may have been at least partially {{Jossed}} by the announcement at SDCC that the next arc after ''Civil War'' will be a spiritual sequel to ''Wolverine: Enemy Of The State''. [[spoiler: The tragedy above appears to be that Laura is controlled into murdering innocent people, and is out to [[ClearMyName clear her name]] and find out who was truly responsible.]]
* Seems this may have been at least partially {{Jossed}} by the announcement at SDCC that the next arc after ''Civil War'' will be a spiritual sequel to ''Wolverine: Enemy Of The State''. [[spoiler: The tragedy above appears to be that Laura is controlled into murdering innocent people, and is out to [[ClearMyName clear her name]] and find out who was truly responsible.]]
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* [[spoiler: Logan tried to warn Laura, but she refused to listen. She attempted to brush it off as not being the same universe, so just because it happened in ''his'' doesn't mean it will happen in ''hers''. Laura has also built her life around [[ScrewDestiny screwing destiny]] and forging her own path]], and wants Gabby to be able to do the same. Laura stands to suffer tremendously for failing to listen to his warning, and may be forced to kill Gabby as a result.]]
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* [[spoiler: Logan tried to warn Laura, but she refused to listen. She attempted to brush it off as not being the same universe, so just because it happened in ''his'' doesn't mean it will happen in ''hers''. Laura has also built her life around [[ScrewDestiny screwing destiny]] and forging her own path]], path, and wants Gabby to be able to do the same. Laura stands to suffer tremendously for failing to listen to his warning, and may be forced to kill Gabby as a result.]]
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[WMG:Laura will have to kill Gabby]]
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Captain Mooney isn't dead. Considering DeathIsCheap in the Marvel Universe even when they ''do'' show the body, the fact that not only is Mooney KilledOffScreen, but they never show his corpse afterwards, means the entire thing is a scam. Bellona only wanted Gabby to ''think'' she killed Mooney. In fact, Mooney is going to be revealed as the means by which Kimura actually freed the Sisters: either he was a mole and has been working for the Facility the entire time, or Kimura paid him off with a better job offer than what he was getting from Chandler. Although Gabby knew part of the plan meant Bellona and Zelda turning themselves in to Kimura, they kept Mooney's role from Gabby, knowing she would object to working with him. Mooney's actions in pursuit of the girls were all a part of a BatmanGambit set up by Kimura to manipulate Laura into helping them take down Chandler.
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Captain Mooney isn't dead. Considering DeathIsCheap in the Marvel Universe even when they ''do'' show the body, the fact that not only is Mooney KilledOffScreen, but they never show his corpse afterwards, means the entire thing is a scam. Bellona only wanted Gabby to ''think'' she killed Mooney. In fact, Mooney is going to be revealed as the means by which Kimura actually freed the Sisters: either he was a mole and has been working for the Facility the entire time, or Kimura paid him off with a better job offer than what he was getting from Chandler. Although Gabby knew part of the plan meant Bellona and Zelda turning themselves in to Kimura, they kept Mooney's role from Gabby, knowing she would object to working with him. Mooney's actions in pursuit of the girls were all a part of a BatmanGambit set up by Kimura to manipulate Laura into helping them take down Chandler.Chandler.
[WMG:Laura will have to kill Gabby]]
Laura's life is one long stretch of heartbreak and hardship. What few moments of happiness she can find are generally short-lived and end tragically. Just as she was already forced to kill her own mother, events will conspire to put her in a position where she kills her own ''sister''. I've got a bad feeling about this, and I think there's plenty of support in the books:
* [[spoiler: Gabby existed in Old Man Logan's timeline, and it's heavily implied that things weren't pretty. He knows that she's hiding something from Laura based on his experiences with "his" Gabby, and pointedly asks if Gabby intends to hurt her. This suggests that Gabby may have hurt or even killed Laura in his universe.]]
* [[spoiler: Logan tried to warn Laura, but she refused to listen. She attempted to brush it off as not being the same universe, so just because it happened in ''his'' doesn't mean it will happen in ''hers''. Laura has also built her life around [[ScrewDestiny screwing destiny]] and forging her own path]], and wants Gabby to be able to do the same. Laura stands to suffer tremendously for failing to listen to his warning, and may be forced to kill Gabby as a result.]]
* [[spoiler: The solicits for the vol 3 trade paperback states that Laura had to kill again because of a dark tragedy. Gabby's death certainly fits the definition of "dark tragedy," and she's a major enough character in the book for it to provide a significant punch to the reader.]]
* [[spoiler: WordOfGod suggests Gabby's days may be numbered, and that she may not be a long-term fixture in the book.]]
[WMG:Laura will have to kill Gabby]]
Laura's life is one long stretch of heartbreak and hardship. What few moments of happiness she can find are generally short-lived and end tragically. Just as she was already forced to kill her own mother, events will conspire to put her in a position where she kills her own ''sister''. I've got a bad feeling about this, and I think there's plenty of support in the books:
* [[spoiler: Gabby existed in Old Man Logan's timeline, and it's heavily implied that things weren't pretty. He knows that she's hiding something from Laura based on his experiences with "his" Gabby, and pointedly asks if Gabby intends to hurt her. This suggests that Gabby may have hurt or even killed Laura in his universe.]]
* [[spoiler: Logan tried to warn Laura, but she refused to listen. She attempted to brush it off as not being the same universe, so just because it happened in ''his'' doesn't mean it will happen in ''hers''. Laura has also built her life around [[ScrewDestiny screwing destiny]] and forging her own path]], and wants Gabby to be able to do the same. Laura stands to suffer tremendously for failing to listen to his warning, and may be forced to kill Gabby as a result.]]
* [[spoiler: The solicits for the vol 3 trade paperback states that Laura had to kill again because of a dark tragedy. Gabby's death certainly fits the definition of "dark tragedy," and she's a major enough character in the book for it to provide a significant punch to the reader.]]
* [[spoiler: WordOfGod suggests Gabby's days may be numbered, and that she may not be a long-term fixture in the book.]]
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[[WMG:Where did Alchemax Genetics get Laura's genetic material?]]
Alchemax Genetics was able to create ten clones of Laura. Certainly nothing new considering the Facility tried to do the same thing. However the entire reason the Facility has expended so much effort attempting to get her ''back'' is because she destroyed all materials and research that Rice used to create the additional clones in ''Innocence Lost''.
However there ''is'' one character known to have access to some of those materials: The Hooded Woman from "Collision" and "Touching Darkness." She was already experimenting with the trigger scent, and sold Alchemax the samples used to create the Sisters, if she wasn't a part of the project herself.
* Issue 6 of ''All-New Wolverine'' indicates that Alchemax stole their research from the Facility.
* True, but this is also Kimura we're talking about, who sees anything and everything X-23 as her personal property. She even blamed the X-Men for "stealing" her, so it's not out of character for someone else to have stolen the materials and sold it to Alchemax Genetics, and for Kimura to say ''AG'' stole it. And I think it was understood that the materials originally belonged to the Facility, anyway, so this doesn't really clarify much.
[[WMG:Captain Mooney's Fate]]
Captain Mooney isn't dead. Considering DeathIsCheap in the Marvel Universe even when they ''do'' show the body, the fact that not only is Mooney KilledOffScreen, but they never show his corpse afterwards, means the entire thing is a scam. Bellona only wanted Gabby to ''think'' she killed Mooney. In fact, Mooney is going to be revealed as the means by which Kimura actually freed the Sisters: either he was a mole and has been working for the Facility the entire time, or Kimura paid him off with a better job offer than what he was getting from Chandler. Although Gabby knew part of the plan meant Bellona and Zelda turning themselves in to Kimura, they kept Mooney's role from Gabby, knowing she would object to working with him. Mooney's actions in pursuit of the girls were all a part of a BatmanGambit set up by Kimura to manipulate Laura into helping them take down Chandler.
Alchemax Genetics was able to create ten clones of Laura. Certainly nothing new considering the Facility tried to do the same thing. However the entire reason the Facility has expended so much effort attempting to get her ''back'' is because she destroyed all materials and research that Rice used to create the additional clones in ''Innocence Lost''.
However there ''is'' one character known to have access to some of those materials: The Hooded Woman from "Collision" and "Touching Darkness." She was already experimenting with the trigger scent, and sold Alchemax the samples used to create the Sisters, if she wasn't a part of the project herself.
* Issue 6 of ''All-New Wolverine'' indicates that Alchemax stole their research from the Facility.
* True, but this is also Kimura we're talking about, who sees anything and everything X-23 as her personal property. She even blamed the X-Men for "stealing" her, so it's not out of character for someone else to have stolen the materials and sold it to Alchemax Genetics, and for Kimura to say ''AG'' stole it. And I think it was understood that the materials originally belonged to the Facility, anyway, so this doesn't really clarify much.
[[WMG:Captain Mooney's Fate]]
Captain Mooney isn't dead. Considering DeathIsCheap in the Marvel Universe even when they ''do'' show the body, the fact that not only is Mooney KilledOffScreen, but they never show his corpse afterwards, means the entire thing is a scam. Bellona only wanted Gabby to ''think'' she killed Mooney. In fact, Mooney is going to be revealed as the means by which Kimura actually freed the Sisters: either he was a mole and has been working for the Facility the entire time, or Kimura paid him off with a better job offer than what he was getting from Chandler. Although Gabby knew part of the plan meant Bellona and Zelda turning themselves in to Kimura, they kept Mooney's role from Gabby, knowing she would object to working with him. Mooney's actions in pursuit of the girls were all a part of a BatmanGambit set up by Kimura to manipulate Laura into helping them take down Chandler.
