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* ShoutOut: Among those mentioned under NoCelebritiesWereHarmed, Cheritz made a few shout outs to other games, especially their own. The player can mention VisualNovel/{{Nameless}} to the Indie Game Creator, and the second Secret Ending contains a flashback to Seven reading the story of [[spoiler:the wizard from VideoGame/{{Dandelion}}]] to his brother when they were young. Zen has also been cast in a stage production of "[[BlandNameProduct Tandelion]]", and posts a photo of himself in a black wig and [[CatBoy Jisoo]]'s outfit.

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* ShoutOut: Among those mentioned under NoCelebritiesWereHarmed, Cheritz made a few shout outs to other games, especially their own. The player can mention VisualNovel/{{Nameless}} to the Indie Game Creator, and the second Secret Ending contains a flashback to Seven reading the story of [[spoiler:the wizard from VideoGame/{{Dandelion}}]] to his brother when they were young. Zen has also been gets cast as the lead in a stage production of "[[BlandNameProduct Tandelion]]", Tenderlion]]", and posts a photo of himself in a black wig and [[CatBoy Jisoo]]'s outfit.



** V's light blue hair is natural, judging by his eyebrows [[spoiler:and [=CGs=] of his mother]].

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** Another Story confirms that V's light blue hair is natural, judging by natural and that he inherited the trait from his eyebrows [[spoiler:and [=CGs=] of his mother]].mother.

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The Spook fits the agency better, Unperson is erasure as punishment; Loss Of Identity fits Saeran more specifically


* DeathOfPersonality: [[spoiler:What Rika did to Saeran when she brainwashed him. She convinced him that the softer aspects of his personality were "[[SplitPersonality Ray]]", and only his anger and resentment were the real Saeran]].



* LossOfIdentity: [[spoiler:What Rika did to Saeran when she brainwashed him. She convinced him that the softer aspects of his personality were "[[SplitPersonality Ray]]", and only his anger and resentment were the real Saeran]].



* TheSpook: All employees of the agency where [[spoiler:Seven and Vanderwood]] work have had their prior identities completely erased from record and no longer use their birth names. Because of the illegal nature of their activity, the agents need to be untraceable. [[spoiler:Seven joined them largely because he and Saeran needed to disappear (and he needed income); while he was at the agency, V and Rika hid Saeran from their father]].



* {{Unperson}}: All employees of the agency where [[spoiler:Seven and Vanderwood]] work have had their prior identities completely erased from record and no longer use their birth names. Because of the illegal nature of their activity, the agents need to be untraceable. [[spoiler:Seven joined them largely because he needed income and he and Saeran needed to disappear; while he was at the agency, V and Rika hid Saeran from their father]].

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Unperson trope does not fit these examples, refers to a person's existence being covered up


* DeathOfPersonality: [[spoiler:What Rika did to Saeran when she brainwashed him. She convinced him that the softer aspects of his personality were "[[SplitPersonality Ray]]", and only his anger and resentment were the real Saeran]].



* {{Unperson}}:
** In V's route, [[spoiler:Ray hacks into the messenger and begins removing the RFA. The first person to fall victim to this is Jumin -- Yoosung suddenly mentions he can't call him, and when you try calling him after the conversation, you can't. Moreover, all the phone calls he missed from you are deleted from your log. Fortunately, you can call him again after the next conversation, but by the 7th Day, Ray takes over the messenger completely and removes Jumin, Zen, Yoosung, and Jaehee's profiles. You can also no longer call them -- if you try, you only get sent to voice mail that's interspersed with static.]]
** [[spoiler:What Rika did to Saeran. To have him be fully obedient to her as a minion, Rika brainwashed him to thinking that his real sweet personality is a weak one with the violent anger resentment that is Unknown is the real Saeran]].

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* {{Unperson}}:
** In V's route, [[spoiler:Ray hacks into
{{Unperson}}: All employees of the messenger agency where [[spoiler:Seven and begins removing the RFA. The first person to fall victim to this is Jumin -- Yoosung suddenly mentions he can't call him, and when you try calling him after the conversation, you can't. Moreover, all the phone calls he missed from you are deleted from your log. Fortunately, you can call him again after the next conversation, but by the 7th Day, Ray takes over the messenger Vanderwood]] work have had their prior identities completely erased from record and removes Jumin, Zen, Yoosung, and Jaehee's profiles. You can also no longer call use their birth names. Because of the illegal nature of their activity, the agents need to be untraceable. [[spoiler:Seven joined them -- if you try, you only get sent largely because he needed income and he and Saeran needed to voice mail that's interspersed with static.]]
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disappear; while he was at the agency, V and Rika did to Saeran. To have him be fully obedient to her as a minion, Rika brainwashed him to thinking that his real sweet personality is a weak one with the violent anger resentment that is Unknown is the real Saeran]].hid Saeran from their father]].
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* {{Retcon}}: V's character info page from the RFA VIP package states that his family consists of "mother, father, and sister, all currently living abroad". His route reveals that his parents split up shortly after he was born and that his mother died years ago. A sister is [[RetGone never mentioned]].

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* {{Retcon}}: V's character info page from the RFA VIP package states that his family consists of "mother, father, and sister, all currently living abroad". His route reveals that his parents split up shortly after he was born and that his mother died years ago. A sister is [[RetGone never mentioned]].mentioned in-game, but the "scrapbook" that comes with the Mint Eye Believer package contains a family photo featuring a young girl standing between Mr. Kim and his second wife.



* ShoutOut: Among those mentioned under NoCelebritiesWereHarmed, Cheritz made a few shout outs to other games, especially their own. The player can mention VisualNovel/{{Nameless}} to the Indie Game Creator and in the Secret Ending, we find that Seven pretty much reads the story of [[spoiler: the wizard from VideoGame/{{Dandelion}}]].

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* ShoutOut: Among those mentioned under NoCelebritiesWereHarmed, Cheritz made a few shout outs to other games, especially their own. The player can mention VisualNovel/{{Nameless}} to the Indie Game Creator Creator, and in the second Secret Ending, we find that Ending contains a flashback to Seven pretty much reads reading the story of [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the wizard from VideoGame/{{Dandelion}}]].VideoGame/{{Dandelion}}]] to his brother when they were young. Zen has also been cast in a stage production of "[[BlandNameProduct Tandelion]]", and posts a photo of himself in a black wig and [[CatBoy Jisoo]]'s outfit.



** The first scene of V and Ray's route is only a month after Rika's death, but the actual events of the route take place six months later.

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** The first scene of V and Ray's route "Another Story" is only a month after Rika's death, but the actual events of the route take place six months later.



* TruthInTelevision: In Deep Story's Bad Ending, Seven is seen making Honey Butter Chips. In real life, since these chips are rare, a lot of people just end up making them themsleves.

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* TruthInTelevision: In Deep Story's Bad Ending, Seven is seen making Honey Butter Chips. In real life, since these chips are rare, a lot of people just end up making them themsleves.themselves.
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** To get to Ray's route, you have to [[spoiler:doubt on V's capabilities and generally be mean to him while also be friendly and caring to Ray]].

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** In the good ending of Ray's route,[[spoiler:Saeran left Mint Eye with the protagonist together and his father's attempted kidnapping of Saeyoung was exposed to public, depriving him of a chance at politics. But Saeyoung and Vanderwood is missing and V stayed in Mint Eye for Rika in exchange of Saeran's freedom, though this time, to foster a much healthier relationship with Rika. But even so, Saeran has hope that he can find Saeyoung again]].

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** In the good ending of Ray's route,[[spoiler:Saeran left Mint Eye with the protagonist together and his father's attempted kidnapping of Saeyoung was exposed to public, depriving him of a chance at politics. But Saeyoung and Vanderwood is missing and V stayed in Mint Eye for Rika in exchange of Saeran's freedom, though this time, to foster a much healthier relationship with Rika.freedom. But even so, Saeran has hope that he can find Saeyoung again]].



* EverybodyLives: [[spoiler:At least in the good ending of Ray's route. No one from the cast died along the way to Ray's good ending]].



* {{Unperson}}: In V's route, [[spoiler:Ray hacks into the messenger and begins removing the RFA. The first person to fall victim to this is Jumin -- Yoosung suddenly mentions he can't call him, and when you try calling him after the conversation, you can't. Moreover, all the phone calls he missed from you are deleted from your log. Fortunately, you can call him again after the next conversation, but by the 7th Day, Ray takes over the messenger completely and removes Jumin, Zen, Yoosung, and Jaehee's profiles. You can also no longer call them -- if you try, you only get sent to voice mail that's interspersed with static.]]

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* {{Unperson}}: {{Unperson}}:
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In V's route, [[spoiler:Ray hacks into the messenger and begins removing the RFA. The first person to fall victim to this is Jumin -- Yoosung suddenly mentions he can't call him, and when you try calling him after the conversation, you can't. Moreover, all the phone calls he missed from you are deleted from your log. Fortunately, you can call him again after the next conversation, but by the 7th Day, Ray takes over the messenger completely and removes Jumin, Zen, Yoosung, and Jaehee's profiles. You can also no longer call them -- if you try, you only get sent to voice mail that's interspersed with static.]]]]
** [[spoiler:What Rika did to Saeran. To have him be fully obedient to her as a minion, Rika brainwashed him to thinking that his real sweet personality is a weak one with the violent anger resentment that is Unknown is the real Saeran]].

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* ArabOilSheikh: One of the guests you can invite at the party is this. [[PlayedForLaughs He also is pretty bad at English.]]

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* ArabOilSheikh: One of the guests you can invite at the party is this. [[PlayedForLaughs He also is He's pretty bad at English.]]


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* ShowerOfAngst: [[spoiler: Ray gets one at the start of his route.]]
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** The first scene of V's route is only a month after Rika's death, but the actual events of the route take place six months later.

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** The first scene of V's V and Ray's route is only a month after Rika's death, but the actual events of the route take place six months later.



* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven or stating that Rika's apartment has a bomb installed]] will garner very confused responses.

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* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's V and Ray's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven or stating that Rika's apartment has a bomb installed]] will garner very confused responses.
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Checked the endings again


** In the good ending of Ray's route,[[spoiler:Saeran left Mint Eye with the protagonist together and his father's attempted kidnapping of Saeyoung was exposed to public, depriving him of a chance at politics. But Saeyoung and Vanderwood is missing and V stayed in Mint Eye for Rika in exchange of Saeran's freedom. But even so, Saeran has hope that he can find Saeyoung again]].

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** In the good ending of Ray's route,[[spoiler:Saeran left Mint Eye with the protagonist together and his father's attempted kidnapping of Saeyoung was exposed to public, depriving him of a chance at politics. But Saeyoung and Vanderwood is missing and V stayed in Mint Eye for Rika in exchange of Saeran's freedom.freedom, though this time, to foster a much healthier relationship with Rika. But even so, Saeran has hope that he can find Saeyoung again]].
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* AscendedFridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Ray's route gives one in which Saeyoung and Saeran's father try to find traces of their existence by interrogating the RFA and later kidnap Saeyoung with Vanderwood in an attempt to get rid of Saeyoung from being a threat to his career]].


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** In the good ending of Ray's route,[[spoiler:Saeran left Mint Eye with the protagonist together and his father's attempted kidnapping of Saeyoung was exposed to public, depriving him of a chance at politics. But Saeyoung and Vanderwood is missing and V stayed in Mint Eye for Rika in exchange of Saeran's freedom. But even so, Saeran has hope that he can find Saeyoung again]].
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* AntiFrustrationFeatures: Latest updates have a feature where you spend 100 hourglasses to go straight to the route of your choice than to go through the common route all over again available for all three story modes.
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** Jaehee was [[spoiler:forced by Jumin to cut her long hair short to make her look less traditionally attractive, as a condition for her to get the job.]] In her Good Ending, [[spoiler:she lets it grow back into wavy locks that reach her shoulders.]]

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* {{Microtransactions}}: The game is free to play, passing in real time, though there is an in-game currency called hourglasses which can be either bought or slowly earned by playing. They are used to call the other characters, to redo missed chats, to unlock the next day early, and to unlock the Deep Route. Players can also buy calling cards, which allows them to call the characters without using hourglasses.

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* MenDontCry: Averted. Seven, V, and [[spoiler: Saeran]] all cry at various points, and it's never portrayed as a bad thing (considering what kind of things they go through, they have good reason to.) Yoosung cries the most of any of them, but then he's TheBabyOfTheBunch and not very manly.
* {{Microtransactions}}: The game is free to play, passing in real time, though there is an in-game currency called hourglasses which can be either bought or slowly earned by playing. They are used to call the other characters, to redo missed chats, to unlock the next day early, and to unlock the Deep Route.Route and DLC. Players can also buy calling cards, which allows them to call the characters without using hourglasses.
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** The pattern on Seven's glasses is inconsistent between [=CGs=] and his story mode character art; one of his spaceship thoughts [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this by saying he has three subtly different pairs of glasses.


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** In the Another Story common route, Zen auditions for a dramatic musical about a character with a SplitPersonality. Later, it's revealed that [[spoiler:this is the nature of the relationship between Ray and Unknown; rather than Saeran gradually becoming dangerously unhinged in the time period between Another Story and the main game, he switches between his gentle (yet obsessive) and dangerous personas when he takes the elixir Rika gives him.]]
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* {{Retcon}}: V's character info page from the RFA VIP package states that his family consists of "mother, father, and sister, all currently living abroad". His route reveals that his parents split up shortly after he was born and that his mother died years ago. A sister is [[RetGone never mentioned]].
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Since V's mother is now included in the character page, I deleted Broken Bird entry from here.


* BrokenBird: [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].

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* BrokenBird:
** V has isolated himself and become an ExtremeDoormat since Rika's death, frequently claiming that everything is his fault and that the other RFA members should hate him. [[spoiler:As it turns out, Rika isn't dead, but she ''is'' a viciously abusive and manipulative person who has caused major damage to V's psyche]]. His route gives more details, [[spoiler:including the circumstances of his mother's death. Convincing him that not everything is his fault and that he does deserve to be happy is a major part of getting his good ending]].
** [[spoiler:Rika. Mental illness that went untreated until her twenties had a massive impact on her early life, and her relationship with V was toxic for both of them. In V's route and the Secret Endings, she is shown to be a dangerously unstable and miserable person]].
** [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].

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* BrokenBird:
** V has isolated himself and become an ExtremeDoormat since Rika's death, frequently claiming that everything is his fault and that the other RFA members should hate him. [[spoiler:As it turns out, Rika isn't dead, but she ''is'' a viciously abusive and manipulative person who has caused major damage to V's psyche]]. His route gives more details, [[spoiler:including the circumstances of his mother's death. Convincing him that not everything is his fault and that he does deserve to be happy is a major part of getting his good ending]].
** [[spoiler:Rika. Mental illness that went untreated until her twenties had a massive impact on her early life, and her relationship with V was toxic for both of them. In V's route and the Secret Endings, she is shown to be a dangerously unstable and miserable person]].
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BrokenBird: [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].
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** [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].

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** [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].
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She mentioned that she had an accident during pregnancy.


** [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly after Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].

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** [[spoiler:[[PosthumousCharacter V's mother]] was a talented violinist who lost her hearing shortly after before Jihyun was born. The loss of her career sent her spiraling into a crippling depression that prevented her from interacting with people or caring for her child, which prompted her husband to leave her and take Jihyun with him. It took years for her to find her son again and start to build a relationship with him, but he remained emotionally distant and even occasionally hostile toward her. The flashbacks in which she appears are invariably heartbreaking]].
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* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven or suggesting that Rika's apartment has a bomb installed]] will garner very confused responses.

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* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven or suggesting stating that Rika's apartment has a bomb installed]] will garner very confused responses.
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* Fangirl: Jaehee for Zen. (And Jumin for Elizabeth the 3rd.)

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* Fangirl: {{Fangirl}}: Jaehee for Zen. (And Jumin for Elizabeth the 3rd.)
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** As a platonic example, Jaehee fangirling Zen. You can't really be more obvious than she is, but even after being told that yes, Jaehee is his fan, he still doesn't quite believe it.

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** As a platonic example, Jaehee fangirling over Zen. You can't really be more obvious than she is, but even after being told that yes, Jaehee is his fan, he still doesn't quite believe it.



* FanGirl: Jaehee for Zen. (And Jumin for Elizabeth the 3rd.)

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* FanGirl: Fangirl: Jaehee for Zen. (And Jumin for Elizabeth the 3rd.)
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He doesn't call it Mystic Messenger in-universe.


* GameWithinAGame: At first, Ray tries to convince you that what you're playing for him is Mystic Messenger, a phone app he developed, while you yourself are playing Mystic Messenger. Confused yet? He tells you that the RFA members are 'AIs' that he created and none of them exist. [[spoiler:You, of course, know better.]]

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* GameWithinAGame: At first, Ray tries to convince you that what you're playing for him is Mystic Messenger, a phone app he developed, while you yourself are playing Mystic Messenger. Confused yet? He tells you that the RFA members are 'AIs' that he created and none of them exist. [[spoiler:You, of course, know better.]]

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* CerebusSyndrome:
** Oh boy, the two Secret Endings...
** V's route. The entire thing. We get [[spoiler:many more disturbing details on Mint Eye, the protagonist gets trapped and almost drugged by said BrainwashedAndCrazy cult, V get severely injured and almost dies ''repeatedly'', Rika has a hysterical and violent VillainousBreakdown, Ray [[DrivenToSuicide commits suicide]]]]... yeah. That's on the way to a ''good'' ending.


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* DarkerAndEdgier:
** Oh boy, the two Secret Endings...
** V's route. The entire thing. We get [[spoiler:many more disturbing details on Mint Eye, the protagonist gets trapped and almost drugged by said BrainwashedAndCrazy cult, V gets severely injured and almost dies ''repeatedly'', Rika has a hysterical and violent VillainousBreakdown, Ray [[DrivenToSuicide commits suicide]]]]... yeah. That's on the way to a ''good'' ending.

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* CerebusSyndrome: Oh boy, the two Secret Storylines...

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* CerebusSyndrome: CerebusSyndrome:
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Oh boy, the two Secret Storylines...Endings...
** V's route. The entire thing. We get [[spoiler:many more disturbing details on Mint Eye, the protagonist gets trapped and almost drugged by said BrainwashedAndCrazy cult, V get severely injured and almost dies ''repeatedly'', Rika has a hysterical and violent VillainousBreakdown, Ray [[DrivenToSuicide commits suicide]]]]... yeah. That's on the way to a ''good'' ending.
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* MamaBear: [[spoiler:V's mother was a BrokenBird and didn't have the best relationship with her son (on account of his father keeping them apart and speaking of her very negatively), but she did not hesitate for an instant to run into a burning house to save him, [[HeroicSacrifice even at the cost of her own life]]]].
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* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven]] will garner very confused responses.

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* YouShouldntKnowThisAlready: V's route acts as an Alternate Timeline, since it deals with you appearing in the RFA a year and a half before you were meant to show up in the previous routes. Therefore, assuming that the player has played all of the other routes before, revealing that you already know some of the information about the members [[spoiler:such as dropping hints about Ray/Unknown being related to Seven]] Seven or suggesting that Rika's apartment has a bomb installed]] will garner very confused responses.
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** V says only someone Rika trusted knows the password to the apartment that the protagonist is in-- and this is ''after'' he says he's never been in her apartment. [[spoiler:This not only hints at Unknown's relationship to Rika, but also goes as far as to foreshadow V and Rika's relationship since V is basically saying Rika didn't trust him--and Secret 001 reveals she didn't, after he told Rika he didn't agree with her 'vision'.]]
** Before the prologue chat ends, Zen says he "had a good night dream last night" about you. [[spoiler:This is a hint at the prophetic dreams Zen will have during his own route and during Secret 002.]]

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** V says only someone Rika trusted knows the password to the apartment that the protagonist is in-- and this is ''after'' he says he's never been in her apartment. [[spoiler:This not only hints at Unknown's relationship to Rika, but also goes as far as to foreshadow V and Rika's relationship since V is basically saying Rika didn't trust him--and Secret 001 01 reveals she didn't, after he told Rika he didn't agree with her 'vision'.]]
** Before the prologue chat ends, Zen says he "had a good night dream last night" about you. [[spoiler:This is a hint at the prophetic dreams Zen will have during his own route and during Secret 002.02.]]
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They are 27 in Korean age, but in the international age they are 26.


** [[{{Bishonen}} Biseinen]]: [[TallDarkAndSnarky Jumin]] and [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair V]] are twenty-seven and have a more mature look.

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** [[{{Bishonen}} Biseinen]]: [[TallDarkAndSnarky Jumin]] and [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair V]] are twenty-seven twenty-six and have a more mature look.

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