History Trivia / SuperMarioLogan

* CreatorBreakdown: Logan after the late 2019 drama. In December 2019, rumors began circulating that Logan and Chilly had broken up (again) because Logan had cheated on her with Elaina while Chilly was in Tokyo with Tito. However, it was eventually revealed that Chilly cheated on Logan. The following months had revelation after revelation come out, all of which were taken with a grain of salt due to [[UnreliableNarrator most of the cast being notoriously unreliable in terms of transparency]]. The drama was referenced in multiple SML videos (one being a TakeThat at Chilly's second boyfriend; a character known as "Roy Gethard", a {{Jerkass}} who steals people's girlfriends [[ForTheEvulz just because]]). The whole situation took a toll on the cast and the fanbase as a whole, making it all the more exhausting and confusing when Logan and Chilly seemingly made up like nothing happened in a later Chilly video. By that point, practically everyone was ready to move on.

** In February 2021, Logan received a cease-and-desist letter from Nintendo, demanding that he stop using Nintendo characters in family-unfriendly situations. On February 13, 2021, after days of speculation by the fanbase over whether the letter was genuine, Logan confirmed that the letter did indeed come from Nintendo. Because of this, the Nintendo plushes could no longer be legally used and Logan was forced to wipe all traces of Nintendo and their characters from the SML brand, leaving only the older videos. This was taken further in March 2021, when a leaked chat between a fan and Logan on Instagram had him reveal that Nintendo also wanted all of Logan's channels taken down due to the older videos and their custom [=URL=]s, which can't be changed once they're set, still having Mario references in them. Following this, Logan moved activity once again and began remaking the older videos on a 4th SML channel. Not only that, Logan might retire in the future.

** In February 2021, Logan received a cease-and-desist letter from Nintendo, demanding that he stop using Nintendo characters in family-unfriendly situations. On February 13, 2021, after days of speculation by the fanbase over whether the letter was genuine, Logan confirmed that the letter did indeed come from Nintendo. Because of this, the Nintendo plushes could no longer be legally used and Logan was forced to wipe all traces of Nintendo and their characters from the SML brand, leaving only the older videos. This was taken further in March 2021, when a leaked chat between a fan and Logan on Instagram had him reveal that Nintendo also wanted all of Logan's channels taken down due to the older videos and their custom [=URL=]s, which can't be changed once they're set, still having Mario references in them. Following this, Logan moved activity once again and began remaking the older videos on a 4th SML channel.

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos (depending on who you ask, at least) noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason it became a [[BlackComedy black comedy]] [[SadistShow sadist show]], resulting in the web series its' infamous TooBleakStoppedCaring levels.

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos (depending on who you ask, at least) noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason it became a [[BlackComedy black comedy]] [[SadistShow sadist show]], resulting in TooBleakStoppedCaring.

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos (depending on who you ask, at least) noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason it became a [[BlackComedy black comedy]] [[SadistShow sadist show]], resulting in DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.

** Logan has stated at times about how he regrets adding Jeffy to the cast, even stating in a chat with dabhdude that he would like to go back in time in order to make sure he never creates Jeffy. Even worse, Logan knows he can't retire or kill him off due to the fact a large portion of his subscribers only watch his channel for Jeffy, and would unsubscribe, harass, and/or even send death threats if Jeffy was removed[[note]]Logan's address is public knowledge, as he often has fans visiting his house who appear in Chilly's vlogs, meaning that if Jeffy were removed, Logan and his family and friends would be at the mercy of the more extreme Jeffy fans[[/note]], and can't use older characters like Woody or Mama Luigi due to the videos starring them having a large dislike-to-like ratio simply because [[JustHereForGodzilla Jeffy never appeared]], meaning Logan is essentially [[MortonsFork forced to make Jeffy videos, even if it means recycling plots.]]

** After the massive backlash the human puppets received, Logan came to regret using them, shifted back to using the plushies, and eventually put the puppet videos into their own separate continuity. However, Logan can no longer use the ''Super Mario'' characters after Nintendo wrote a cease-and-desist to him forbidding the use of the characters. Whether or not this also means other pre-existing characters like Shrek or the Blue M&M will eventually be PutOnABus in the long term remains to be seen.
* CreatorBreakdown: Logan after the late 2019 drama. In December 2019, rumors began circulating that Logan and Chilly had broken up (again) because Logan had cheated on her with Elaina while Chilly was in Tokyo with Tito. However, it was eventually revealed that it was Chilly who cheated on Logan. According to Lovell, Chilly had stopped loving Logan several years prior, but stayed with him for the money, confirming the long-held theory that she was a GoldDigger (a few fans fear that, had Logan and Chilly actually gotten married, Chilly would quickly graduate to BlackWidow and feign grief); she attempted to cover it up by framing Logan, and Tito and Damaris blindly supported Chilly, suggesting the entire Jimenez family was in on a plot to mooch off Logan, especially when it came to light that Chilly was working in a gas station convenience store before meeting Logan. Lovell also stated that Chilly was largely responsible for the SeasonalRot in recent years, pushing Logan to make more Jeffy videos, and also being the reason for Rosalina's long absences, because she hates Elaina, even going as far as to lie to fans that Elaina was attending college in Massachussets, which in turn led to fears that Rosalina would be [[RetGone retconned out of existence]]; she also, for whatever reason, hated Lance, who was hardly in any vlogs outside of behind-the-scenes material. After the breakup, Logan found a new girlfriend named Adriana, and Chilly has since had two boyfriends (Roy and Marc) whom she dumped in short order, revealing a troubling pattern of serial gold-digging. The drama was referenced in multiple SML videos in early 2020, complete with a TakeThat at Chilly's second boyfriend (a character known as "Roy Gethard", a {{Jerkass}} who steals people's girlfriends [[ForTheEvulz just because]]). Afterwards, Rosalina began appearing more often, and controversially became a puppet in early May 2020. In addition, daily vlogs are now being posted by Lance, including behind-the-scenes content.
** Making it even more saddening is the fact that, while Logan has moved on, Chilly won't let it go, constantly attacking him on social media and generally acting like a SmugSnake. On October 11, 2020, she even went as far as to lie that Logan and Adriana had broken up, causing several fans to worry that Logan would succumb to StockholmSyndrome and go crawling back to Chilly, until other fans pointed out that Chilly cannot be trusted. Overall, the entire drama has been draining for both Logan and the entire SML fan community, though many fans have noted that the video quality went up after Chilly left, confirming that she was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on Logan's creative process.

* DevelopmentHell: "The [=SuperMarioLogan=] Movie" is infamous for this. It was first planned for April 2017, which didn't become reality beyond a heavily-panned April Fool's video puporting to be the movie, but actually being an hour-long video involving Jeffy watching paint dry. After that, numerous delays were made, usually pushing it to the next month after failing to hit the new date, all of which passed without the release of the movie. Logan at first confirmed it was taking longer to film, and the crew continued trying to update on progress, before ultimately going silent by mid-2018 onward. In 2020, during the drama with Chilly, she announced that the movie had been silently cancelled a year prior, but Logan avoided saying this because he was "too scared" and was hoping people would forget about it, a statement that was debunked by Logan not long after. To this day, the movie has no release date, though if the continued radio silence on Logan's part and the ongoing pandemic rendering filming a risk in itself are anything to go by, perhaps Chilly [[VaporWare wasn't too far off.]]

* IKnewIt: Some people correctly guessed what was behind the Secret Door: [[spoiler:the bodies of the people that were murdered in the house.]] Others believed that Mama Luigi was behind the door, waiting to take revenge for being removed from the videos.
* IconicSequelCharacter: Most of the current cast, main and minor, were introduced well after SML's older [=YouTube=] years (2007-2010). This is most apparent with Jeffy, who first showed up in 2016, yet has come to be SML's BreakoutCharacter.

** Both "Bowser's House Fire!" and "Mario's Family Moves Out!" were written due to Logan moving out from his family house to his own place, therefore he needed to explain the change of scenery.
*** The same can be said for "The Koopalings! Part 2", in which the titular characters end up wrecking the apartment where the main characters have been living (culminating in Wendy taking a chainsaw to the couch), and Goodman kicks Bowser and Mario out, due to Logan moving from the apartment to his own new house.
** Rosalina's appearances have been sporadic since ''Jeffy Has Kids!'' in 2017 because Elaina Keyes, who portrayed her, is away at college, and can only return during breaks. This has led fans to suggest that Logan either re-cast Chilly as Rosalina, or kill Rosalina off and give Peach a redemption arc.
*** However, it was later revealed that this was a lie, as Chilly forbade Elaina from entering the house because the former hated her. After Logan and Chilly broke up, Elaina and her characters (chiefly Rosalina and Sharon) returned full-time.

** In February 2021, Logan received a cease-and-desist letter from Nintendo, demanding that he stop using Nintendo characters in family-unfriendly situations. Because of this, the Nintendo plushes can no longer be legally used, and [=SuperBowserLogan=] was simply renamed "SML". Logan has yet to comment on the situation, as the behind-the-scenes video released for the first SML Movie after the cease-and-desist, "Rich Brooklyn Guy!", was mainly about the cast [[ItMakesSenseInContext marvelling over Reese's Puffs Big Puffs and how big they are compared to normal Reese's Puffs]].
*** A few hours after this revelation, though, speculation arose as to whether the letter was actually sent by Nintendo, or one of Logan's haters trying to ruin SML by using a legitimate-looking letter to scare Logan into only using the human puppets. The latter theory had some credence, following a hoax about an impoverished Venezuelan boy who made a cardboard Game Boy and was personally handed a cease-and-desist letter and a $200 million lawsuit by Nintendo of America CEO Doug Bowser. One fringe theory was that Chilly forged the letter as revenge for the 2019-2020 drama, namely having her main source of income (mooching off Logan) cut off. On February 13, 2021, however, a video was released on Lance's channel confirming that the letter did indeed come from Nintendo. A leaked version of the letter showed that they had accused Logan of using their characters to "promote hate speech".

* AbsenteeActor:
** Both Bowser and Junior are absent from Parts 5 and 6 of ''Chef Pee Pee Quits!''.
** Jeffy is absent from quite a small chunk of videos, including ''Black Yoshi's Blank Check!'', ''Black Yoshi The Assistant!'', ''Toad's Mistake!'', ''Attack of the Killer Shrimp!'' and ''The Rings!''. Coincidental when you consider the fact that Jeffy rarely gets any absence following his reintroduction in ''Bowser Junior's Game Night 3'', and in the case that he does, most Jeffy haters will be met with complete relief.
*** In the case of ''Toad's Mistake!'', it was loathed by several fans who [[JustHereForGodzilla only came to the channel for Jeffy]] -- most notably 7-to-12-year-old kids.

* BigNameFan:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/user/dabhdude dabhdude]] has been well-known in the community since 2014 for his reactions, in-debt explanations of the various eras of ''SML'', various streams and interviews with members of the ''SML'' cast, and his reuploading of deleted episodes. Helping is that he is friends with former ''SML'' actor Zeke and occasionally has him on livestreams.
** [=GamecubeDude300=] was formerly the channel's most well-known reactor until 2017, where he stated he would be taking a break and doing less reactions to SML in his video issuing [[SeasonalRot some of its problems]], a big reason being how negative and [[BrokenBase divided]] the fanbase became and being accused of being the source of the [[TheScrappy Jeffy]] hatedom. This eventually escalated until personal incidents with Logan and Lovell ultimately convinced him to sever all ties with ''SML'' and delete his channel.

** After the massive backlash the human puppets received, Logan came to regret using them, shifted back to using the plushies, and eventually put the puppet videos into their own separate continuity. However, Logan can no longer use the ''Super Mario'' characters after Nintendo wrote a cease-and-desist to him forbidding the use of the characters. Whether or not this also means other pre-existing characters like Shrek or the Blue M&M will be PutOnABus in the long term remains to be seen.

** After the massive backlash the human puppets received, Logan came to regret using them, shifted back to using the plushies, and eventually put the puppet videos into their own separate continuity. However, Logan can no longer use the ''Super Mario'' characters after Nintendo wrote a cease-and-desist to him forbidding the use of the characters.

*** A few hours after this revelation, though, speculation arose as to whether the letter was actually sent by Nintendo, or one of Logan's haters trying to ruin SML by using a legitimate-looking letter to scare Logan into only using the human puppets. The latter theory has some credence, following a hoax about an impoverished Venezuelan boy who made a cardboard Game Boy and was personally handed a cease-and-desist letter and a $200 million lawsuit by Nintendo of America CEO Doug Bowser. One fringe theory is that Chilly forged the letter as revenge for the 2019-2020 drama, namely having her main source of income (mooching off Logan) cut off.

** In February 2021, Logan received a cease-and-desist letter from Nintendo, demanding that he stop using Nintendo characters in family-unfriendly situations. Because of this, the Nintendo plushes can no longer be legally used.
*** A few hours after this revelation, though, speculation arose as to whether the letter was actually sent by Nintendo, or one of Logan's haters trying to ruin SML by using a legitimate-looking letter to scare Logan into only using the human puppets.

*** Chilly hated Elaina and Lance and thus, they were both edited out of nearly every Chilly vlog they appeared in. Elaiina had it worse as she wasn't allowed to film with Logan if Chilly was present, had cameras placed all over the house to watch them whenever Chilly wasn't there, and was eventually kicked out of the house by Chilly, explaining Rosalina's long absences. Chilly even went as far as to lie that Elaina was attending college out-of-state. Once Chilly left, the former was allowed to come back as Rosalina and appear in the vlogs while the latter took over filming and uploading the vlogs on his channel.

** After the massive backlash the human puppets received, Logan came to regret using them, shifted back to using the plushies, and eventually put the puppet videos into their own separate continuity.

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos (depending on who you ask, at least) noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason for all the BlackComedy and DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
*** Chilly hated Elaina and Lance and thus, they were both edited out of nearly every Chilly vlog they appeared in. The former had it worse as she wasn't allowed to film with Logan if Chilly was present, had cameras placed all over the house to watch them whenever Chilly wasn't there, and was eventually kicked out of the house by Chilly, explaining Rosalina's long absences; Chilly even went as far as to lie that Elaina was attending college out-of-state. Once Chilly left, the former was allowed to come back as Rosalina and appear in the vlogs while the latter took over filming and uploading the vlogs on his channel.

** In July of 2018, Logan made a deal saying he would burn the Jeffy puppet if the main SML channel got its ads back. When the channel ''did'' get it back [[HopeSpot for awhile]], Logan ultimately went back on it, justifying it through [[ExactWords the specifics of the deal]][[note]] Logan said in his initial promise that he would burn Jeffy if his ads returned before August 1. And since the ads came back a month after that date, he chose not to do it.[[/note]], and making fun of the fans who thought they would really burn the puppet.

** Making it even more saddening is the fact that, while Logan has moved on, Chilly won't let it go, constantly attacking him on social media and generally acting like a SmugSnake. On October 11, 2020, she even went as far as to lie that Logan and Adriana had broken up, causing several fans to worry that Logan would succumb to StockholmSyndrome and go crawling back to Chilly, until other fans pointed out that Chilly cannot be trusted. Overall, the entire drama has been draining for both Logan and the entire SML fan community, though many fans have noted that the video quality went up after Chilly left, confirming that she was a [[ToxicFriendInfluece toxic influence]] on Logan's creative process.

* CreatorBreakdown: Logan after the late 2019 drama. In December 2019, rumors began circulating that Logan and Chilly had broken up (again) because Logan had cheated on her with Elaina while Chilly was in Tokyo with Tito. However, it was eventually revealed that it was Chilly who cheated on Logan. According to Lovell, Chilly had stopped loving Logan several years prior, but stayed with him for the money, confirming the long-held theory that she was a GoldDigger; she attempted to cover it up by framing Logan, and Tito and Damaris blindly supported Chilly, suggesting the entire Jimenez family was in on a plot to essentially mooch off Logan. Lovell also stated that Chilly was largely responsible for the SeasonalRot in recent years, pushing Logan to make more Jeffy videos, and also being the reason for Rosalina's long absences, because she hates Elaina. After the breakup, Logan found a new girlfriend named Adriana, and Chilly has since had two boyfriends whom she dumped in short order, revealing a troubling pattern of serial gold-digging. The drama was referenced in multiple SML videos in early 2020, complete with a TakeThat at Chilly's second boyfriend (known as "Roy Gethard", a {{Jerkass}} who steals people's girlfriends [[ForTheEvulz just because]]). Afterwards, Rosalina began appearing more often, and controversially became a puppet in early May 2020. In addition, daily vlogs are now being posted by Lance, including behind-the-scenes content.

* DevelopmentHell: "The [=SuperMarioLogan=] Movie" is infamous for this. It was first planned for April 2017, which didn't become reality. After that, numerous delays were made, usually pushing it to the next month after failing to hit the new date, all of which passed without the release of the movie. Logan at first confirmed it was taking longer to film, and the crew continued trying to update on progress, before ultimately going silent by mid-2018 onward. In 2020, during the drama with Chilly, she announced that the movie had been silently cancelled a year prior, but Logan avoided saying this because he was "too scared" and was hoping people would forget about it, a statement that was debunked by Logan not long after. To this day, the movie has no release date, though if the continued radio silence on Logan's part and the ongoing pandemic rendering filming a risk in itself are anything to go by, perhaps Chilly [[VaporWare wasn't too far off.]]

** Logan has stated at times about how he regrets adding Jeffy to the cast, even stating in a chat with dabhdude that he would like to go back in time in order to make sure he never creates Jeffy. Even worse, Logan knows he can't retire or kill him off due to the fact a large portion of his subscribers only watch his channel for Jeffy, and would unsubscribe, harass, and/or even send death threats if Jeffy was removed[[note]]Logan's address is public knowledge, as he often has fans visiting his house who appear in Chilly's vlogs, meaning that if Jeffy were removed, Logan and his family and friends would be at the mercy of the more extreme Jeffy fans[[/note]], and can't use older characters like Woody or Mama Luigi due to the videos starring them having a large dislike-to-like ratio simply because [[JustHereForGodzilla Jeffy never appeared]], meaning Logan is essentially forced to make Jeffy videos, even if it means recycling plots.

* DevelopmentHell: "The [=SuperMarioLogan=] Movie" is infamous for this. It was first planned for April 2017, which didn't become reality. After that, numerous delays were made, usually pushing it to the next month after failing to hit the new date, all of which passed without the release of the movie. Logan at first confirmed it was taking longer to film, and the crew continued trying to update on progress, before ultimately going silent by mid-2018 onward. In 2020, during the drama with Chilly, she announced that the movie had been silently cancelled a year prior, but Logan avoided saying this because he was "too scared" and was hoping people would forget about it, a statement that was debunked by Logan not long after. To this day, the movie has no release date and it's questionable if [[{{Vaporware}} it'll be released at all]].

** "Jeffy's Tantrum!". The video contains a scene where Jeffy [[DriventoSuicide attempts to hang himself]]. While this is usual SML humor, a British mother complained to the media that her child attempted to imitate this scene with a makeshift noose. This is arguably what started [[ScrewedByTheLawyers Logan's troubles with YouTube]]. Since the incident, the video has been deleted from the main channel and now reuploads and reactions are the only ways to see it.

** Its widely speculated that the reason Logan still used the human puppets after the massive negative reception they received is because the company that made them had him sign a contract promising to use them a certain number of times before certain dates.

** In July of 2018, Logan made a deal saying he would burn the Jeffy puppet if the main SML channel got its ads back. When the channel ''did'' get it back [[HopeSpot for awhile]], Logan ultimately went back on it, justifying it through [[ExactWords the specifics of the deal]], and making fun of the fans who thought they would really burn the puppet.

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason for all the BlackComedy and DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.

* BigNameFan: [[https://www.youtube.com/user/dabhdude dabhdude]] has been well-known in the community since 2014 for his reactions, in-debt explanations of the various eras of ''SML'', various streams and interviews with members of the ''SML'' cast, and his reuploading of deleted episodes. Helping is that he is friends with former ''SML'' actor Zeke and occasionally has him on livestreams.

* TooSoon: The original ending for "Bowser Junior's 10th Birthday!" had Junior burning the case of ''VideoGame/NickelodeonKartRacers'', but it was scrapped following the death of ''[=SpongeBob=] [=SquarePants=]'' creator Stephen Hillenburg.

** Parodied in "The Bake Sale", where Cody and Does Bad Things Guy switch between Lance and Chris three times during the same scene, much to Junior's annoyance.

* IKnewIt: Some people correctly guessed what was behind the Secret Door: [[spoiler:the bodies of the people that were murdered in the house.]]

*** She was the one who pushed Logan to make more Jeffy videos, despite his divisive reputation, making her in part responsible for the SeasonalRot of ''SML'' (along with younger fans pushing for more and more Jeffy videos and disliking videos starring older characters such as Woody and Mama Luigi, simply because they weren't Jeffy) and the driving force behind Jeffy becoming a BreakoutCharacter. Once Chilly left, the quality of videos noticeably went up, confirming what many SML Wiki users came to believe: that Chilly was a [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic influence]] on the channel, and was the reason for all the BlackComedy and AudienceInducedApathy.