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-->"I'm pretty sure Drake will survive (less sure than I was last week), but if he does...[[AndThenWhat what then?]] He puts out another 40 track album, his fans eat it up, and we just move on? And we're like 'Ha ha, remember when Kendrick called him a pedophile? Boom!'"

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-->"I'm pretty sure Drake will survive (less sure than I was last week), but if he does...[[AndThenWhat what then?]] He puts out another 40 track album, his fans eat it up, and we just move on? And we're like 'Ha ha, remember when Kendrick called him a pedophile? Boom!'"[[Series/TheOfficeUS Boom! Roasted!]]'"

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* When Todd discusses the feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, he admitted he was kind of rooting for Drake. Not because Drake deserved it, but because Drake was kind of the underdog in this beef and Todd tends to root for the underdog. But he can't deny that a lot of skeevy behavior on Drake's part is catching up with him, and the vitriol from both the industry and the public is not undeserved. Kendrick won the feud because people ''wanted'' him to win. [[EtTuBrute Even former collaborators and producers are dunking on Drake]] (including Future, [[WeUsedToBeFriends who recorded a whole damn album with him]]).
-->"I'm pretty sure Drake will survive (less sure than I was last week), but if he does...[[AndThenWhat what then?]] He puts out another 40 track album, his fans eat it up, and we just move on? And we're like 'Ha ha, remember when Kendrick called him a pedophile? Boom!'"
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-->'''Todd:''' I've always kind of struggled with Beyonce's emotional imperviousness. Beyonce's ''Lemonade'' was such a powerful album because it showed cracks in the armor for the first time. That album is about a lot of things, but as a concept, the hook was what happens when you're the baddest bitch in the universe and you get betrayed just like any other woman? What happens when you're literally Beyonce and this still happens to you? What happens when there's a trifling man who can't just be crushed like a bug? What happens when Queen Bee isn't offended [[DidYouThinkICantFeel but genuinely hurt]]? It was a fascinating position because she had never been there before.

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-->'''Todd:''' I've always kind of struggled with [[TheStoic Beyonce's emotional imperviousness.imperviousness]]. Beyonce's ''Lemonade'' was such a powerful album because it showed cracks in the armor for the first time. That album is about a lot of things, but as a concept, the hook was what was, "What happens when you're the baddest bitch in the universe and [[DentedIron you get betrayed just like any other woman? woman]]? What happens when you're literally Beyonce and this still happens to you? What happens when there's a trifling man who can't just be crushed like a bug? What happens when Queen Bee isn't offended [[DidYouThinkICantFeel but genuinely hurt]]? hurt]]?" It was a fascinating position because she had never been there before.
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* While he overall liked ''Cowboy Carter'', Todd is still very confused as to why Beyonce not only covered an extremely famous country song like "Jolene", but also changed the lyrics and included a reference to Becky with the Good Hair from ''Lemonade'', bringing up her and Jay-Z's marital strife from almost a decade prior. Why dig up that drama again?

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* While he overall liked ''Cowboy Carter'', Todd is still very confused as to why Beyonce not only covered an extremely famous country song like "Jolene", but also changed the lyrics and included a reference to [[ArchEnemy Becky with the Good Hair Hair]] from ''Lemonade'', bringing up her and Jay-Z's marital strife from almost a decade prior. Why dig up that drama again?
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* While he overall liked ''Cowboy Carter'', Todd is still very confused as to why Beyonce not only covered an extremely famous country song like "Jolene", but also changed the lyrics and included a reference to Becky with the Good Hair from ''Lemonade'', bringing up her and Jay-Z's marital strife from almost a decade prior. Why dig up that drama again?
-->'''Todd:''' I've always kind of struggled with Beyonce's emotional imperviousness. Beyonce's ''Lemonade'' was such a powerful album because it showed cracks in the armor for the first time. That album is about a lot of things, but as a concept, the hook was what happens when you're the baddest bitch in the universe and you get betrayed just like any other woman? What happens when you're literally Beyonce and this still happens to you? What happens when there's a trifling man who can't just be crushed like a bug? What happens when Queen Bee isn't offended [[DidYouThinkICantFeel but genuinely hurt]]? It was a fascinating position because she had never been there before.
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* The ''Cinemadonna'' episode on "Truth or Dare" is really not very sympathetic toward Music/{{Madonna}}, except for when Todd gets to the titular game, and Madonna is asked who has been the love of her life:

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* The ''Cinemadonna'' episode on "Truth the ''Truth or Dare" Dare'' documentary is really not very sympathetic toward Music/{{Madonna}}, except for when Todd gets to the titular game, and Madonna is asked who has been the love of her life:
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** That quote especially becomes HarsherInHindsight when [[RealitySubtext Cher and Gregg did do that]]. Their son Elijah grew up to become the frontman of the {{Industrial}} Rock band Deadsy, however extra harsh is that Elijah became a heroin addict [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior at age 11]] and wouldn't become clean and sober until 2008, mostly due to his abandonment issues from said parents.

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** That quote especially becomes HarsherInHindsight when [[RealitySubtext Cher and Gregg did do that]]. Their son Elijah grew up to become the frontman of the {{Industrial}} Rock IndustrialRock band Deadsy, Music/{{Deadsy}}, however extra harsh is that Elijah became a heroin addict [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior at age 11]] and wouldn't become clean and sober until 2008, mostly due to his abandonment issues from said parents.
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** That quote especially becomes HarsherInHindsight when [[RealitySubtext Cher and Gregg did do that]]. Their son Elijah grew up to become the frontman of Goth Rock band Deadsy, however extra harsh is that Elijah became a heroin addict [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior at age 11]] and wouldn't become clean and sober until 2008, mostly due to his abandonment issues from said parents.

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** That quote especially becomes HarsherInHindsight when [[RealitySubtext Cher and Gregg did do that]]. Their son Elijah grew up to become the frontman of Goth the {{Industrial}} Rock band Deadsy, however extra harsh is that Elijah became a heroin addict [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior at age 11]] and wouldn't become clean and sober until 2008, mostly due to his abandonment issues from said parents.
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* Music/FaithHill was coming off an album that went eight times platinum, and had every reason to believe that the follow-up, ''Cry'', would be a success as well. But a bunch of things beyond her control ending up conspiring against her: Country attempting to be more traditionalist in the wake of 9/11, a shift away from major female artists (Todd points out that Country stars now are aggressively male), and a shift away from the type of epic romantic balladry that Faith Hill was moving towards. That said, Faith's new direction also turned out some mediocre material that didn't seem to suit her. Todd suspects that radio stations gave the excuse that the album is "Not country enough" because they couldn't just come out and say they thought the album was ''bad''. Either way, it seemed to have affected her greatly, [[CreatorKiller because Faith Hill hasn't put out a new solo album of fresh material since 2005]].
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* Music/{{Oasis}}' ''Music/BeHereNow'' is not the most dramatic or unusual career-derailing album in the series, but it's still notable for being one of the [[OccamsRazor most straightforward]]. It wasn't a misguided attempt to try something new, or a desperate attempt to keep up with the times; for better or worse, it sounds like and is an Oasis album. The problems were more direct: during the production of the album, [[HostilityOnTheSet the band was totally dysfunctional and at each other's throats]] (''especially'' [[SiblingRivalry the Gallaghers themselves]]), [[MoneyDearBoy only doing it to keep making money]] and [[EverybodyMustGetStoned coked out of their damn minds]] the whole time. The result is a droning, painful, overlong album that [[CreatorBacklash Noel Gallagher himself has absolutely no time for]]. Worse still, while the public were not fond of it, [[CriticalDissonance the critics praised it lavishly and excessively]], as they had [[AndYouThoughtItWouldFail completely failed to predict the success of Oasis' earlier albums]] ''Definitely Maybe'' and ''What's the Story (Morning Glory)'' and [[ThisIsGoingToBeHuge just assumed this one would be just as successful]], only for it to fall flat and greatly damage Oasis' image as one of the decade-defining rock bands of the 90's.

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* Music/{{Oasis}}' ''Music/BeHereNow'' is not the most dramatic or unusual career-derailing album in the series, but it's still notable for being one of the [[OccamsRazor most straightforward]]. It wasn't a misguided attempt to try something new, or a desperate attempt to keep up with the times; for better or worse, it sounds like and is an Oasis album. The problems were more direct: during the production of the album, [[HostilityOnTheSet the band was totally dysfunctional and at each other's throats]] (''especially'' [[SiblingRivalry the Gallaghers themselves]]), [[MoneyDearBoy only doing it to keep making money]] and [[EverybodyMustGetStoned coked out of their damn minds]] the whole time. The result is a droning, painful, overlong album that [[CreatorBacklash Noel Gallagher himself has absolutely no time for]]. Worse still, while the public were not fond of it, [[CriticalDissonance the critics praised it lavishly and excessively]], as they had [[AndYouThoughtItWouldFail completely failed to predict the success of Oasis' earlier albums]] ''Definitely Maybe'' ''Music/DefinitelyMaybe'' and ''What's the Story (Morning Glory)'' ''Music/WhatsTheStoryMorningGlory'' and [[ThisIsGoingToBeHuge just assumed this one would be just as successful]], only for it to fall flat and greatly damage Oasis' image as one of the decade-defining rock bands of the 90's.
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** Todd notes that Gangster Rap, who's rise had been largely responsible for the decline of his image and popularity due to the massive transformation of the culture surrounding rap music, would decline as the dominant rap genre, with the deaths of Music/TheNotoriousBIG and Music/TupacShakur leading to everyone deciding things had escalated too much in the scene. Had Hammer simply stuck to his guns and what made him so popular to begin with, he may have weathered the storm and rose back into popularity. Especially since, as Todd mentions, his actual technical skills ''improved'' on ''Headhunter'' compared to his older music. Given that his music is [[VindicatedByHistory often fondly remembered these days]], one has to wonder WhatCouldHaveBeen had he not been so desperate to conform to everyone's expectations.
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-->'''Todd:''' Morgan, if you ''fucking'' embarrass me, I swear to God...

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-->'''Todd:''' Morgan, if you ''fucking'' embarrass me, me again, I swear to God...
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* Todd's saga with Morgan Wallen reached a bittersweet point come early 2024 where Todd ended up placing Wallen's "Man Made a Bar" on his "''Best'' of 2023" list. Todd appears ''very'' conflicted about his own opinion, genuinely liking the song and understanding that the fraught context surrounding Wallen's controversies -- for better and for worse -- [[CriticProof aren't definitive]], but still very guilty and bitter about saying anything positive about "the N-word guy".
-->'''Todd:''' Morgan, if you ''fucking'' embarrass me, I swear to God...
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* As Todd points out in the Music/RunDMC episode, D.M.C.'s lack of commitment or enthusiasm for ''Crown Royal'' were coupled with his greater unfulfilled ambitions for what the group could be. Already battling depression and substance abuse that had caused him to contract spasmodic dysphonia and had restricted his vocal range, D was thinking about the legacy of what he saw as all-time great artists like Dylan and Clapton, and, worried that Run-D.M.C. had reached their creative peak as a hip-hop group long ago, wanted to expand their sound into something rootsier. Rev. Run, by contrast, was very determined to ''not'' admit [[AudienceAlienatingEra that their best days were behind them]], chasing all the current trends that he could, and followed Clive Davis's directive to cram the album full of big guest stars on every track (some of whom were temporarily overruled by their own management out of fear the album would be a dud). While Jam Master Jay followed Run in this new direction, D -- both unable and unwilling to summon his enthusiastic older self -- sat out the entire project. The end result?

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* As Todd points out in the Music/RunDMC episode, D.M.C.'s lack of commitment or enthusiasm for ''Crown Royal'' were coupled with his greater unfulfilled ambitions for what the group could be. Already battling depression and substance abuse that had caused him to contract spasmodic dysphonia and had restricted his vocal range, D was thinking about the legacy of what he saw as all-time great artists like Dylan and Clapton, and, worried that Run-D.M.C. had reached their creative peak as a hip-hop group long ago, wanted to expand their sound into something rootsier. Rev. Run, by contrast, was very determined to ''not'' admit [[AudienceAlienatingEra that their best days were behind them]], chasing all the current trends that he could, and followed Clive Davis's directive to cram the album full of big guest stars on every track (some of whom were temporarily overruled by their own management out of fear the album would be a dud). While Jam Master Jay followed Run in this new direction, D -- both unable and unwilling to summon his enthusiastic older self -- sat out the entire project. The end result?result was an album that was dead on arrival; the fact that there was such a rift in the group meant that it was never going to end well.



* Todd is a proud Music/{{Nickelback}} hater, but even he expresses some sympathy that Nickelback is now arguably better known for being hated than for any of their music. He even admits that some jabs at them are really lazy, citing an episode of ''Only Murders in the Building'' that calls them a one-hit wonder (which is patently ''not'' true). But he posits that, ironically, Nickelback set up their own downfall. They dominated rock radio so much that, when rock audiences fractured and got into more niche sub-genres, there wasn't a mainstream infrastructure to support them anymore. And pop radio started ignoring them simply because tastes had changed, and Nickelback couldn't adapt with the times.
** Todd says he walked away from this having "More and less respect for Nickelback". They turned out to be more diverse than he gave them credit for, but he also had no emotional reaction at all to any of their songs because they clearly wrote them to have hits as opposed to expressing themselves artistically. He even cites an upcoming documentary about the band's hatedom, and critics saying it tells you nothing about the band you didn't already know. In the end, maybe Nickelback didn't care about being hated [[MoneyDearBoy 'cause they got paid either way]].

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* Todd is a proud Music/{{Nickelback}} hater, but even he expresses some sympathy that Nickelback is now arguably better known for being hated than for any of their music. He even admits that some jabs at them are really lazy, citing an episode of ''Only Murders in the Building'' that calls them Nickelback a one-hit wonder (which is patently ''not'' true).-- Todd notes that the problem with Nickelback was overexposure, not being a one-hit wonder. But he posits that, ironically, Nickelback set up their own downfall. They dominated rock radio so much that, when rock audiences fractured and got into more niche sub-genres, there wasn't a mainstream infrastructure to support them anymore. And pop radio started ignoring them simply because tastes had changed, and Nickelback couldn't adapt with the times.
** Todd says he walked away from this having "More "more and less respect for Nickelback".Nickelback" at the same time. They turned out to be more diverse than he gave them credit for, but he also had no emotional reaction at all to any of their songs because they clearly wrote them to have hits as opposed to expressing themselves artistically. He even cites an upcoming documentary about the band's hatedom, and critics saying it tells you nothing about the band you didn't already know. In the end, maybe Todd finishes off by saying "maybe Nickelback didn't care about being hated hated, [[MoneyDearBoy 'cause because they got paid either way]].way]]".

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