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** After you have Shamed him, his blood brothers will come after you to avenge him. If you decide to [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential shame]] them too to the point they become deranged, [[spoiler:Baz will have a similar MadnessMantra about "Brûz will be fine", while Gaz will suffer LossOfIdentity and think himself as Brûz]].
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** Even worse, [[spoiler: this event was likely ''the'' catalyst for the [[CycleOfRevenge centuries-long blood-feud between Dunland and Rohan,]] which ultimately resulted in Dunland's participation in the Battle of Helm's Deep. If it weren't for Sauron's influence, Dunland and Rohan might have been ''allies'' that whole time, sparing countless innocents on both sides.]]
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* One of the artifacts Talion finds is an old orc sword. Idril's narration says Orcs resided in Mordor long before even Sauron -- and wonders what the Orcs could be if they were a free people away from Sauron's influence.
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* One of the artifacts Talion finds is an old orc sword. Idril's narration says Orcs resided in Mordor long before even Sauron -- and wonders what the Orcs could be if they were a free people away from Sauron's influence.influence.
* An Orc becoming [[DespairEventHorizon Deranged]] can sometimes become this, with the Orc reduced to a permanent near bawling state. Especially heartbreaking if this Orc was a former ally who betrayed the player or a WorthyOpponent.
* An Orc becoming [[DespairEventHorizon Deranged]] can sometimes become this, with the Orc reduced to a permanent near bawling state. Especially heartbreaking if this Orc was a former ally who betrayed the player or a WorthyOpponent.
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. For a moment, he could only stare in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood, but then the Ring presumably fueled his blood-lust with grief, to the point where Helm slaughtered everyone else in the room the remorse only made him angrier and he started to murder everyone around him, including the Dunlending prince and even Rohirrim captains who tried to stop him]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by Siric, the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; [[UnwantedRescue his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm Helm]] to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. For a moment, he could only stare in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood, but then the Ring presumably fueled his blood-lust with grief, to the point where Helm slaughtered everyone else in the room the remorse only made him angrier and he started to murder everyone around him, room, including the Dunlending prince Siric and even Rohirrim captains who tried to stop him]].
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** And for an added level of PlayerPunch. [[spoiler: You can encounter Brûz again as a generic Captain. You can fight him to either kill him or break him again, but he has the "Death Defying" trait. When you're about to execute him, he'll go into the execution stance and shout "it's your fort!" Between his anguish, his accent, and the likely guilt you'll be feeling at the moment, it can sound more like he's saying [[YouBastard "it's your fault!"]] ]]
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** It's already bad but had you collected Gondorian artifacts [[spoiler: where Talion and Clebrimbor had friendly conversations over most of them it's heartbreaking to see Celebrimbor so cold he betrays the closest thing he had to a friend.]]
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, Ioreth's spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead as blood begins to flood down her front from her throat. His desperate [[PleaseDontLeaveMe pleading for her not to leave him again]] is truly heartbreaking.
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, Ioreth's spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead as blood begins to flood pours down her front from her throat. His desperate [[PleaseDontLeaveMe pleading for her not to leave him again]] is truly heartbreaking.heartbreaking as he desperately tries to reach out to Ioreth even as she fades away.
-->'''Ioreth''': The past is the past, nothing can be changed...You're too late. I'm already dead.
-->'''Talion''': ''[falling to his knees, sounding close to tears]'' No, no...no!
-->'''Ioreth''': The past is the past, nothing can be changed...You're too late. I'm already dead.
-->'''Talion''': ''[falling to his knees, sounding close to tears]'' No, no...no!
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood, the remorse only made him angrier and he started to murder everyone around him, an allied captain wanted to calm him down but helm just grabbed the captain's helmet and smashed the captain's face with it, when he was finally done, he was the only one alive]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring For a moment, he could only stare in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood, but then the Ring presumably fueled his blood-lust with grief, to the point where Helm slaughtered everyone else in the room the remorse only made him angrier and he started to murder everyone around him, an allied captain wanted to calm him down but helm just grabbed including the captain's helmet Dunlending prince and smashed the captain's face with it, when he was finally done, he was the only one alive]].even Rohirrim captains who tried to stop him]].
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead. His desperate [[PleaseDontLeaveMe pleading for her not to leave him again]] is truly heartbreaking.
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her Ioreth's spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead.dead as blood begins to flood down her front from her throat. His desperate [[PleaseDontLeaveMe pleading for her not to leave him again]] is truly heartbreaking.
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided IAmAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until [[PromotedToScapegoat he betrayed her.her to save his own skin]]. It's strongly implied that she [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided IAmAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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--> ''[[WorthIt My betrayal got to you, didn't it? Ahh, then I don't regret it.]]''
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* One of the artifacts Talion finds is an old orc sword. Idril's narration says Orcs resided in Mordor long before even Sauron -- and wonders what the Orcs could be if they were a free people away from Sauron's influence.
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--> ''[[FamousLastWords Should have known better than to betray you...boss.]]''
** Others who betray you will go the other way, saying that their betrayal really got to you to the point you kill them.
--> ''[[WorthIt My betrayal got to you, didn't it? Ahh, then I don't regret it.]]''
** Others who betray you will go the other way, saying that their betrayal really got to you to the point you kill them.
--> ''[[WorthIt My betrayal got to you, didn't it? Ahh, then I don't regret it.]]''
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided IAmAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided IAmAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]]]
*On occasion, when you defeat an Uruk that betrays you, it will express regret for having done so when they are about to be executed. Really, it's the sad look on their face before the end that will get you.
--> ''[[FamousLastWords Should have known better than to betray you...boss.]]''
*On occasion, when you defeat an Uruk that betrays you, it will express regret for having done so when they are about to be executed. Really, it's the sad look on their face before the end that will get you.
--> ''[[FamousLastWords Should have known better than to betray you...boss.]]''
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[JustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[JustWantToBeNormal [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wanted to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster IAmAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she wanted JustWantedToBeNormal, but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she [[JustWantToBeNormal just wanted JustWantedToBeNormal, to be normal]], but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Brûz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Brûz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Brûz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
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** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Brûz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Brûz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Brûz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she wanted JustWantedToBeNormal, but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
* Shelob's BackStory. [[spoiler: She was in a loving relationship with Sauron (in his Annatar guise), until he betrayed her. It's strongly implied that she wanted JustWantedToBeNormal, but when surrounded by soldiers, she decided LetMeBeAMonster and killed all those around her. When she meets Talion, it's obvious she ''wants'' to be a woman again, but will NeverBeHurtAgain.]]
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].blood, the remorse only made him angrier and he started to murder everyone around him, an allied captain wanted to calm him down but helm just grabbed the captain's helmet and smashed the captain's face with it, when he was finally done, he was the only one alive]].
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* The first time you use Shaming is [[spoiler: against Brûz for double-crossing you.]] When the dead is done you get to see him curled up on the ground, reduced to a broken, sobbing, and mumbling shell of himself. [[TheBrute Ranger]] will even [[EvenTheDogIsAshamed call you on what you did to him.]] And the worst part is [[spoiler: Brûz will never recover from it.]]
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* The first time you use Shaming is [[spoiler: against Brûz for double-crossing you.]] When the dead deed is done you get to see him curled up on the ground, reduced to a broken, sobbing, and mumbling shell of himself. [[TheBrute Ranger]] will even [[EvenTheDogIsAshamed call you on what you did to him.]] And the worst part is [[spoiler: Brûz will never recover from it.]]
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* It's pretty obvious that Talion is torn up when [[spoiler:Celebrimbor ''AND Edwinil'' ''AND'' Eltariel screw him over. He's basically been betrayed by his brother, and a "servant of the Light" HELPED.helped.]]
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead. His desperate [[PleaseDontLeaveMe pleading for her not to leave him again]] is truly heartbreaking.
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** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
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* The first time you use Shaming is [[spoiler: against Bruz Brûz for double-crossing you.]] When the dead is done you get to see him curled up on the ground, reduced to a broken, sobbing, and mumbling shell of himself. [[TheBrute Ranger]] will even [[EvenTheDogIsAshamed call you on what you did to him.]] And the worst part is [[spoiler: Bruz Brûz will never recover from it.]]
** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler:Bruz Brûz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz Brûz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz Brûz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler:
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** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you first seize the fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
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** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you first seize the first fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
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* It's pretty obvious that Talion is torn up when [[spoiler:Celebrimbor ''AND Edwinil'' screw him over. He's basically been betrayed by his brother, and a "servant of the Light" HELPED.]]
* The first time you use Shaming is [[spoiler: against Bruz for double-crossing you.]] When the dead is done you get to see him curled up on the ground, reduced to a broken, sobbing, and mumbling shell of himself. [[TheBrute Ranger]] will even [[EvenTheDogIsAshamed call you on what you did to him.]] And the worst part is [[spoiler: Bruz will never recover from it.]]
** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you first seize the fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
* The first time you use Shaming is [[spoiler: against Bruz for double-crossing you.]] When the dead is done you get to see him curled up on the ground, reduced to a broken, sobbing, and mumbling shell of himself. [[TheBrute Ranger]] will even [[EvenTheDogIsAshamed call you on what you did to him.]] And the worst part is [[spoiler: Bruz will never recover from it.]]
** Even worse is what lead to it. [[spoiler: Bruz gets into an argument with Ratbag when you first seize the fort, and Celebrimbor and Talion get so exasperated he denies them both the Overlord spot afterwards. This causes Bruz to become TheResenter, and his arguments with Talion escalate to the point he literally stabs him in the back. One petty moment led Bruz down a path of destruction of himself, and locked the player out of a lasting partnership with the most charismatic and bombastic EnsembleDarkhorse of the game.]]
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* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead.dead.
* It's pretty obvious that Talion is torn up when [[spoiler:Celebrimbor ''AND Edwinil'' screw him over. He's basically been betrayed by his brother, and a "servant of the Light" HELPED.]]
* It's pretty obvious that Talion is torn up when [[spoiler:Celebrimbor ''AND Edwinil'' screw him over. He's basically been betrayed by his brother, and a "servant of the Light" HELPED.]]
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-->'''Celebrimbor''': Of all the Nazgûl, his fall was most tragic.
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-->'''Celebrimbor''': Of all the Nazgûl, his fall was most tragic.tragic.
* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead.
* Talion is forced to relive his wife and son's death. When he recalls the "sneak up with flowers" with his wife, her spirit tells him none of it is real, and she is dead.
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were Talion has been hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[AnnoyingArrows Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[AnnoyingArrows [[HumanPincushion Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[AnnoyingArrows Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchaestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. [[spoiler: The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[AnnoyingArrows Fatally injured in an ambush]] orchaestrated orchestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].blood]].
-->'''Celebrimbor''': Of all the Nazgûl, his fall was most tragic.
-->'''Celebrimbor''': Of all the Nazgûl, his fall was most tragic.
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). Fatally injured in an ambush orchaestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption, refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). [[AnnoyingArrows Fatally injured in an ambush ambush]] orchaestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to the prince to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, [[BloodKnight his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge revenge]] [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption, corruption]], refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Monolith executive producer Mike Forgey [[http://www.develop-online.net/news/shadow-of-mordor-exec-producer-michael-forgey-passes-away/0217581 passed away]] from a rare cancer (glioblastoma) in 2016, after the developer had organized a [=#ForForgey=] donation drive to help him. In his honor, a new DLC will be released for ''Shadow of War'' focusing around a MysteriousStranger named Forthog, which was Forgey's nickname. 75% of the funds go to his family -- and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15muasKW58 trailer]] for the DLC is stirring and sad.
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* Monolith executive producer Mike Forgey [[http://www.develop-online.net/news/shadow-of-mordor-exec-producer-michael-forgey-passes-away/0217581 passed away]] from a rare cancer (glioblastoma) in 2016, after the developer had organized a [=#ForForgey=] donation drive to help him. In his honor, a new DLC will be released for ''Shadow of War'' focusing around a MysteriousStranger named Forthog, which was Forgey's nickname. 75% of the funds go to his family -- and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15muasKW58 trailer]] for the DLC is stirring and sad.sad.
* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). Fatally injured in an ambush orchaestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption, refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
* Mixed with a healthy dose of NightmareFuel is [[spoiler: the identity and revealed fate of one of the Kings of Men who became one of the Ringwraiths. The cutscene at the end of a mission to hunt one of the Nazgûl reveals the creature you were hunting was once Helm Hammerhand, a legendary king of Rohan (namesake of the fortress Helm's Deep). Fatally injured in an ambush orchaestrated by the prince of the neighbouring kingdom of Dunland, angered by Helm's refusal to wed his daughter to form an alliance, Sauron ([[BitchInSheepsClothing in the form of Annatar]]) and Celebrimbor came to Helm on his deathbed and gave him one of the Rings of Power, Sauron promising Helm it would grant him the power to [[PapaWolf ensure his daughter's safe return]]. Healed by the Ring, Helm and his army stormed Dunland; his daughter and her new husband tried to reason with Helm to prevent him starting war between Rohan and Dunland, but Helm, his rage, bloodlust and desire for revenge presumably exacerbated by the ring's corruption, refused to listen, and when his daughter tried to put herself between her father and her husband, [[OffingTheOffspring Helm killed her without a second thought]], [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone only realising what had happened afterwards]]. The final image is of him staring in horror at the reflection of himself in the spreading pool of his daughter's blood]].
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* Monolith executive producer Mike Forgey [[http://www.develop-online.net/news/shadow-of-mordor-exec-producer-michael-forgey-passes-away/0217581 passed away]] from a rare cancer (glioblastoma) in 2016, after the developer had organized a [=#ForForgey=] donation drive to help him. In his honor, a new DLC will be released for ''Shadow of War'' focusing around a MysteriousStranger named Forthog, which was Forgey's nickname. 75% of the funds go to his family -- and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15muasKW58 trailer]] for the DLC is stirring and sad.
