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* ''WebVideo/ChicagoByNightTheSacrifice'' by Klara Horskjær Herbøl

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* ''WebVideo/ChicagoByNightTheSacrifice'' ''Podcast/ChicagoByNightTheSacrifice'' by Klara Horskjær Herbøl
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* HunterOfTheirOwnKind: Some agencies in the Second Inquisition, such as FIRSTLIGHT and GRU-N58 have taken to recruiting ghouls, thinbloods, and occasionally full-fledged vampires into their ranks. N58 even has an entire project dedicated to training thinblooded commandos, the ZMEI Protocol. These commandos often diablerize their vampire targets to become more powerful themselves.
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** ''Forbidden Religions''




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* ''Blood Sigils''
* ''Bloodstained Love''


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** A {{downplayed|Trope}} example as the Anarchs used to be the default protagonist option but gradually faded from view. They have since been reimagined as the second most powerful sect, replacing the Sabbat, and are a serious threat to the Camarilla's existence.

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** A {{downplayed|Trope}} example as the Anarchs used to be the default protagonist option but gradually faded from view. They have since been reimagined as the second most powerful sect, replacing the Sabbat, and are more of a serious threat to the Camarilla's existence.existence than previous editions.



* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: Done ''twice'' by the Second Inquisition. The Second Inquisition managed to take out multiple targets in the early stage of their campaign. One of these was ''every vampire in London'' killed in the course of a few days, including Queen Anne and Monty Coven (who is actually the Methuselah Mithras). The second time was when they killed the Inner Council of the Tremere, who were composed of 4th and 5th generation vampires as well as potentially a 3rd in the basement.



** ''Humanity'''s intelligence community gets this as they manage to effectively put the vampire race on the backfoot after centuries, if not millennia, of being manipulated pawns.



** Humans get this with the Second Inquisition wiping out the vampire population of London, Venice, and the Inner Council of the Tremere.



* KilledOffForReal: Hardestadt the Younger, Jan Pieterzoon, Monty Coven, and Queen Anne of London have all been confirmed to have met the Final Death. Although in Pieterzoon's case it is unclear due to lack of evidence of his death and Theo Bell, the one who allegedly killed Jan, denies having done so.

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* KilledOffForReal: Hardestadt the Younger, Jan Pieterzoon, and Monty Coven, and Queen Anne of London Coven have all been confirmed to have met the Final Death. Although in Pieterzoon's case it is unclear due to lack of evidence of his death and Theo Bell, the one who allegedly killed Jan, denies having done so.



* NewMediaAreEvil: InUniverse. Due to the Second Inquisition happening as a result of [=SchreckNet=] getting compromised and leaking the existence of vampires to several government agencies, the Camarilla's elders have adopted this attitude towards pretty much every form of online communication, and as such strictly forbid any member of the Camarilla to use it under the threat of excommunication, and possibly even being subjected to a blood hunt if the communication is risky enough.



* ThePurge: The Second Inquisition is actively tracking Kindred globally and exterminating them. They have military-grade hardware, an unlimited budget, and the assistance of the Society of Leopold as well as the Catholic Church. {{Subverted|Trope}} in that not all of them want vampires to be destroyed and have many disparate factions.

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* ThePurge: The Second Inquisition is actively tracking Kindred globally and exterminating them. They have military-grade hardware, an unlimited budget, and the assistance of the Society of Leopold as well as the Catholic Church.globally. {{Subverted|Trope}} in that not all of them want vampires to be destroyed and have many disparate factions.



** Project: Twilight was previously depicted as something of a joke with the NSA compromised by multiple supernatural factions, the CIA completely in the dark, and the SAD being effective but outmatched. ''Project: Daylight'' is an InvincibleVillain as far as vampires are concerned.

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** Project: Twilight was previously depicted as something of a joke with the NSA compromised by multiple supernatural factions, the CIA completely in the dark, and the SAD being effective but outmatched. ''Project: Daylight'' is an InvincibleVillain as far as vampires are concerned.not this.



* VampireHunter: The new primary antagonist of the setting. Vampire Hunters are everywhere, but besides independent groups hunters, of which there still are a few, there are also the much more dangerous government-sanctioned ones operating under FIRSTLIGHT (although the vast majority of the grunts aren't aware that what they are hunting are vampires, or what FIRSTLIGHT even is). These include SEAL teams, SWAT teams, some special units within the regular police, FBI, Society of Leopold witch hunters, CIA black ops soldiers, and the NSA. That's just the American branch. The Society of Leopold also has been re-canonized so they have the backing of the Vatican itself to help with their efforts.



* VillainHasAPoint: Honestly, it's hard to argue the Second Inquisition is ''wrong'' to want to wipe out vampires. This is doubly true since the ability to be a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire has been drastically reduced.
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* MugglesDoItBetter: Individual humans, even groups of humans, are not much of a threat to a vampire. However, the Second Inquisition has drone strikes, squads of soldiers with automatic weapons with incendiary ammunition, and various other weapons that the average vampire struggles to fight against.



* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Technology has dramatically increased since the nineties. Government surveillance is everywhere. [[BreadEggsMilkSquick Oh, and the Sabbat were tearing up the streets of Washington D.C. with giant flesh monsters during the Clan Novels.]] Of course the government agencies of the world figured out vampires existed.
*** Not to mention, they had a website anyone could, and a few did, find by accident.
** All the impressive powers of Kindred mean absolutely nothing to drone strikes, missiles, global surveillance, and endless numbers of bodies on the ground.
** The constant treatment of the Brujah as the ButtMonkey of the Camarilla and their natural sympathy for Anarchs resulted in them leaving the Camarilla.
** The Sabbat has suffered the vast majority of casualties from the Second Inquisition. [[CaptainObvious Apparently murdering people in the streets and exalting in your undead status draws the attention of hunters.]]


* TechnologicallyBlindElders: A big reason why the Second Inquisition turned out so disastrously for vampire society. Amongst Kindred, leadership roles tend to be filled by older vampires, of which quite a few were turned back around the time when gas lamps were still a relatively new invention, horse-carts were still the normal mode of transportation in cities, and the quickest way of communicating with people on other continents was often to send mail by boat. And to make matters worse, vampires tend to be mentally "stuck" at the time they were turned, being ''very'' slow or even in some cases completely unable to grasp technological progression and changing social norms. The fact that would be ''extremely'' hard for a (relatively) tech-savvy younger vampire to convey the gravity of the situation that someone "hacked" your "online database" and "shared the information through the Internet" to these leaders, let alone even explain what these terms even mean in the first place, makes it understandable why they weren't really prepared when the first waves of FIRSTLIGHT's raids happened.
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There have been a lot of loophools for the technology ban.


* NewMediaAreEvil: InUniverse. Due to the Second Inquisition happening as a result of [=SchreckNet=] getting compromised and leaking the existence of vampires to several government agencies, the Camarilla's elders have adopted this attitude towards pretty much every form of online communication, and as such strictly forbid any member of the Camarilla to use it under the threat of excommunication, and possibly even being subjected to a blood hunt if the communication is risky enough. This also extends somewhat to telecommunication, where Camarilla members are banned from using smartphones and are restricted to limited use of burner phones. Many younger Kindred are, of course, not happy about this.

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* NewMediaAreEvil: InUniverse. Due to the Second Inquisition happening as a result of [=SchreckNet=] getting compromised and leaking the existence of vampires to several government agencies, the Camarilla's elders have adopted this attitude towards pretty much every form of online communication, and as such strictly forbid any member of the Camarilla to use it under the threat of excommunication, and possibly even being subjected to a blood hunt if the communication is risky enough. This also extends somewhat to telecommunication, where Camarilla members are banned from using smartphones and are restricted to limited use of burner phones. Many younger Kindred are, of course, not happy about this.



** A small one with Assamites in that they used to grow darker as they aged until they were pitch black. This has been refuted.

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** A small one with Assamites the Banu Haqim in that they used to grow darker as they aged until they were pitch black. This has been refuted.
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* AuthorAppeal: Matthew Dawkins loves the characters of ''Diablerie: Britain'' and ''Milwaukee by Night''. As such, references to both appear in multiple locations across the books where he's a developer. He's also said to be the primary party behind the ContinuityPorn of the works under his command (and quite proud of it according to WordOfGod).
* BackFromTheBrink: The Society of Leopold was TheRemnant in previous editions, deadly only to small groups of vampires and monsters. Now it's been funded by the world's governments to the tune of several billion dollars, given military-grade equipment, and allowed to recruit from the world's Catholic Special Forces.

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* AuthorAppeal: Matthew Dawkins loves the characters of ''Diablerie: Britain'' and ''Milwaukee by Night''. As such, references to both appear in multiple locations across the books where he's a developer. He's also said to be the primary party behind the ContinuityPorn of the works under his command (and quite proud of it according to WordOfGod).
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* BackFromTheBrink: The Society of Leopold was TheRemnant in previous editions, deadly only to small groups of vampires and monsters. Now it's been funded by the world's governments it has funding to the tune of several billion dollars, given military-grade equipment, and allowed to recruit from the world's Catholic Special Forces.



* BadassArmy: The second inquisition, considering the great threat they pose to vampires.

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* %%* BadassArmy: The second inquisition, considering the great threat they pose to vampires.Second Inquisition.



* BeautyEqualsGoodness: {{Subverted|Trope}}, the Nosferatu are noted to be the closest to 'good' vampires as being forced to the edges of Kindred society means they tend to have a soft spot for the outcasts of human society. [[BeautyIsBad The inversion though]] is ''also'' {{Subverted|Trope}} as while the [[VampiresAreSexGods Toreador]] certainly aren't "good" by human standards they do at least try to keep their Beast in check and maintain ties with humanity.
* BigGood: The [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Second Inquisition]] could be considered a twisted example, the greatest threat to the vampires, could be considered this trope. It successfully eliminated the vampires of London, helped weaken the Giovanni enough to overthrown by the Hecata, inflicted heavy damage on the Sabbat, and also managed to destroy the Tremere chantry in Vienna.

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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: {{Subverted|Trope}}, the Nosferatu are noted to be the closest to 'good' vampires as being forced to the edges of Kindred society means they tend to have a soft spot for the outcasts of human society. [[BeautyIsBad The inversion though]] is ''also'' {{Subverted|Trope}} subverted as while the [[VampiresAreSexGods Toreador]] certainly aren't "good" by human standards they do at least try to keep their Beast in check and maintain ties with humanity.
* BigGood: The [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Second Inquisition]] could be considered a twisted example, the greatest threat to the vampires, could be considered this trope.example. It successfully eliminated the vampires of London, helped weaken the Giovanni enough to overthrown by the Hecata, inflicted heavy damage on the Sabbat, and also managed to destroy the Tremere chantry in Vienna.



* MeaningfulRename: The Assamites are now the Banu Haqim [[{{Retcon}} (or rather having always been called the Banu Haqim)]], the Followers of Set are the Ministry, and the remnants of the Giovanni are the Hecata.

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* MeaningfulRename: The Assamites are now the Banu Haqim [[{{Retcon}} (or rather having were always been called the Banu Haqim)]], the Followers of Set are the Ministry, and the remnants of the Giovanni are the Hecata.



* MugglesDoItBetter: Individual humans, even groups of humans, are not much of a threat to a vampire. However, the Second Inquisition has drone strikes, squads of soldiers with automatic weapons with incendiary ammunition, and various other weapons that vampires struggle to fight.

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* MugglesDoItBetter: Individual humans, even groups of humans, are not much of a threat to a vampire. However, the Second Inquisition has drone strikes, squads of soldiers with automatic weapons with incendiary ammunition, and various other weapons that vampires struggle the average vampire struggles to fight.fight against.
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* VegetarianVampire: Now a DownplayedTrope example. You ''can'' be one but the only ones capable of being so are 12th and 13th generation vampires or Duskborn. Which makes a high generation now CursedWithAwesome for those trying to be a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire.

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* VegetarianVampire: Now a DownplayedTrope example. You ''can'' be one but the only ones capable of being so are the 12th and 13th generation vampires or Duskborn.and up. Which makes a high generation now CursedWithAwesome for those trying to be a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire.
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''Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition'' is the first release by Creator/WhiteWolf since their acquisition by Creator/ParadoxInteractive before being handed off to Creator/ModiphiusEntertainment. It is an update of the setting from ''[[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary]]'' and brings the game into the 21st century. Development of the new game was led by Creator/KennethHite.

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''Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition'' (2018) is the first release by Creator/WhiteWolf since their acquisition by Creator/ParadoxInteractive before being handed off to Creator/ModiphiusEntertainment. It is an update of the setting from ''[[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary]]'' and brings the game into the 21st century. Development of the new game was led by Creator/KennethHite.
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* ''The Second Inquisition'' (upcoming)

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* ''The Second Inquisition'' (upcoming)
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** The Hunger is representative of your beast's desires surfacing and not a physically measurable hunger.



** The Hunger is representative of your beast's desires surfacing and not a physically measurable hunger.

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* HunterOfTheirOwnKind: Some agencies in the Second Inquisition, such as FIRSTLIGHT and GRU-N58 have taken to recruiting ghouls, thinbloods, and occasionally full-fledged vampires into their ranks. N58 even has an entire project dedicated to training thinblooded commandos, the ZMEI Protocol. These commandos often diablerize their vampire targets to become more powerful themselves.



** Al Capone, Dickie Fulcher, Jacob Schumpeter are listed among those classic ''Chicago by Night'' characters to have met the Final Death.

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** Al Capone, Dickie Fulcher, Jacob Schumpeter are all listed among those classic ''Chicago by Night'' characters to have met the Final Death.Death.
* KillItWithFire: Vampires are weak to fire, making it one of the most effective ways of killing them. The Second Inquisition thus makes judicious use of incendiary weaponry.



* MasterOfIllusion: The Ravnos are back, and still maintain their classic illusionary abilities, though much like the Malkavian's Dementation, Chimerstry has been changed from it's own Discipline to an Amalgam of Presence and Obfuscation — i.e., they are officially Obfuscation powers that can only be learned if you also have sufficient dots in Presence.

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* LawmanBaton: Members of the [[ChurchMilitant ESOG]] carry Nightwatchmen, batons with [[SwordCane short swords]] hidden inside.
* MasterOfIllusion: The Ravnos are back, and still maintain their classic illusionary abilities, though much like the Malkavian's Dementation, Chimerstry has been changed from it's its own Discipline to an Amalgam of Presence and Obfuscation — i.e., they are officially Obfuscation powers that can only be learned if you also have sufficient dots in Presence.


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* SwordCane: The Nightwatchman, a weapon issued to members of the [[ChurchMilitant ESOG]] is a varient of this,being a short sword concealed within a LawmanBaton.

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* BigGood: In a weird way the [[AntiVillain Second Inquisition]], the greatest threat to the vampires, could be considered this trope. It successfully eliminated the vampires of London, helped weaken the Giovanni enough to overthrown by the Hecata, inflicted heavy damage on the Sabbat, and also managed to destroy the Tremere chantry in Vienna.

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* BigGood: In a weird way the [[AntiVillain The [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Second Inquisition]], Inquisition]] could be considered a twisted example, the greatest threat to the vampires, could be considered this trope. It successfully eliminated the vampires of London, helped weaken the Giovanni enough to overthrown by the Hecata, inflicted heavy damage on the Sabbat, and also managed to destroy the Tremere chantry in Vienna.



* DidNotThinkThisThrough: The Nosferatu's [=SchreckNet=] was hacked by the government, exposing all of the Kindred's secrets to the NSA, who shared their discovery with the [=MI5=] and the Vatican, which lead to the founding of the FIRSTLIGHT organization and the Second Inquisition. They really should have known better about the dangers of putting important information online given they include a strong hacker subculture.

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* DidNotThinkThisThrough: DidntThinkThisThrough: The Nosferatu's [=SchreckNet=] was hacked by the government, exposing all of the Kindred's secrets to the NSA, who shared their discovery with the [=MI5=] and the Vatican, which lead to the founding of the FIRSTLIGHT organization and the Second Inquisition. They really should have known better about the dangers of putting important information online given they include a strong hacker subculture.



** The Banu Haqim killed the Ministry's representatives to join the Camarilla, causing the Camarilla to side with them. The Ministry promptly joined the Anarchs and have been arming them in their war against the Camarilla.



* FromNobodyToNightmare: The perception of the Anarchs going from being a sect of disgruntled Camarilla members to a third sect in their own right, which has seized much of the Camarilla's territory.

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* FromNobodyToNightmare: The perception of the Anarchs going from being a sect of disgruntled Camarilla members to a third sect in their own right, which has seized much a lot of territory from the Camarilla's territory.Sabbat.



* HeroAntagonist: There's a massive global army of SEAL teams, FBI agents, Mossad, SIS, SAS, CIA analysts, and more. They've teamed up with the ChurchMilitant after discovering vampires existed and are out to rid the world of every single one. You're their prey.



** The Inner Council of the Tremere has also been killed off.

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** The Inner Council of the Tremere has also been killed off. Although there are rumors that one of them, Meerlinda, survived.



%%** Honestly the entire Second Inquisition comes off as this.



* MeaningfulRename: The Assamites are now the Banu Haqim, the Followers of Set are the Ministry, and the remnants of the Giovanni are the Hecata.

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* MeaningfulRename: The Assamites are now the Banu Haqim, Haqim [[{{Retcon}} (or rather having always been called the Banu Haqim)]], the Followers of Set are the Ministry, and the remnants of the Giovanni are the Hecata.

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