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** Some complaints make even less sense. "[[PokemonSpeak Pokémon still say their names]]? Fuck you Sakurai for trying to make everyone watch [[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesthat lame kiddy baby Pokémon show]] when it's clearly for lame kiddy babies and Smash is for mature people! Preorder fucking cancelled."

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** Some complaints make even less sense. "[[PokemonSpeak Pokémon still say their names]]? Fuck you Sakurai for trying to make everyone watch [[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesthat [[Anime/PokemonTheSeries that lame kiddy baby Pokémon show]] when it's clearly for lame kiddy babies and Smash is for mature people! Preorder fucking cancelled."
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** Here's some more fuel for the fire: three of the [[FanNickname Four]] [[GameBreaker Gods]] (Magneto, ComicBook/{{Storm}}, and Sentinel) [[OhCrap are back]]. Unlike Magneto and Storm, who are popular and have managed to avoid most of the scorn, Sentinel is being bashed into the ground because 1) his inclusion reeks of [[PanderingToTheBase being added in by Niitsuma for no other reason than because of his OP status in the previous game]], and 2) ''[[MechaMooks it's freaking Sentinel]]'' and he's so generic that if it ''wasn't'' for ''[=MvC2=]'', none of his fans would have even given a crap about him in the first place.

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** Here's some more fuel for the fire: three of the [[FanNickname Four]] [[GameBreaker Gods]] (Magneto, ComicBook/{{Storm}}, ComicBook/{{Storm|MarvelComics}}, and Sentinel) [[OhCrap are back]]. Unlike Magneto and Storm, who are popular and have managed to avoid most of the scorn, Sentinel is being bashed into the ground because 1) his inclusion reeks of [[PanderingToTheBase being added in by Niitsuma for no other reason than because of his OP status in the previous game]], and 2) ''[[MechaMooks it's freaking Sentinel]]'' and he's so generic that if it ''wasn't'' for ''[=MvC2=]'', none of his fans would have even given a crap about him in the first place.
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** "Stat ''Levels''?!"[[note]]What was ''thought'' to be Gen 6's term for a species' initial stat basis; apparently that term ''has'' no "official" name[[/note]] Those Creator/GameFreak guys don't know their UsefulNotes/RolePlayingGameTerms! Also, they've harshed our {{Woolseyism}}s.[[note]]"Base Stats", which apparently ''is'' a term for Specific Encounter-based Stats ''instead'' of the species modifier as was previously thought, is a lesser offense insofar as a "Base Stat" ''could'' be zeros across the board, but no gamer would refer to their ''pre''-roll stats as "base".[[/note]][[note]]And, of course, on [[Website/{{Bulbagarden}} Bulbapedia]], [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Base_stats#Move term names are]] SeriousBusiness.[[/note]]

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** "Stat ''Levels''?!"[[note]]What was ''thought'' to be Gen 6's term for a species' initial stat basis; apparently that term ''has'' no "official" name[[/note]] Those Creator/GameFreak guys don't know their UsefulNotes/RolePlayingGameTerms! MediaNotes/RolePlayingGameTerms! Also, they've harshed our {{Woolseyism}}s.[[note]]"Base Stats", which apparently ''is'' a term for Specific Encounter-based Stats ''instead'' of the species modifier as was previously thought, is a lesser offense insofar as a "Base Stat" ''could'' be zeros across the board, but no gamer would refer to their ''pre''-roll stats as "base".[[/note]][[note]]And, of course, on [[Website/{{Bulbagarden}} Bulbapedia]], [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Base_stats#Move term names are]] SeriousBusiness.[[/note]]
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** They're adding a new El Primo skin? Well, that's nice and all- wait, it's going to be based on [[Creator/{{Pinkfong}} Baby Shark]]!? '''BABY SHARK!?''' WE AREN'T PRESCHOOLERS ANYMORE, SUPERCELL!
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** Made all the more hilarious now that there's an actual song called "Furrýmon" by Music/TheChalkeaters.
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** The last member of Belle and Sam's trio is... a cookie oven!? Why her and not a cool-looking bandit? SUPERCELL HAS RUINED THE GOLDARM GANG FOREVER!
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*** Worse than that, some people are demanding refunds and calling this a huge slap in the face to anyone who paid for the game. To put this in perspective, this is like getting mad at Creator/MichaelBay because you bought ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' on DVD or Blu-ray and then saw it airing on TV three years later.

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*** Worse than that, some people are demanding refunds and calling this a huge slap in the face to anyone who paid for the game. To put this in perspective, this is like getting mad at Creator/MichaelBay because you bought ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' ''Film/Transformers2007'' on DVD or Blu-ray and then saw it airing on TV three years later.
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** That's not all! They're getting rid of Star Point skins, removing Power League and bumping all 49 gem skins to 79 gems!

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** That's not all! They're getting rid of Star Point skins, Points, removing Power League the Club Shop and bumping all 49 gem skins to 79 gems!
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** The announcement that ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' was going to be a multiplatform release for the UsefulNotes/{{Xbox 360}} as well as the UsefulNotes/PlayStation3. To put this in perspective, many gamers thought that ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' was dead when it was finally released on a non-''Nintendo'' console [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII back in 1997]], as the series had been Nintendo-exclusive since ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII''.

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** The announcement that ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' was going to be a multiplatform release for the UsefulNotes/{{Xbox Platform/{{Xbox 360}} as well as the UsefulNotes/PlayStation3.Platform/PlayStation3. To put this in perspective, many gamers thought that ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' was dead when it was finally released on a non-''Nintendo'' console [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII back in 1997]], as the series had been Nintendo-exclusive since ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyII''.



** Generation 8 is on the Switch and not on the 3DS? Pokémon is RUINED FOREVER for moving to a better engine!!![[note]]They literally do this every few years, or we'd still be playing in the original UsefulNotes/GameBoy. [[/note]]

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** Generation 8 is on the Switch and not on the 3DS? Pokémon is RUINED FOREVER for moving to a better engine!!![[note]]They literally do this every few years, or we'd still be playing in the original UsefulNotes/GameBoy.Platform/GameBoy. [[/note]]



* The remake of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' for the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube is seen as this by some fans. This is due to Naomi and Mei Ling losing their accents and many of the cutscenes were modified.

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* The remake of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' for the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube Platform/NintendoGameCube is seen as this by some fans. This is due to Naomi and Mei Ling losing their accents and many of the cutscenes were modified.



* ''VideoGame/AceCombat6FiresOfLiberation'' is [[UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars on Xbox 360 instead of PS3]]? BigNo!
** ''VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon'' is coming to the [=PS3=] as well as the UsefulNotes/XBox360... then the trailer revealed that the game will be set in the real world and will have some light rail shooting segments. The fandom promptly declared ''Assault Horizon'' to be a FranchiseKiller... ''all off of a single trailer''.

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* ''VideoGame/AceCombat6FiresOfLiberation'' is [[UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars [[MediaNotes/ConsoleWars on Xbox 360 instead of PS3]]? BigNo!
** ''VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon'' is coming to the [=PS3=] as well as the UsefulNotes/XBox360...Platform/XBox360... then the trailer revealed that the game will be set in the real world and will have some light rail shooting segments. The fandom promptly declared ''Assault Horizon'' to be a FranchiseKiller... ''all off of a single trailer''.



* Creator/{{Bethesda}} can't release a game without this refrain. ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' was Ruined FOREVER, and so was every ''Elder Scrolls'' game since ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]''. "''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was just ''Oblivion'' with guns!" That made some kind of sense, but now we have "''Skyrim'' is just ''Fallout'' with swords!" So, ''Skyrim'' is ''Oblivion'' with more swords?

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* Creator/{{Bethesda}} can't release a game without this refrain. ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' was Ruined FOREVER, and so was every ''Elder Scrolls'' game since ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]''. "''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was just ''Oblivion'' with guns!" That made some kind of sense, but now we have "''Skyrim'' is just ''Fallout'' with swords!" So, ''Skyrim'' is ''Oblivion'' with more swords?



* If you register in the forums of No Mutants Allowed, never EVER say that VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} was a good VideoGame/{{Fallout}} game or even a good game at all. The game is in First Person View instead of periferic that doesn't cause camera screws that much? RUINED FOREVER! The game has bugs? Even though the first two games were buggy as all hell and they were 2d emm RUINED FOREVER! People outside of our niche now know about Fallout? RU... you know the rest, the worst part is that this ruined forever thing started as early as VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}, The games has humor? RUIIIIIIIIINED! New Reno? What the fuck? I want things to be the same!

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* If you register in the forums of No Mutants Allowed, never EVER say that VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} was a good VideoGame/{{Fallout}} Franchise/{{Fallout}} game or even a good game at all. The game is in First Person View instead of periferic that doesn't cause camera screws that much? RUINED FOREVER! The game has bugs? Even though the first two games were buggy as all hell and they were 2d emm RUINED FOREVER! People outside of our niche now know about Fallout? RU... you know the rest, the worst part is that this ruined forever thing started as early as VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}, The games has humor? RUIIIIIIIIINED! New Reno? What the fuck? I want things to be the same!



*** Funny thing is, there were a lot of things that were objectively wrong with ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken''. Input issues for UsefulNotes/XBox360 owners, deceptive advertisement of multiplayer for Xbox 360 owners, numerous bugs that, as late as July of 2012, render the game unplayable. What do people complain about: the DLC. This has led some gamers to suggest that Capcom themselves could be fueling the DLC complaints on purpose, as it takes attention away from truly broken features of the game, and downright illegal actions, and places it on something that legally, every company has the right to do.

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*** Funny thing is, there were a lot of things that were objectively wrong with ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken''. Input issues for UsefulNotes/XBox360 Platform/XBox360 owners, deceptive advertisement of multiplayer for Xbox 360 owners, numerous bugs that, as late as July of 2012, render the game unplayable. What do people complain about: the DLC. This has led some gamers to suggest that Capcom themselves could be fueling the DLC complaints on purpose, as it takes attention away from truly broken features of the game, and downright illegal actions, and places it on something that legally, every company has the right to do.



** Now Elite 11's been delayed and ''VideoGame/NBAJam'' for UsefulNotes/Playstation3[=/=]UsefulNotes/XBox360 is now a standalone downloadable title. The fandom appears to have rejoiced about not being able to buy [[TaintedByThePreview Elite 11]] just to get ''NBA Jam''. Also Playstation 3/Xbox 360 version has now became a full title (Wii version plus Online). Cue "Ruined FOREVER!" for Wii owners.

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** Now Elite 11's been delayed and ''VideoGame/NBAJam'' for UsefulNotes/Playstation3[=/=]UsefulNotes/XBox360 Platform/Playstation3[=/=]Platform/XBox360 is now a standalone downloadable title. The fandom appears to have rejoiced about not being able to buy [[TaintedByThePreview Elite 11]] just to get ''NBA Jam''. Also Playstation 3/Xbox 360 version has now became a full title (Wii version plus Online). Cue "Ruined FOREVER!" for Wii owners.



** It was also this simply because it was ported to the UsefulNotes/XBox360 while the game had been a PC exclusive before. That's right, it's ruined because more people get to play the game.

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** It was also this simply because it was ported to the UsefulNotes/XBox360 Platform/XBox360 while the game had been a PC exclusive before. That's right, it's ruined because more people get to play the game.



* The sour grapes directed towards the announcement that ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta 2}}'' would be a UsefulNotes/WiiU exclusive are a spectacle to behold. Many individuals claimed that Nintendo/Platinum had literally ruined ''Bayonetta'' forever by preventing it from being on their Microsoft or Sony based system of choice.

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* The sour grapes directed towards the announcement that ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta 2}}'' would be a UsefulNotes/WiiU Platform/WiiU exclusive are a spectacle to behold. Many individuals claimed that Nintendo/Platinum had literally ruined ''Bayonetta'' forever by preventing it from being on their Microsoft or Sony based system of choice.



** Three more reasons why modern Creator/{{Nintendo}} [[UsefulNotes/NintendoDS hand]][[UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS held]] ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games make the series RUINED FOREVER (''UX'' included): ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' being the main representative of the RealRobot instead of the [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam original]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ UC]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterAttack quadrilogy]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam and]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory spinoffs]], lacking of ''Manga/GetterRobo'', and the series [[ItsEasySoItSucks becoming too easy.]]

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** Three more reasons why modern Creator/{{Nintendo}} [[UsefulNotes/NintendoDS hand]][[UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS [[Platform/NintendoDS hand]][[Platform/Nintendo3DS held]] ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games make the series RUINED FOREVER (''UX'' included): ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' being the main representative of the RealRobot instead of the [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam original]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ UC]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterAttack quadrilogy]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam and]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory spinoffs]], lacking of ''Manga/GetterRobo'', and the series [[ItsEasySoItSucks becoming too easy.]]



* On ''WebVideo/{{Jimquisition}}'', Jim Sterling moans about the Ruined FOREVER! cries from Sonic fans who say "we're not buying Sonic 4 because the physics isn't proper!" in his "Boycott" episode, along with boycott ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'' because it's too colourful, and not because of horrible DRM, and boycott [[VideoGame/{{Fallout3}} Fallout 3]] because it's [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not like]] [[VideoGame/{{Fallout}} the first one]]. In fact TheyChangedItNowItSucks seems to be the attitude of some of the people who scream boycott, at least according to Creator/JimSterling.

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* On ''WebVideo/{{Jimquisition}}'', Jim Sterling moans about the Ruined FOREVER! cries from Sonic fans who say "we're not buying Sonic 4 because the physics isn't proper!" in his "Boycott" episode, along with boycott ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'' because it's too colourful, and not because of horrible DRM, and boycott [[VideoGame/{{Fallout3}} Fallout 3]] because it's [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks not like]] [[VideoGame/{{Fallout}} [[VideoGame/Fallout1 the first one]]. In fact TheyChangedItNowItSucks seems to be the attitude of some of the people who scream boycott, at least according to Creator/JimSterling.
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* ''VideoGame/ArthursNightmare'' has an InUniverse version. The game opens with a fan of ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'' complaining about its switch to Flash animation in its later years, specifically saying that it ruined the show. Given that said fan is all but stated to have to endure a NightmareSequence where Arthur himself tries to kill him, one can only wonder [[TakeThatAudience what the author was trying to imply]].

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* ''VideoGame/ArthursNightmare'' has an InUniverse version. The game opens with a fan of ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'' complaining about its switch to Flash animation in its later years, specifically saying that it ruined the show. Given that said fan is all but stated to have to endure a NightmareSequence where Arthur himself tries to kill him, one can only wonder [[TakeThatAudience [[StrawFan what the author was trying to imply]].
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* ''VideoGame/ArthursNightmare'' has an InUniverse version. The game opens with a fan of ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'' complaining about its switch to Flash animation in its later years, specifically saying that it ruined the show. Given that said fan is all but stated to have to endure a NightmareSequence where Arthur himself tries to kill him, one can only wonder [[TakeThat what the author was trying to imply]].

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* ''VideoGame/ArthursNightmare'' has an InUniverse version. The game opens with a fan of ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'' complaining about its switch to Flash animation in its later years, specifically saying that it ruined the show. Given that said fan is all but stated to have to endure a NightmareSequence where Arthur himself tries to kill him, one can only wonder [[TakeThat [[TakeThatAudience what the author was trying to imply]].
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** Raiden. and him being the main character of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2 MGS2]]'' instead of Snake, caused a huge amount of this.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4'' again, has been criticized for being too much like an action game, for numerous amounts of retcons, and for explaining every plot hole, twist and unanswered question with nanomachines.

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** Raiden. and him being the main character of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2 ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]'' instead of Snake, caused a huge amount of this.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' again, has been criticized for being too much like an action game, for numerous amounts of retcons, and for explaining every plot hole, twist and unanswered question with nanomachines.
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* ''[[VideoGame/MarioKart8 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe]]'': The new DLC courses have a completely different art style to the rest of the game! And why are there so many tracks from the [[VideoGame/MarioKartTour mobile game]] that nobody likes?!? Nintendo is ''milking'' Mario Kart 8 with this half-baked DLC!! UGH!!!
** Also, from less faithful fans: "Why are there so many Wii tracks in this DLC?? ''True'' fans don't like that crappy, broken game!![[note]]Obviously not true, given how nostalgic people are for it now[[/note]] And they now have every character from Wii, too?? Nintendo is pandering way too hard to the Wii playerbase!!"
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** So they've animated the facepalm pins. The Angry and Happy ones are okay, but Disappointed... can you even ''call'' it a FacePalm? It's just the brawlers failing to facepalm. Worse, the hand is gone! SUPERCELL! IT'S CALLED A FACE'''PALM''' FOR A REASON!
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** No [[VideoGame/GodHand Gene]]? No Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}? No [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Tyrant or Nemesis]]? No Franchise/FantasticFour [[note]]whose role is being filled by the inclusion of [[AllYourPowersCombined Super Skrull]][[/note]]? No characters from ''Franchise/BreathOfFire'', ''VideoGame/PowerStone'', ''VideoGame/RivalSchools'', ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', or ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter''? No ComicBook/{{Venom}}? '''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking There's a separate button for launchers?!]]''' [[FelonyMisdemeanor Fucking hell, Capcom!]]

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** No [[VideoGame/GodHand Gene]]? No Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}? ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}? No [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Tyrant or Nemesis]]? No Franchise/FantasticFour ComicBook/FantasticFour [[note]]whose role is being filled by the inclusion of [[AllYourPowersCombined Super Skrull]][[/note]]? No characters from ''Franchise/BreathOfFire'', ''VideoGame/PowerStone'', ''VideoGame/RivalSchools'', ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', or ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter''? No ComicBook/{{Venom}}? '''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking There's a separate button for launchers?!]]''' [[FelonyMisdemeanor Fucking hell, Capcom!]]



** And it turns out that Comicbook/GhostRider, Comicbook/IronFist, and ComicBook/BlackPanther were excluded because [[http://www.newsarama.com/games/marvel-vs-capcom-3-preview-interview-110201.html they were "punchy dudes".]] Hence, forums the net over explode with fury, claiming that Seth Killian has no clue as to what the hell he's talking about in regards to the abilities of certain individuals, asking how other characters got the pass with this reasoning, and giving the community a new [[MemeticMutation meme]]: [[SarcasmMode "Too punchy."]]

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** And it turns out that Comicbook/GhostRider, Comicbook/IronFist, ComicBook/GhostRider, ComicBook/IronFist, and ComicBook/BlackPanther were excluded because [[http://www.newsarama.com/games/marvel-vs-capcom-3-preview-interview-110201.html they were "punchy dudes".]] Hence, forums the net over explode with fury, claiming that Seth Killian has no clue as to what the hell he's talking about in regards to the abilities of certain individuals, asking how other characters got the pass with this reasoning, and giving the community a new [[MemeticMutation meme]]: [[SarcasmMode "Too punchy."]]
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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}}'' MMORPG ''Dark Millennium: Online'' got hit with this with every single piece of information - confirmed or rumor - to come out about it since its ANNOUNCEMENT being decried as [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER HERESY!]] The factions will be aligned "Order vs. Destruction" instead of a 4/6/8 way brawl? HERESY! The Imperium will be one faction rather than splitting into Space Marines, Guardsmen and Mechanicus? HERESEY!! Any given race will or won't be involved and/or will or won't be playable? The game will feature real-time point and shoot firing and reloads instead of (or alongside) clickable actions? You won't be able to have dedicated vehicle classes? You can have vehicles at ALL besides [[GiantMecha Titans]]!? YOU CAN'T DIRECTLY CONTROL TITANS?!? [[KillItWithFire BURN THE HERETICS!!!]] Then THQ announced that, due to financial concerns and the current state of the marketplace, Dark Millennium won't be an MMO, but instead a "rich, detailed single player game with in-depth multiplayer experience", because [[DoingItForTheArt they've devoted too much time and effort to make the game as epic and astounding as the setting deserves]] to just let it [[{{Vaporware}} die completely]]. The only reason there hasn't been an [[EarthShatteringKaboom Exterminatus]] called is because the fans can't decide whether THQ is more guilty of "dumbing down what could have been" or "planning this from the start and just teasing us with an MMO".

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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}}'' MMORPG ''Dark Millennium: Online'' got hit with this with every single piece of information - confirmed or rumor - to come out about it since its ANNOUNCEMENT being decried as [[DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER HERESY!]] The factions will be aligned "Order vs. Destruction" instead of a 4/6/8 way brawl? HERESY! The Imperium will be one faction rather than splitting into Space Marines, Guardsmen and Mechanicus? HERESEY!! Any given race will or won't be involved and/or will or won't be playable? The game will feature real-time point and shoot firing and reloads instead of (or alongside) clickable actions? You won't be able to have dedicated vehicle classes? You can have vehicles at ALL besides [[GiantMecha Titans]]!? YOU CAN'T DIRECTLY CONTROL TITANS?!? [[KillItWithFire BURN THE HERETICS!!!]] Then THQ announced that, due to financial concerns and the current state of the marketplace, Dark Millennium won't be an MMO, but instead a "rich, detailed single player game with in-depth multiplayer experience", because [[DoingItForTheArt they've devoted too much time and effort to make the game as epic and astounding as the setting deserves]] deserves to just let it [[{{Vaporware}} die completely]]. The only reason there hasn't been an [[EarthShatteringKaboom Exterminatus]] called is because the fans can't decide whether THQ is more guilty of "dumbing down what could have been" or "planning this from the start and just teasing us with an MMO".
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** After the fandom came about with the DS re-releases of the first three games featuring Phoenix Wright, there was a lot of backlash when the [[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney fourth Ace Attorney title]] was announced to feature a new rookie lawyer that hadn't appeared in the previous games. And when people found out that in it [[spoiler: Phoenix [[TorchesAndPitchforks had been disbarred from court...]] ]]
** In fact, some Ace Attorney fans despise Apollo so much that they won't play ''VisualNovel/DualDestinies'' for any reason other than "that little shit Apollo is in it. I hate him and I won't play it."

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** After the fandom came about with the DS re-releases of the first three games featuring Phoenix Wright, there was a lot of backlash when the [[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney fourth Ace Attorney title]] was announced to feature a new rookie lawyer that hadn't appeared in the previous games. And when people found out that in it [[spoiler: Phoenix [[spoiler:Phoenix [[TorchesAndPitchforks had been disbarred from court...]] ]]
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** In fact, some Ace Attorney ''Ace Attorney'' fans despise Apollo so much that they won't play ''VisualNovel/DualDestinies'' ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'' for any reason other than "that little shit Apollo is in it. I hate him and I won't play it."

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