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* Happens in-universe, sort of, in a couple of the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books, particularly ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'' and ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum''. In both cases it's really only the witches who are willing and able to oppose the elves (in the first) and the Magpyrs (in the second), and even they occasionally struggle with the temptation; if Esme Weatherwax had a will made of some weaker material (like, say, iron) both books could have ended very differently.

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* Happens in-universe, sort of, in a couple of the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books, particularly ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'' ''Literature/LordsAndLadies'' and ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum''.''Literature/CarpeJugulum''. In both cases it's really only the witches who are willing and able to oppose the elves (in the first) and the Magpyrs (in the second), and even they occasionally struggle with the temptation; if Esme Weatherwax had a will made of some weaker material (like, say, iron) both books could have ended very differently.


* Itís hard not to root for the Defarges in ''Literature/ATaleOfTwoCities'' considering A. The setting is the French Revolution, B. How awful we see most of the nobility act and C. Ernest and Therese are clearly reaching out to others who have had it as bad or worse. Yes both want to kill Charles Darnay just for being an aristocrat, but they have no way of knowing he despised his Marquis uncleís actions just as much as the poor did.
This goes a step further as though Ernest is the WellIntentionedExtremist and Therese is the BloodKnight even then itís quite clear that Therese is like this due to not only her hard life but what the Marque did to her sister, seemingly ForTheEvulz.

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* Itís hard not to root for the Defarges in ''Literature/ATaleOfTwoCities'' considering A. The setting is the French Revolution, B. How awful we see most of the nobility act and C. Ernest and Therese are clearly reaching out to others who have had it as bad or worse. Yes both want to kill Charles Darnay just for being an aristocrat, but they have no way of knowing he despised his Marquis uncleís actions just as much as the poor did. \n - This goes a step further as though Ernest is the WellIntentionedExtremist and Therese is the BloodKnight even then itís quite clear that Therese is like this due to not only her hard life but what the Marque did to her sister, seemingly ForTheEvulz.


This goes a step further as though Ernest is the WellMeaningExtremist and Therese is the BloodKnight even then itís quite clear that Therese is like this due to not only her hard life but what the Marque did to her sister, seemingly ForTheEvluz.

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This goes a step further as though Ernest is the WellMeaningExtremist WellIntentionedExtremist and Therese is the BloodKnight even then itís quite clear that Therese is like this due to not only her hard life but what the Marque did to her sister, seemingly ForTheEvluz.
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* Itís hard not to root for the Defarges in ''Literature/ATaleOfTwoCities'' considering A. The setting is the French Revolution, B. How awful we see most of the nobility act and C. Ernest and Therese are clearly reaching out to others who have had it as bad or worse. Yes both want to kill Charles Darnay just for being an aristocrat, but they have no way of knowing he despised his Marquis uncleís actions just as much as the poor did.
This goes a step further as though Ernest is the WellMeaningExtremist and Therese is the BloodKnight even then itís quite clear that Therese is like this due to not only her hard life but what the Marque did to her sister, seemingly ForTheEvluz.


* In Creator/StephenKing's ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' The Good Man, John Farson, while presented to be the bad guy (and actually turns out to be [[spoiler:Randal Flagg]] at one point- [[CanonDiscontinuity and then, in later books, not]]) is shown to be leading a proletariat rebellion for democracy against the clearly Feudalistic system Roland and the other gunslingers seem to be rooting for. This is partly a side-effect of Farson being TheGhost in the novels, so we don't really learn a whole lot about him. The comic book prequels go out of their way to subvert this and when we finally meet Farson he is power-hungry but happens to be a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity popular and charismatic leader]], and his free and democratic society is really shaping up to be a PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny with himself as dictator.

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** His very first novel, ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'', gets this a lot, especially courtesy of its film adaptations. Carrie White is portrayed as an extremely sympathetic AntiVillain, a MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold who is horribly abused by her [[TheFundamentalist religious fanatic]] [[MyBelovedSmother mother]] and by [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer her classmates]], with at least ''three'' supporting characters -- the aforementioned mother, the AlphaBitch Chris Hargensen, and her {{Greaser Delinquent|s}} boyfriend Billy Nolan -- all portrayed as the real villains for having pushed her to the breaking point. At the same time... she committed a mass murder spree to dwarf UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}}, Sandy Hook, and Parkland combined. It helps that the [[Film/Carrie1976 various]] [[Film/Carrie2002 film]] [[Film/Carrie2013 adaptations]] softened the nature of her actions, portraying her as having suffered a [[HeroicBSOD psychotic break]] while the original novel depicted her as being in full control of what she was doing and clearly enjoying every second of it, while also (save for the 2002 version) limiting the scope of her rampage as opposed to having her burn down her entire town. (The AdaptationalAttractiveness [[BeautyEqualsGoodness doesn't hurt either]].) Many fans will admit to outright cheering for Carrie as she slaughters her classmates at the prom.
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In Creator/StephenKing's ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' The ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', the Good Man, John Farson, while presented to be the bad guy (and actually turns out to be [[spoiler:Randal Flagg]] at one point- point -- [[CanonDiscontinuity and then, in later books, not]]) is shown to be leading a proletariat rebellion for democracy against the clearly Feudalistic system Roland and the other gunslingers seem to be rooting for. This is partly a side-effect of Farson being TheGhost in the novels, so we don't really learn a whole lot about him. The comic book prequels go out of their way to subvert this and when we finally meet Farson he is power-hungry but happens to be a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity popular and charismatic leader]], and his free and democratic society is really shaping up to be a PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny with himself as dictator.


* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the fascist LadyLand Azania sometimes gets this, especially from readers who disagree with the author's conservative politics. While their actions soundly establish them as villains, the Azanians' ideology of progress through science and championing of women's issues and LGBT rights looks more sympathetic and inspiring to some than the heroes' own over-the-top right-wing libertarian utopia, and furthermore they have the advantage of cool aesthetics and technology, as well as [[GirlOnGirlIsHot sundry other factors]]. It also helps that the main POV character on the good side can easily look like a hypocrite to hostile readers, and/or come across as a misogynist jerk.

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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the fascist LadyLand Azania sometimes gets this, especially from readers who disagree with the author's conservative politics. While their actions soundly establish them as villains, the Azanians' ideology of progress through science and championing of women's issues and LGBT rights looks more sympathetic and inspiring to some than the heroes' own over-the-top right-wing libertarian utopia, and furthermore they have the advantage of cool aesthetics and technology, as well as [[GirlOnGirlIsHot sundry other factors]]. It also helps that the main POV character on the good side can easily look like a hypocrite to hostile some readers, and/or come across as a misogynist jerk.


* This seems to be the general case for certain books of the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series. If the protagonist tends to be either incredibly querulous, annoying, and just plain unsympathetic, the reader would end up favoring the villains over them. Case in point, ''Monster Blood'' and ''The Curse of Camp Cold Lake'' each have an [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable protagonist]] and a far more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic villain]].

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* This seems to be the general case for certain books of the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series. If the protagonist tends to be either incredibly querulous, annoying, and just plain unsympathetic, the reader would end up favoring the villains over them. Case in point, ''Monster Blood'' (as well as the three sequels that follow it) and ''The Curse of Camp Cold Lake'' each have an [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable protagonist]] and a far more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic villain]].


** The {{Hatedom}} has a slight tendency to do this with [[spoiler: the Solarian League]], partly as a counter-reaction to [[spoiler: the League's]] somewhat inconsistent characterization as either a very loose confederation or a nigh-totalitarian bureaucratic empire, and partly as a result just plain finding Manticore's constant development of new warfare-toys that revolutionizes warfare ''annoying'' by that point in the series.

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** The {{Hatedom}} has detractors have a slight tendency to do this with [[spoiler: the Solarian League]], partly as a counter-reaction to [[spoiler: the League's]] somewhat inconsistent characterization as either a very loose confederation or a nigh-totalitarian bureaucratic empire, and partly as a result just plain finding Manticore's constant development of new warfare-toys that revolutionizes warfare ''annoying'' by that point in the series.


* This seems to be the general case for certain books of the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series. If the protagonist tends to be either incredibly querulous, annoying, and just plain sympathetic, the reader would end up favoring the villains over them. Case in point, ''Monster Blood'' and ''The Curse of Camp Cold Lake'' each have an [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable protagonist]] and a far more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic villain]].

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* This seems to be the general case for certain books of the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series. If the protagonist tends to be either incredibly querulous, annoying, and just plain sympathetic, unsympathetic, the reader would end up favoring the villains over them. Case in point, ''Monster Blood'' and ''The Curse of Camp Cold Lake'' each have an [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable protagonist]] and a far more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic villain]].

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* This seems to be the general case for certain books of the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series. If the protagonist tends to be either incredibly querulous, annoying, and just plain sympathetic, the reader would end up favoring the villains over them. Case in point, ''Monster Blood'' and ''The Curse of Camp Cold Lake'' each have an [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable protagonist]] and a far more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic villain]].


** A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's prejudice against [[AmbitionIsEvil Slytherin House]], who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the [[JerkJock crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks.]] In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they reinterpret Slytherin in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition. In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never ''shown'' in the actual books to be anything other than {{Jerk Ass}}es and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.

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** A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's (or at least the viewpoint character's) prejudice against [[AmbitionIsEvil Slytherin House]], who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the [[JerkJock crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks.]] In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they reinterpret Slytherin in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition. In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never ''shown'' in the actual books to be anything other than {{Jerk Ass}}es and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.



** Dumbledore starts out as Harry's kind, grandfatherly, somewhat [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} kooky]] mentor, but in the later books, more things about his past and his agenda regarding Harry and the war are revealed, which leaves him more in the ManipulativeBastard category. This has left a lot of fans in the somewhat awkward position of liking ''Harry'' just fine and rooting for him, while simultaneously greatly preferring Voldemort over Dumbledore.

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** Dumbledore starts out as Harry's kind, grandfatherly, somewhat [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} kooky]] mentor, but in the later books, more things about his past and his agenda regarding Harry and the war are revealed, which leaves him more in the ManipulativeBastard category. It also doesn't help that, given how many of the entries on [[WhatAnIdiot/HarryPotter this page]] are about him, it's hard to read the books without seeing him as either massively incompetent or plain evil, though admittedly pretty much everyone in the Wizarding World suffers from a severe lack of logic and common sense. This has left a lot of fans in the somewhat awkward position of liking ''Harry'' just fine and rooting for him, while simultaneously greatly preferring Voldemort over Dumbledore.


** A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's prejudice against [[AmbitionIsEvil Slytherin House]], who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the [[JerkJock crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks.]] In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they generally ignore the fact that Slytherin sucks, and reinterpret them in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition. In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never ''shown'' in the actual books to be anything other than {{Jerk Ass}}es and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.

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** A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's prejudice against [[AmbitionIsEvil Slytherin House]], who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the [[JerkJock crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks.]] In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they generally ignore the fact that Slytherin sucks, and reinterpret them Slytherin in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition. In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never ''shown'' in the actual books to be anything other than {{Jerk Ass}}es and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.


** TheKingdom becomes TheEmpire, but are really now TheFederation with feudal trappings. The Republic of Haven goes the entire gamut though, from The Empire by any other name to PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny under a ReignOfTerror to the Restored Republic, giving viewpoint characters to root for and against the entire time. Noticeable in that few civil foes in Manticore get a full viewpoint, while all Haven viewpoint characters, no matter where on the moral line, are given a full viewpoint including motivations. This may have been intentional, as Haven has undergone a slow HeelFaceTurn for some time now. Now that [[spoiler:Haven and Manticore have allied against Mesa, Haven are officially the good guys, and rooting for them is expected.]]

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** TheKingdom The Kingdom becomes TheEmpire, but are really now TheFederation with feudal trappings. The Republic of Haven goes the entire gamut though, from The Empire by any other name to PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny under a ReignOfTerror to the Restored Republic, giving viewpoint characters to root for and against the entire time. Noticeable in that few civil foes in Manticore get a full viewpoint, while all Haven viewpoint characters, no matter where on the moral line, are given a full viewpoint including motivations. This may have been intentional, as Haven has undergone a slow HeelFaceTurn for some time now. Now that [[spoiler:Haven and Manticore have allied against Mesa, Haven are officially the good guys, and rooting for them is expected.]]



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* In ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'', the fascist LadyLand Azania sometimes gets this, especially from readers who disagree with the author's conservative politics. While their actions soundly establish them as villains, the Azanians' ideology of progress through science and championing of women's issues and LGBT rights looks more sympathetic and inspiring to some than the heroes' own over-the-top right-wing libertarian utopia, and furthermore they have the advantage of cool aesthetics and technology, as well as [[GirlOnGirlIsHot sundry other factors]]. It also helps that the main POV character on the good side can easily look like a hypocrite to hostile readers, and/or come across as a misogynist jerk.


** An example occurs in the novel ''Shadow Of Saganami'' when the Kingdom of Manticore is in the process of the Empire of Manticore by the (voluntary) annexation of the Talbott Cluster. Local resistance groups are opposed to it, and the most developed are essentially the quasi-libertarian space-cowboys from the [[SarcasmMode subtly-named planet of Montana]]. The reader is supposed to RootForTheEmpire in this case because resistance, although composed of well-meaning people, aren't aware the people they're resisting are actually TheBigDamnHeroes and that their resistance is being "assisted" by actual sociopathic terrorists and secretly supported by the [[BigBad Mesan Alignment]].

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** An example occurs in the novel ''Shadow Of Saganami'' when the Kingdom of Manticore is in the process of the Empire of Manticore by the (voluntary) annexation of the Talbott Cluster. Local resistance groups are opposed to it, and the most developed are essentially the quasi-libertarian space-cowboys from the [[SarcasmMode subtly-named planet of Montana]]. The reader is supposed to RootForTheEmpire root for the Empire in this case because resistance, although composed of well-meaning people, aren't aware the people they're resisting are actually TheBigDamnHeroes the heroes in the setting, and that their resistance is being "assisted" by actual sociopathic terrorists and secretly supported by the [[BigBad Mesan Alignment]].Alignment]], neither of whom give a crap about the well-being of the population.

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