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* CurbStompCushion: The sparring match between Jacaerys and Aegon was pretty one-sided, largely due to the age gap between them, as Harwin notes. To Jace's credit, he briefly has the upper hand during their second round, forcing Aegon to knock down a nearby training dummy to put some distance between them.



* SportsDad: Criston is a ParentalSubstitute to Alicent's boys and Harwin is ostensibly the same to Rhaenyra's. The men egg the boys into a fight that's really an expression of TheMissusAndTheEx situation between them.

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* SportsDad: Criston is a ParentalSubstitute to Alicent's boys and Harwin is ostensibly the same to Rhaenyra's. The men egg the boys into a fight that's really an expression of TheMissusAndTheEx situation between them. This is best seen when they give Aegon and Jace pointers on how to fight like a couple of boxing coaches lecturing their fighters before a round.
* SoProudOfYou: Subtle, but Harwin cracks a smile as he watches Jacaerys gain the upper hand against Aegon in their sparring match.
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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena. Viserys is all for it, while Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. Exchanging your daughter as a PoliticalHostage to people you does not trust in exchange for a dragon egg is not a good deal. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-siblings and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.

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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope.{{Defied|Trope}}. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena. Viserys is all for it, while Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. Exchanging your daughter as a PoliticalHostage to people you does not trust in exchange for a dragon egg is not a good deal. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-siblings and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.



** DiscussedTrope by Viserys, who basically claims that the kids ''could'' be Rhaenyra and Laenor's because recessive genes. Alicent says that's not a thing. Given that this series has no precedent for recessive traits, she may be right.

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** DiscussedTrope {{Discussed|Trope}} by Viserys, who basically claims that the kids ''could'' be Rhaenyra and Laenor's because recessive genes. Alicent says that's not a thing. Given that this series has no precedent for recessive traits, she may be right.



** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- namely his Hand, Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that and just meeting the baseline of being honest ''would'' defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which -- as Larys is quick to point out -- he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, Alicent wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest.

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** DownplayedTrope {{Downplayed|Trope}} when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- namely his Hand, Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that and just meeting the baseline of being honest ''would'' defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which -- as Larys is quick to point out -- he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, Alicent wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest.
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* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. But {{subverted|trope}} as we come to see the fault lines in their relationship. Laena desires to return to Driftmark. Daemon says he's happy in Pentos, but is clearly haunted by a restlessness and melancholy.

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* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decade-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. But {{subverted|trope}} as we come to see the fault lines in their relationship. Laena desires to return to Driftmark. Daemon says he's happy in Pentos, but is clearly haunted by a restlessness and melancholy.
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* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. But subverted as we come to see the fault lines in their relationship. Laena desires to return to Driftmark. Daemon says he's happy in Pentous, but is clearly haunted by a restlessness and melancholy.

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* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. But subverted {{subverted|trope}} as we come to see the fault lines in their relationship. Laena desires to return to Driftmark. Daemon says he's happy in Pentous, Pentos, but is clearly haunted by a restlessness and melancholy.



** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that -- just meeting the baseline of being honest -- would defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which, Larys is quick to point out, he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest. When Larys points this out, Alicent snaps that at least Otto would be partial to ''her''.

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** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly namely his Hand Hand, Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that -- and just meeting the baseline of being honest -- would ''would'' defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which, which -- as Larys is quick to point out, out -- he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, Alicent wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest. When Larys points this out, Alicent snaps that at least Otto would be partial to ''her''.dishonest.



* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified to learn that Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who supported Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. This proves him a WildCard. Larys may be her ally, but not a trustworthy or safe one.

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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified to learn that Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who supported Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such (such as her own father.Otto). But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. This proves him a WildCard. Larys may be her ally, but not a trustworthy or safe one.



* LastSecondWordSwap:
** While voicing her objections regarding Rhaenyra's proposal to Viserys, Alicent just barely stops herself from calling Rhaenyra's sons "bastards." Of course, her choice of words is a deliberate call-back to Viserys' story about his mare having a foal sired by a neighboring stallion, so the implication is there.

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* LastSecondWordSwap:
LastSecondWordSwap: Twice people hover around the edge of calling Rhaenyra's sons "bastards".
** While voicing her objections regarding Rhaenyra's proposal to Viserys, Alicent just barely stops herself from calling Rhaenyra's sons "bastards." Of course, her Her choice of replacement words is a deliberate call-back to Viserys' story about his mare having a "unremarkable brown" foal sired by a neighboring stallion, so the implication is there.



* ProperlyParanoid: [[DeconstructedTrope Alicent is an example of how personally exhausting even well-founded suspicion can be.]] Alicent is completely correct in her suspicions that the three Velaryon children are bastards, but her struggle to get anyone to openly acknowledge it is wearing her down and colors all her actions in the episode.

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* ProperlyParanoid: [[DeconstructedTrope Alicent is an example of how personally exhausting even well-founded suspicion can be.]] be. Alicent is completely correct in her suspicions that the three Velaryon children are bastards, but her struggle to get anyone to openly acknowledge it is wearing her down and colors all her actions in the episode.



* RhetoricalRequestBlunder: During her dinner with Larys, Alicent frustratedly wishes that her father were there to assist her. She is later horrified when she learns that Larys had his own father killed so that her father could be re-appointed as Hand. {{Invoked|Trope}} or {{Zigzagging|Trope}} in that Larys is a smart guy who ''knew'' Alicent was not ''remotely'' suggesting he have anyone killed. When Alicent finds out what Larys did, he's not at all surprised that she's shocked -- he knew she would be. He has the PlausibleDeniability to say he did it at her request, but they both know that interpreting it that way is quite a stretch.

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* RhetoricalRequestBlunder: During her dinner with Larys, Alicent frustratedly wishes that her father were there to assist her. She is later horrified when she learns that Larys had his own father killed so that her father could be re-appointed as Hand. {{Invoked|Trope}} or {{Zigzagging|Trope}} in that Larys is a smart guy who ''knew'' Alicent was not ''remotely'' suggesting he have anyone killed. When Alicent finds out what Larys did, he's not at all remotely surprised that she's shocked -- he knew she would be. He has the PlausibleDeniability to say he did it at her request, but they both know that interpreting it that way is quite a stretch.



* VillainousCrossdresser: Laenor's new boyfriend has been fighting in the Stepstones and regaled him with stories about the new Corsairs who stepped in to fill the power vaccuum left by the late Crabfeeder, one of them being a massive Tyroshi who dyes his beard purple and wears women's frocks. Apparently, the entire Triarchy navy is made up of eccentric weirdos.

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* VillainousCrossdresser: Laenor's new boyfriend has been fighting in the Stepstones and regaled him with stories about the new Corsairs who stepped in to fill the power vaccuum left by the late Crabfeeder, one of them being Crabfeeder. One is a massive Tyroshi who dyes his beard purple and wears women's frocks. Apparently, the entire Triarchy navy is made up of eccentric weirdos.
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* TheLawOfConservationOfDetail: We see Criston ignore Jace and Luke for all of 40 seconds in order to spar with Aegon and Aemond. Realistically, there's nothing wrong with this. If a teacher is ''ever'' to give a student individual attention, this requires ignoring the rest of the class for a minute. So long as all the students get turns, this is fine. Before we can see whether Criston will give Jace and Luke a turn, Harwin objects -- implying that 40-second snippet is part of a larger pattern.
-->'''Harwin:''' It seems the younger boys could do better with a bit of your attention, Ser Criston.\\
'''Criston:''' You question my method of instruction, Ser?\\
'''Harwin:''' I merely suggest that method be applied to all your pupils.

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* AdaptationalContextChange: The motivations for the burning of Harrenhal become explicitly different in contrast to the motivations listed upon in ''Literature/FireAndBlood''. While most of it is implied to be about disposing of Harwin for "dishonoring" Rhaenyra (and shaming House Strong itself, if Larys was the culprit) by being the father of her children, here it is explicitly about eliminating Lord Lyonel to enable Otto Hightower's return to service as Hand, as Larys's disturbing favor to the increasingly grasping Queen Alicent. It's made explicit that Larys was the one responsible, whereas the book gives a list of suspects including him, Daemon, Corlys Velaryon, King Viserys or simply the Harrenhal curse.

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* AdaptationalContextChange: AdaptationalContextChange:
** In both the book and show, there's an altercation between Criston and Harwin where Criston wins. In the book it's before the last timeskip; in the show it's now. In the book, Criston wins a physical fight and breaks Harwin's collarbone and elbow. In the show, Criston baits Harwin into beating ''him''. He takes the punches with a grin, because Harwin -- in revealing himself in full view of the king -- has lost, and Criston is the real winner here.
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The motivations for the burning of Harrenhal become explicitly different in contrast to the motivations listed upon in ''Literature/FireAndBlood''. While most of it is implied to be about disposing of Harwin for "dishonoring" Rhaenyra (and shaming House Strong itself, if Larys was the culprit) by being the father of her children, here it is explicitly about eliminating Lord Lyonel to enable Otto Hightower's return to service as Hand, as Larys's disturbing favor to the increasingly grasping Queen Alicent. It's made explicit that Larys was the one responsible, whereas the book gives a list of suspects including him, Daemon, Corlys Velaryon, King Viserys or simply the Harrenhal curse.
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"10 years after Rhaenyra rejected his proposal" is biased to make it sound unreasonable. "10 years after Rhaenyra put him at risk for his life" would be biased to try to make it sound reasonable. I'm just doing to remove it altogether for the sake of being neutral about it.


** Criston, still bitter ten years after Rhaenyra rejected his proposal, calls her a "spoiled cunt" in conversation with Alicent. The queen is slightly taken aback by the vehemence of the statement.

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** Criston, still bitter ten years after Rhaenyra rejected his proposal, later, calls her a "spoiled cunt" in conversation with Alicent. The queen is slightly taken aback by the vehemence of the statement.

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* EstablishingCharacterMoment:
** Between the TimeShiftedActors, and the fact that the characters have changed much in a decade, even some of our familiar characters get these.
*** '''Rhaenyra:''' After initially knowing her as a teenager who was very afraid of childbirth, we're reintroduced to Rhaenyra ''in the midst of giving birth''. She's a mother now, and contrary to her adolescent fears, she doesn't seem to find it terribly burdensome--she adores her sons.
*** '''Alicent:''' In stark contrast to the ShrinkingViolet of her adolescence, Alicent GrewASpine and now is not afraid to make demands (such as making Rhaenyra come to her right after giving birth) or speak her mind (in veiled jabs at baby Joff's appearance).
** We're introduced to many Targaryen kiddos this episode.
*** '''Aegon:''' Bullying his little brother Aemond. And standing naked on a window and masturbating.
*** '''Aemond:''' Being bullied about not having a dragon, and this driving him down into the bowels of the Dragonpit where he hopes to find one.
*** '''Helaena:''' Waxing encyclopedically to her mother about her pet millipede.
*** '''Jacaerys:''' Because he's the eldest of Rhaenyra's sons, he'd old enough to realize he probably is a bastard (even if he's still a Targaryen through his mother), leading to his BastardAngst that drives him to overcompensate by trying really hard to be a model prince.
*** '''Lucerys:''' Younger than Jace, innocently unaware he's a bastard.
*** '''Baela:''' Daemon's tougher older daughter, she already has her own dragon that hatched from a cradle egg and she's clearly her father's favorite, with him taking time to give her High Valyrian lessons.
*** '''Rhaena:''' Daemon's younger daughter, has a whole scene with Laena explaining her angst that she worries her father ignores her because she doesn't have a dragon yet.

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* EstablishingCharacterMoment:
** Between the TimeShiftedActors, and the fact that the characters have changed much in a decade, even some of our familiar characters get these.
*** '''Rhaenyra:''' After initially knowing her as a teenager who was very afraid of childbirth, we're reintroduced to Rhaenyra ''in the midst of giving birth''. She's a mother now, and contrary to her adolescent fears, she doesn't seem to find it terribly burdensome--she adores her sons.
*** '''Alicent:''' In stark contrast to the ShrinkingViolet of her adolescence, Alicent GrewASpine and now is not afraid to make demands (such as making Rhaenyra come to her right after giving birth) or speak her mind (in veiled jabs at baby Joff's appearance).
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EstablishingCharacterMoment: We're introduced to many Targaryen kiddos this episode.
*** ** '''Aegon:''' Bullying his little brother Aemond. And standing naked on a window and masturbating.
*** ** '''Aemond:''' Being bullied about not having a dragon, and this driving him down into the bowels of the Dragonpit where he hopes to find one.
*** ** '''Helaena:''' Waxing encyclopedically to her mother about her pet millipede.
*** ** '''Jacaerys:''' Because he's the eldest of Rhaenyra's sons, he'd old enough to realize he probably is a bastard (even if he's still a Targaryen through his mother), leading to his BastardAngst that drives him to overcompensate by trying really hard to be a model prince.
*** ** '''Lucerys:''' Younger than Jace, innocently unaware he's a bastard.
*** ** '''Baela:''' Daemon's tougher older daughter, she already has her own dragon that hatched from a cradle egg and she's clearly her father's favorite, with him taking time to give her High Valyrian lessons.
*** ** '''Rhaena:''' Daemon's younger daughter, has a whole scene with Laena explaining her angst that she worries her father ignores her because she doesn't have a dragon yet.


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* ReestablishingCharacterMoment: The episode begins after a 10-year TimeSkip, and the leads have TimeShiftedActors.
** '''Rhaenyra:''' After initially knowing her as a teenager who was very afraid of childbirth, we're reintroduced to Rhaenyra ''in the midst of giving birth'' to her third son. She's a mother now, and contrary to her adolescent fears, she seems content with it and adores her sons.
** '''Alicent:''' In stark contrast to the ShrinkingViolet of her adolescence, Alicent GrewASpine and now is not afraid to make demands (such as making Rhaenyra come to her right after giving birth) or speak her mind (in veiled jabs at baby Joff's appearance).
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** Alicent and Criston perceive Rhaenyra as one, flagrantly cheating on her husband overlooked thanks to ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections.

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** Alicent and Criston perceive Rhaenyra as one, one. She's flagrantly cheating on her husband and inserting her bastards into the line of succession, and this is overlooked thanks to ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections.
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* IWantMyMommy: As Alicent watches Viserys and Lyonel being flagrantly biased to protect ''their'' children, what she really wants is her ''own'' father to be here and be partial to ''her''.

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* IWantMyMommy: As Alicent watches Viserys and Lyonel being flagrantly biased and bending over backwards to protect ''their'' children, what she really wants is her ''own'' father to be here and be partial there to do the same for ''her''.

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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena, but while Viserys is all for it, Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. If Helaena were married to Jace their fates would be intertwined. Alicent would be compelled to support Jace, lest disaster befall him and Helaena jointly. As Jace is an obvious bastard whom they plan to make king, trouble is inevitably coming for Jace at some point. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-siblings and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.

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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena, but while Helaena. Viserys is all for it, while Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. If Helaena were married Exchanging your daughter as a PoliticalHostage to Jace their fates would be intertwined. Alicent would be compelled to support Jace, lest disaster befall him and Helaena jointly. As Jace is an obvious bastard whom they plan to make king, trouble is inevitably coming people you does not trust in exchange for Jace at some point.a dragon egg is not a good deal. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-siblings and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.her.
-->'''Rhaenyra:''' My son Jacaerys will inherit the Iron Throne after me. I propose we betroth him to your daughter, Helaena. Ally ourselves... once and for all. Let them rule together. [...] Additionally, if Syrax brings forth another clutch of eggs, your son Aemond will have his choice of them, uh... a symbol of our goodwill.



* RhetoricalRequestBlunder: During her dinner with Larys, Alicent frustratedly wishes that her father were there to assist her. She is later horrified when she learns that Larys had his own father killed so that her father could be re-appointed as Hand.

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* RhetoricalRequestBlunder: During her dinner with Larys, Alicent frustratedly wishes that her father were there to assist her. She is later horrified when she learns that Larys had his own father killed so that her father could be re-appointed as Hand. {{Invoked|Trope}} or {{Zigzagging|Trope}} in that Larys is a smart guy who ''knew'' Alicent was not ''remotely'' suggesting he have anyone killed. When Alicent finds out what Larys did, he's not at all surprised that she's shocked -- he knew she would be. He has the PlausibleDeniability to say he did it at her request, but they both know that interpreting it that way is quite a stretch.
-->'''Larys:''' The Queen makes a wish. What servant of the realm would not strive to fulfill it?
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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified to learn that Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who supported Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. He's her ally, but not a trustworthy or safe one.

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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified to learn that Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who supported Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. He's This proves him a WildCard. Larys may be her ally, but not a trustworthy or safe one.
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** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that -- just meeting the baseline of being honest -- would defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which, Larys is quick to point out, he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest.

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** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that -- just meeting the baseline of being honest -- would defacto be on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which, Larys is quick to point out, he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, wanting the same advantage for herself is not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest. When Larys points this out, Alicent snaps that at least Otto would be partial to ''her''.
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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified when she learns that OverzealousUnderling Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who were more inclined to support Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. Even if he's her ally, he's not a trustworthy or safe one.

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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified when she learns to learn that OverzealousUnderling Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who were more inclined to support supported Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. Even if he's He's her ally, he's but not a trustworthy or safe one.

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** During Alicent and Larys's dinner date, Larys goes ahead and starts eating without her and Alicent takes off her shoes. This initially reads as them having a familiar relationship where they feel free to be less formal with each other. Three episodes later we learn that actually [[spoiler:they have a begrudging SexForServices setup where Larys passes Alicent information in exchange for being allowed to jerk off to the sight of her bare feet.]]



* {{Foreshadowing}}: During Alicent and Larys's dinner date, Larys goes ahead and start eating without her, and Alicent takes off her shoes. It initially appears they feel free to be less formal with each other because they're relationship is quite familiar. Three episodes later we learn that actually [[spoiler:they have a begrudging SexForServices setup where Larys passes Alicent information in exchange for being allowed to jerk off to the sight of her bare feet.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: During Alicent and Larys's dinner date, Larys goes ahead and start eating without her, and Alicent takes off her shoes. It initially appears they feel free to be less formal with each other because they're relationship is quite familiar. Three episodes later we learn that actually [[spoiler:they have a begrudging SexForServices setup where Larys passes Alicent information in exchange for being allowed to jerk off to the sight of her bare feet.]]



** Alicent and Larys have apparently been having regular dinner dates for years. They're very familiar with each other, with Larys feelings free to go ahead and start eating without her, and her feeling free to take off her shoes.

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** Alicent and Larys have apparently been having regular dinner dates for years. They're very familiar with each other, with Larys feelings free to go ahead and start eating without her, and her feeling free to take off her shoes.
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-->'''Alicent:''' To have one child like that is a mistake, to have three is an insult, to the throne, to you, to House Velaryon and the match you battled so hard to make for her.

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-->'''Alicent:''' To have one child like that is a mistake, to mistake. To have three is an insult, insult -- to the throne, to you, to House Velaryon and the match you battled so hard to make for her.

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* EveryoneHasStandards:
** Alicent does give Ser Cristen an offended look when he calls Rhaenyra a "cunt." Even he seems to realize that's a bit far.
--->'''Criston:''' The Princess Rhaenyra is brazen and relentless. A spider who stings and sucks her prey dry. A spoiled cunt.\\

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* EveryoneHasStandards:
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EveryoneHasStandards: Alicent does give gives Ser Cristen an offended look when he calls Rhaenyra a "cunt." Even he seems to realize that's a bit far.
--->'''Criston:''' -->'''Criston:''' The Princess Rhaenyra is brazen and relentless. A spider who stings and sucks her prey dry. A spoiled cunt.\\



** Alicent is horrified when she learns that OverzealousUnderling Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who were more inclined to support Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father--but still, KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil. If Larys isn't safe or trustworthy even to his ''own family'', Alicent certainly can't trust him to be so to her.


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* KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Alicent is horrified when she learns that OverzealousUnderling Larys killed his father and brother for her benefit. It ''does'' benefit her--it takes out two people who were more inclined to support Rhaenyra over her and leaves the position of Hand open for someone more pro-Alicent such as her own father. But if Larys is willing to turn against his ''own family'' so utterly, he would almost certainly be willing to turn against Alicent too. Even if he's her ally, he's not a trustworthy or safe one.
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* {{Gaslighting}}: Viserys has spent a decade being absolutely insistent that Rhaenyra's children are Laenor's, even as this is obviously untrue. This leaves Alicent asking if she's going crazy.

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* {{Gaslighting}}: Viserys has and Rhaenyra have spent a decade being absolutely insistent insisting that Rhaenyra's children are Laenor's, even as this is obviously untrue. This leaves Alicent asking if she's going crazy. It's {{Downplayed|Trope}}, or perhaps {{Discussed|Trope}}. Viserys isn't intending to make Alicent question her sanity; she's just collateral damage. Alicent isn't actually actually questioning her sanity, as she's too self-assured for that; when she mentions going crazy it's just rhetorical. But the possibility of it is on her mind and gets mentioned.

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-->'''Alicent:''' In all of King's Landing, is there no one to take my side?
-->'''Henry II:''' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!]]

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-->'''Alicent:''' In all of King's Landing, is there no one to take my side?
-->'''Henry
side?\\
'''Henry
II:''' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!]]



* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. Yet Laena desires to return to Driftmark and seems to sense a restlessness that Daemon keeps on denying--claiming he is happy being a comfortably-obscure hired sword in a foreign land instead of the "Rogue Prince" in Westeros he was (and likely still is).

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* {{Gaslighting}}: Viserys has spent a decade being absolutely insistent that Rhaenyra's children are Laenor's, even as this is obviously untrue. This leaves Alicent asking if she's going crazy.
-->'''Alicent:''' Have I lost my sanity, Ser Criston? Do my senses lead me astray? Or is everyone else asleep, dreaming the same woolly dream?
* HappilyMarried: In contrast to Viserys's decades-long decline with Alicent, and Rhaenyra's tense-plus-scandalous open marriage, Daemon and Laena's marriage in Pentos is, publicly at least, pretty successful--with two beautiful daughters, not to mention the friendship of Pentoshi magnates for their skill as {{Dragon Rider}}s. Yet But subverted as we come to see the fault lines in their relationship. Laena desires to return to Driftmark and seems to sense Driftmark. Daemon says he's happy in Pentous, but is clearly haunted by a restlessness that Daemon keeps on denying--claiming he is happy being a comfortably-obscure hired sword and melancholy.
-->'''Laena:''' You laud the virtues of Pentos, but you have no interest
in a foreign land instead it. If you did, you would venture into the city, but instead, you spend your time here, in the library, reading accounts of the "Rogue Prince" in Westeros he was (and likely still is).same dead dragonlords whose legacy you claim has no hold on you. [...] Life has, I know, disappointed you. Perhaps, I too, am not the wife you would've wished for yourself.



* HollywoodGenetics: Genetics in this world have always been a little… unlike those in our world. Kids typically take ''strongly'' after only one parent, and occasionally are a blend of both. Phenotypes are strongly associated with family lines. There's no precedent for recessive traits.
** DiscussedTrope by Viserys, who basically claims that the kids ''could'' be Rhaenyra and Laenor's because recessive genes. Alicent says that's not a thing. Given how genetics in this story usually work, she might be right.

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* HollywoodGenetics: Genetics in this world have always been a little… unlike those in our world. Kids typically take ''strongly'' after only one parent, and occasionally are a blend of both. Phenotypes are strongly associated with family lines. There's no precedent for recessive traits.
lines.
** DiscussedTrope by Viserys, who basically claims that the kids ''could'' be Rhaenyra and Laenor's because recessive genes. Alicent says that's not a thing. Given how genetics in that this story usually work, series has no precedent for recessive traits, she might may be right.



** Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. She says that if her father were still Hand things would be different. Larys is quick to point out that as her father, Otto Hightower wouldn't be impartial either, and Alicent admits that she wants someone to be on her side more than she wants neutrality. To her credit, [[LampshadeHanging her sighing afterward seems to suggest she knows she is being this]].

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** DownplayedTrope when Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. She says Viserys and Lyonel are bending over backwards to protect their children and grandchildren. Anyone ''not'' doing that if her father were still Hand things -- just meeting the baseline of being honest -- would defacto be different. on Alicent's side. An impartial Hand ''would'' seriously benefit her. But Alicent brings up Otto Hightower as hypothetical impartial Hand, which, Larys is quick to point out that as her father, Otto Hightower wouldn't be impartial either, and Alicent admits that she wants someone to be on her side more than she wants neutrality. To her credit, [[LampshadeHanging her sighing afterward seems to suggest she knows she out, he's not. In a context where everyone else has their exceptionally biased dads protecting them, wanting the same advantage for herself is being this]].not hypocritical, but calling it impartiality is intellectually dishonest.



-->'''Laenor:''' [[AskAStupidQuestion Was it terribly painful?]]
-->'''Rhaenyra:''' ''[gives a DeathGlare]''

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-->'''Laenor:''' [[AskAStupidQuestion Was it terribly painful?]]
-->'''Rhaenyra:'''
painful?]]\\
'''Rhaenyra:'''
''[gives a DeathGlare]''



* IWantMyMommy: DownplayedTrope, but as Alicent watches Viserys and Lyonel being flagrantly biased to protect their children, what she really wants is her ''own'' father to be here and be partial to ''her''.

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* IWantMyMommy: DownplayedTrope, but as As Alicent watches Viserys and Lyonel being flagrantly biased to protect their ''their'' children, what she really wants is her ''own'' father to be here and be partial to ''her''.



-->'''Alicent:''' Does the babe have a name yet?
-->'''Rhaenyra:''' We haven't spoken--
-->'''Laenor:''' Joffrey. He'll be called Joffrey.

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-->'''Alicent:''' Does the babe have a name yet?
-->'''Rhaenyra:'''
yet?\\
'''Rhaenyra:'''
We haven't spoken--
-->'''Laenor:'''
spoken--\\
'''Laenor:'''
Joffrey. He'll be called Joffrey.



* ProperlyParanoid: [[DeconstructedTrope Alicent is an example of how personally exhausting even well-founded suspicion can be.]] Alicent is completely correct in her suspicions that the three Velaryon children are bastards, but her struggle to get anyone to openly acknowledge it is wearing her down and colors all her actions in the episode. Similarly, her desire for courtiers more openly partisan in her favor sounds hypocritical when referred to as a desire for an impartial councilor, but -- as the whispered scenes in the Red Keep show -- the affair between Ser Harwin and Rhaenyra is an OpenSecret. Everyone -- most especially the King and his Hand, Lord Lyonel Strong -- is at least somewhat complicit in keeping it under the table, and thus "partial" to Rhaenyra.
-->'''Alicent:''' [[{{Gaslighting}} Have I lost my sanity, Ser Criston?]] Do my senses lead me astray? Or is everyone else asleep, dreaming the same woolly dream?

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* ProperlyParanoid: [[DeconstructedTrope Alicent is an example of how personally exhausting even well-founded suspicion can be.]] Alicent is completely correct in her suspicions that the three Velaryon children are bastards, but her struggle to get anyone to openly acknowledge it is wearing her down and colors all her actions in the episode. Similarly, her desire for courtiers more openly partisan in her favor sounds hypocritical when referred to as a desire for an impartial councilor, but -- as the whispered scenes in the Red Keep show -- the affair between Ser Harwin and Rhaenyra is an OpenSecret. Everyone -- most especially the King and his Hand, Lord Lyonel Strong -- is at least somewhat complicit in keeping it under the table, and thus "partial" to Rhaenyra.\n-->'''Alicent:''' [[{{Gaslighting}} Have I lost my sanity, Ser Criston?]] Do my senses lead me astray? Or is everyone else asleep, dreaming the same woolly dream?



** Even if we are given enough grounding for it through the last minutes of Creator/EmilyCarey's Queen Alicent last episode, Creator/OliviaCooke's portrayal shows us just how exactly the years have turned Queen Alicent bitter, domineering and even hypocritical--saying with a straight face that she wants the Hand to be her father so that someone will be [[ItsAllAboutMe "partial to [her]"]], and flat out screaming at Aegon's face to get on the Hightower ambition (even as he doesn't want to).

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** Even if we are given enough grounding for it through the last minutes of Creator/EmilyCarey's Queen Alicent last episode, Creator/OliviaCooke's portrayal shows us just how exactly the years have turned Queen Alicent bitter, domineering bitter and even hypocritical--saying with a straight face that she wants the Hand to be her father so that someone will be [[ItsAllAboutMe "partial to [her]"]], and flat out domineering, screaming at in Aegon's face to get on the Hightower ambition (even even as he doesn't want to).to.
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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena, but while Viserys is all for it, Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. If Helaena was married to Jace their fates would be intertwined. Alicent would be compelled to support Jace, lest disaster befall him and Helaena jointly. As Jace is an obvious bastard who they plan to make king, trouble inevitably coming for Jace at some point. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-sibling and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.

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* AltarDiplomacy: DefiedTrope. Rhaenyra proposes a match between her son Jacaerys and her half-sister Helaena, but while Viserys is all for it, Alicent is vehemently against the idea. As always with Westerosi nobility, AltarDiplomacy is the nice term for something which could also be called PoliticalHostage. If Helaena was were married to Jace their fates would be intertwined. Alicent would be compelled to support Jace, lest disaster befall him and Helaena jointly. As Jace is an obvious bastard who whom they plan to make king, trouble is inevitably coming for Jace at some point. Rhaenyra's proposed arrangement sounds, to Alicent, less like an attempt at kindhearted reconciliation and more like a desperate play to shore up her position by neutralizing the threat of her half-sibling half-siblings and profiting from their legitimacy. Alicent already feels lied to by everyone around her, but now feels like Rhaenyra is trying to swindle her.
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** Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. She says that if her father were still Hand things would be different. Larys is quick to point out that as her father, Otto Hightower wouldn't be impartial either, and Alicent admits that she wants someone to be on her side more than she wants neutrality.

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** Alicent complains that her husband's inner circle -- particularly his Hand Lyonel Strong -- are not impartial. She says that if her father were still Hand things would be different. Larys is quick to point out that as her father, Otto Hightower wouldn't be impartial either, and Alicent admits that she wants someone to be on her side more than she wants neutrality. To her credit, [[LampshadeHanging her sighing afterward seems to suggest she knows she is being this]].
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* AllohistoricalAllusion: This episode portrays the assassination of Lord Lyonel Strong and his son Harwin (via the fire of Harrenhal) as a RhetoricalRequestBlunder by Alicent to Larys (who did not expect the latter to take her frustrated wish to its ruthless extremes). Students of medieval English history may eerily be reminded of Anglo-Norman [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfPlantagenet King Henry II]]'s own enraged rant against his nemesis Archbishop Thomas Becket, which four knights took as a command to brutally kill him.
-->'''Alicent:''' In all of King's Landing, is there no one to take my side?
-->'''Henry II:''' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!]]

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