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** The Protagonist and Jeanne Alter outright go on a date complete with holding hands, and it's clear neither of them mind. It's the biggest ShipTease that's been featured in a Main Story arc to date... and then a bunch of the Avengers have to be PutOnABus following their Complex Breakthrough, including Jeanne Alter. She and the Protagonist clearly take it the hardest out of everyone, to the point where they're both brought to tears.

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** The Protagonist and Jeanne Alter outright go on a date complete with holding hands, and it's clear neither of them mind. It's the biggest ShipTease that's been featured in a Main Story arc to date... and then a bunch of the Avengers have to be PutOnABus following their Complex Breakthrough, including Jeanne Alter. She and the Protagonist clearly take it the hardest out of everyone, to the point where they're both brought to tears. Worst of all, it's Jeanne Alter herself that has to convince the Protagonist to let them go.



** Even with the deeper meaning of the Avenger Class discovered, destructive monsters that serve a purpose ''are still destructive monsters''; it's literally their job to expose injustice as swiftly and brutally as possible, and ''not'' doing this damages their Saint Graphs. How does the Protagonist reconcile this and keep their Avenger friends? ...The simple answer is that '''they can't'''. They're just not the sort of person that can be TheUnfettered even if that's what it takes to let the Avengers stay, and none of the Avengers want to see them become like that either. Neither side is willing to let the other destroy themselves, and so for the sakes of both, they have to go their separate ways.

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** Even with the deeper meaning of the Avenger Class discovered, destructive monsters that serve a purpose ''are still destructive monsters''; it's literally their job to expose injustice as swiftly and brutally as possible, and ''not'' doing this damages their Saint Graphs. How does the Protagonist reconcile this and keep their Avenger friends? ...The simple answer is that '''they can't'''. It's not a matter of "fixing" or bending the rules of their Saint Graphs, it's a matter of the Protagonist being naturally incompatible with Avengers on a fundamental level. They're just not the sort of person that can be TheUnfettered even if that's what it takes to let the Avengers stay, and none of the Avengers want to see them become like that either. Neither side is willing to let the other destroy themselves, and so for the sakes of both, they have to go their separate ways.



* WhereItAllBegan: The ultimate source of the Singularity in the fake Tokyo? It's the Protagonist's ''own house'', Dantès taking the narrative role of the Protagonist's father to invoke a powerful suggestive defense so that no one would even think to enter his private study. Said study leads to the proper wastehole where all of the Protagonist's trauma is buried and burned away, and where the final confrontations with Dantès and Cagliostro take place.

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* WhereItAllBegan: The ultimate source of the Singularity in the fake Tokyo? It's the Protagonist's ''own house'', Dantès taking the narrative role of the Protagonist's father to invoke a powerful suggestive defense so that no one would even think to enter his private study. Said study leads to the proper wastehole where all of the Protagonist's trauma is buried and burned away, and is where the final confrontations with Dantès and Cagliostro take place.
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Full title: "Ordeal Call II - Id, Wastehole of the Unsalvagable".

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Full title: "Ordeal Call II - Id, Wastehole of the Unsalvagable".
Unsalvagable, Id".
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* IfIWantedYouDead: Dantès being in control of a Singluarity within the Protagonist's own mind meant that he had ''so many'' ways to kill them virtually unopposed, some of which they even point out, but he hasn't followed through. This is what tips the Protagonist off that Dantès hasn't gone rogue like he appears.

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* IfIWantedYouDead: Dantès being in control of a Singluarity Singularity within the Protagonist's own mind meant that he had ''so many'' ways to kill them virtually unopposed, some of which they even point out, but he hasn't followed through. This is what tips the Protagonist off that Dantès hasn't gone rogue like he appears.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Killing off the two da Vinci facsimiles was part of Dantès' plan. Killing off the ''Mash'' facsimile was not, because even if it would add more fuel to the Protagonist's Avenger fire, even ''Dantès'' thought murdering their constant companion in cold blood was ''too much''. Sadly the Mash facsimile was in the house at the time of the da Vinci murders and was about to spoil the whole plot, forcing Dantès to commit.



* SacrificialLion: The facsimiles of adult da Vinci, child da Vinci, and Mash serves as the Protagonist's mother, little sister, and childhood friend respectively. Their only purpose in the narrative that Dantès wrote is to ''die horribly and be StuffedInTheFridge for the Protagonist to find''.

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* SacrificialLion: The facsimiles of adult da Vinci, child da Vinci, and Mash serves as the Protagonist's mother, little sister, and childhood friend respectively. Their only purpose in the narrative that Dantès wrote is to ''die horribly and be StuffedInTheFridge for the Protagonist to find''. Dantès admits that the Mash facsimile wasn't supposed to be part of the body count and was instead supposed to be the pillar of moral support for the Protagonist to lean on in the aftermath, but she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, forcing Jeanne Alter to take up that role instead.


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* WhereItAllBegan: The ultimate source of the Singularity in the fake Tokyo? It's the Protagonist's ''own house'', Dantès taking the narrative role of the Protagonist's father to invoke a powerful suggestive defense so that no one would even think to enter his private study. Said study leads to the proper wastehole where all of the Protagonist's trauma is buried and burned away, and where the final confrontations with Dantès and Cagliostro take place.
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** Even with the deeper meaning of the Avenger Class discovered, destructive monsters that serve a purpose ''are still destructive monsters''; it's literally their job expose injustice as swiftly and brutally as possible, and ''not'' doing this damages their Saint Graphs. How does the Protagonist reconcile this and keep their Avenger friends? ...The simple answer is that '''they can't'''. They're just not the sort of person that can be TheUnfettered even if that's what it takes to let the Avengers stay, and none of the Avengers want to see them become like that either. Neither side is willing to let the other destroy themselves, and so for the sakes of both, they have to go their separate ways.

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** Even with the deeper meaning of the Avenger Class discovered, destructive monsters that serve a purpose ''are still destructive monsters''; it's literally their job to expose injustice as swiftly and brutally as possible, and ''not'' doing this damages their Saint Graphs. How does the Protagonist reconcile this and keep their Avenger friends? ...The simple answer is that '''they can't'''. They're just not the sort of person that can be TheUnfettered even if that's what it takes to let the Avengers stay, and none of the Avengers want to see them become like that either. Neither side is willing to let the other destroy themselves, and so for the sakes of both, they have to go their separate ways.

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* AngstWhatAngst: {{Defied|Trope}}. One of Dantès' reasons for creating the Singularity is so the Protagonist can finally address the fact that ''they are not okay'', manufacturing a journey into their BlackBugRoom as the capstone of the chapter so they can finally address the trauma of their long journey in a controlled environment.



* BlackBugRoom: Id is the Protagonist's own Black Bug Room turned into a Singularity. On the surface it looks like a HappyPlace at first, but it hides the Bug Room (within the Protagonist's own house, no less) that takes the form of a long, winding stairwell into the darkness where Dantès does his work of burning away the Protagonist's trauma and mental interference.

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* BlackBugRoom: Id is the Protagonist's own ''Protagonist's own'' Black Bug Room turned into a Singularity. On the surface it looks like a HappyPlace at first, but it hides the Bug Room (within the Protagonist's own house, no less) that takes the form of a long, winding stairwell into the darkness where Dantès does his work of burning away the Protagonist's trauma and mental interference. Part of the reason Dantès made the Singularity is to tackle the fact that the Protagonist is ''not okay'' after their long journey through the game, and this gives them a chance to finally address their lingering trauma in a controlled environment.

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* AngstWhatAngst: {{Defied|Trope}}. One of Dantès' reasons for creating the Singularity is so the Protagonist can finally address the fact that ''they are not okay'', manufacturing a journey into their BlackBugRoom as the capstone of the chapter so they can finally address the trauma of their long journey in a controlled environment.



* ArcHero: Jeanne Alter, the game's [[invoked]]EnsembleDarkhorse of the Avenger Class, gets the spotlight for the first time in a long time.

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* ArcHero: Jeanne Alter, the game's [[invoked]]EnsembleDarkhorse [[invoked]]EnsembleDarkHorse of the Avenger Class, gets the spotlight for the first time in a long time.



* BlackBugRoom: Id is the Protagonist's own Black Bug Room turned into a Singularity. On the surface it looks like a HappyPlace at first, but it hides the Bug Room (within the Protagonist's own house, no less) that takes the form of a long, winding stairwell into the darkness where Dantès does his work of burning away the Protagonist's trauma and mental interference.



* IfIWantedYouDead: Dantès being in control of a Singluarity within the Protagonist's own mind meant that he had ''so many'' ways to kill them virtually unopposed, some of which they even point out, but he hasn't followed through. This is what tips the Protagonist off that Dantès hasn't gone rogue like he appears.



* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Several Avengers are PutOnABus and officially gone from the story. This is especially gut-wrenching in regards to Jeanne d'Arc Alter and Edmond Dantès who have been with us since the first year of the game, the former being a massive [[invoked]]Ensemble Darkhorse who owes her very existence to Chaldea in some ways, and the latter having a well-established hand in the main plot as our protector from mental attacks.

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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Several Avengers are PutOnABus and officially gone from the story. This is especially gut-wrenching in regards to Jeanne d'Arc Alter and Edmond Dantès who have been with us since the first year of the game, the former being a massive [[invoked]]Ensemble Darkhorse [[invoked]]EnsembleDarkHorse who owes her very existence to Chaldea in some ways, and the latter having a well-established hand in the main plot as our protector from mental attacks.

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: The Complex Breaththrough, and the accompanying Human Order Foundation increase from D to C, canonically take place after Dantès has been defeated. But the animations for them only happen after the player has fully completed the chapter as usual.

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: The Complex Breaththrough, Breakthrough, and the accompanying Human Order Foundation increase from D to C, have their animations play when the chapter is completed as usual. But in this case these canonically take place after Dantès has been defeated. But the animations for them only happen happened after the player has fully completed Protagonist defeated Dantès, and at that point in the chapter as usual.there's still a fair bit of plot and the final battle with Cagliostro to get through.


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* WinsByDoingAbsolutelyNothing: The Human Order Foundation has once again "increased on its own" while Chaldea was sitting on their hands, having no context for [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold Paper Moon]] or [[JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind Id]]. Goredolf irritably lampshades it.

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