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->''"Put in terms of the ideas we've been talking about, if you're really all about the fix-it life, if you're really trying to restore the past, then your only resource will be destruction. Because you cannot truly bring back what's lost; you can only erase what's new, and that's what will cause you to fail. Miguel solves every problem by undoing, by destroying, by tearing down. If [[TrappedInAnotherWorld anomalies]] are the problem, send them back home. If [[ScrewDestiny Miles]] is the problem, shut him down. If [[DefectorFromDecadence Gwen]] is the problem, get rid of her. And if it feels like everything around you is the problem, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then destroy everything around you]]. As is, he can only exist [[KnightTemplar by destroying what is otherwise trying to move forward]], and in that sense, he is a vampire. Sucking life (i.e. growth, newness, change) from everything around him, and he is a predator: instead of human hands which can manipulate the environment and do things, build things, he has claws which cannot do any of that, they can only tear down what's already there.

->''"You can see an aspect of this even in his humor-- [[NotSoAboveItAll and he is funny, by the way]]-- but it's sarcasm, it's insult humor. What few funny moments he has are essentially [[KickTheDog tearing others down, making you feel dumb]]. So the story makes Miguel fail because you cannot be a hero if all you can do is destroy. To adapt one of the greatest lines ever in superhero fiction, [[Film/TheDarkKnight 'You either die the good guy or see yourself live long enough to become the bad guy.']] That is what the story is telling Miguel over and over again with his mom in the comics, and through [[ArcWords the good guy/bad guy motif]] that's all over the movie.

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->''"Put in terms of the ideas we've been talking about, if you're really all about the fix-it life, if you're really trying to restore the past, then your only resource will be destruction. Because you cannot truly bring back what's lost; you can only erase what's new, and that's what will cause you to fail. Miguel solves every problem by undoing, by destroying, by tearing down. If [[TrappedInAnotherWorld anomalies]] are the problem, send them back home. If [[ScrewDestiny Miles]] is the problem, shut him down. If [[DefectorFromDecadence Gwen]] is the problem, get rid of her. And if it feels like everything around you is the problem, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then destroy everything around you]]. As is, he can only exist [[KnightTemplar by destroying what is otherwise trying to move forward]], and in that sense, he is a vampire. Sucking life (i.e. growth, newness, change) from everything around him, and he is a predator: instead of human hands which can manipulate the environment and do things, build things, he has claws which cannot do any of that, they can only tear down what's already there.

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->''"You can see an aspect of this even in his humor-- [[NotSoAboveItAll and he is funny, by the way]]-- but it's sarcasm, it's insult humor. What few funny moments he has are essentially [[KickTheDog tearing others down, making you feel dumb]]. So the story makes Miguel fail because you cannot be a hero if all you can do is destroy. To adapt one of the greatest lines ever in superhero fiction, [[Film/TheDarkKnight 'You either die the good guy or see yourself live long enough to become the bad guy.']] That is what the story is telling Miguel over and over again with his mom in the comics, and through [[ArcWords the good guy/bad guy motif]] that's all over the movie.
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->''"Interestingly enough, the way the story sees this mirrors exactly what Miguel's mother told him in the scene from the comics that I started the video with. As awful of a person as she is, her criticisms of Miguel were valid: he doesn't care, and all he does is tear everything down.\\
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Put in terms of the ideas we've been talking about, if you're really all about the fix-it life, if you're really trying to restore the past, then your only resource will be destruction. Because you cannot truly bring back what's lost; you can only erase what's new, and that's what will cause you to fail. Miguel solves every problem by undoing, by destroying, by tearing down. If anomalies are the problem, send them back home. If Miles is the problem, shut him down. If Gwen is the problem, get rid of her. And if it feels like everything around you is the problem, then destroy everything around you. As is, he can only exist by destroying what is otherwise trying to move forward, and in that sense, he is a vampire. Sucking life (i.e. growth, newness, change) from everything around him, and he is a predator: instead of human hands which can manipulate the environment and do things, build things, he has claws which cannot do any of that, they can only tear down what's already there.\\
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You can see an aspect of this even in his humor-- and he is funny, by the way-- but it's sarcasm, it's insult humor. What few funny moments he has are essentially tearing others down, making you feel dumb. So the story makes Miguel fail because you cannot be a hero if all you can do is destroy. To adapt one of the greatest lines ever in superhero fiction, "You either die the good guy or see yourself live long enough to become the bad guy." That is what the story is telling Miguel over and over again with his mom in the comics, and through the good guy/bad guy motif that's all over the movie.\\
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And we also have Miguel's mom's second issue: he doesn't care. If you're living so much in the past, you will find it hard to care about, to value the present. Simple as that. If the past is setting a standard for a world that is changing and it cannot meet those ideals, then everything is falling short of what it should be, it's all broken, none of it is good enough, none of it really matters. And that is also how he failed: if he had shown more care, if he had not forced the suffering on so many of his Spider-Society members, they wouldn't have turned against him."''

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->''"Interestingly enough, the way the story sees this mirrors exactly what Miguel's mother told him in the scene from [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 the comics comics]] that I started the video with. As [[AbusiveParents awful of a person person]] as she is, [[JerkassHasAPoint her criticisms of Miguel were valid: valid]]: he doesn't care, and all he does is tear everything down.\\
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->''"Put
in terms of the ideas we've been talking about, if you're really all about the fix-it life, if you're really trying to restore the past, then your only resource will be destruction. Because you cannot truly bring back what's lost; you can only erase what's new, and that's what will cause you to fail. Miguel solves every problem by undoing, by destroying, by tearing down. If anomalies [[TrappedInAnotherWorld anomalies]] are the problem, send them back home. If Miles [[ScrewDestiny Miles]] is the problem, shut him down. If Gwen [[DefectorFromDecadence Gwen]] is the problem, get rid of her. And if it feels like everything around you is the problem, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then destroy everything around you. you]]. As is, he can only exist [[KnightTemplar by destroying what is otherwise trying to move forward, forward]], and in that sense, he is a vampire. Sucking life (i.e. growth, newness, change) from everything around him, and he is a predator: instead of human hands which can manipulate the environment and do things, build things, he has claws which cannot do any of that, they can only tear down what's already there.\\
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->''"You
can see an aspect of this even in his humor-- [[NotSoAboveItAll and he is funny, by the way-- way]]-- but it's sarcasm, it's insult humor. What few funny moments he has are essentially [[KickTheDog tearing others down, making you feel dumb.dumb]]. So the story makes Miguel fail because you cannot be a hero if all you can do is destroy. To adapt one of the greatest lines ever in superhero fiction, "You [[Film/TheDarkKnight 'You either die the good guy or see yourself live long enough to become the bad guy." ']] That is what the story is telling Miguel over and over again with his mom in the comics, and through [[ArcWords the good guy/bad guy motif motif]] that's all over the movie.\\
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->''"And
we also have Miguel's mom's second issue: he doesn't care. [[PrinciplesZealot If you're living so much in the past, you will find it hard to care about, to value the present. present.]] Simple as that. If the past is setting a standard for a world that is changing and it cannot meet those ideals, then everything is falling short of what it should be, it's all broken, none of it is good enough, [[DespairEventHorizon none of it really matters. matters]]. And that is also how he failed: if he had shown more care, if he had not forced the suffering on so many of his Spider-Society members, [[BrokenPedestal they wouldn't have turned against him.him]]."''
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->''"Interestingly enough, the way the story sees this mirrors exactly what Miguel's mother told him in the scene from the comics that I started the video with. As awful of a person as she is, her criticisms of Miguel were valid: he doesn't care, and all he does is tear everything down.\\
\\
Put in terms of the ideas we've been talking about, if you're really all about the fix-it life, if you're really trying to restore the past, then your only resource will be destruction. Because you cannot truly bring back what's lost; you can only erase what's new, and that's what will cause you to fail. Miguel solves every problem by undoing, by destroying, by tearing down. If anomalies are the problem, send them back home. If Miles is the problem, shut him down. If Gwen is the problem, get rid of her. And if it feels like everything around you is the problem, then destroy everything around you. As is, he can only exist by destroying what is otherwise trying to move forward, and in that sense, he is a vampire. Sucking life (i.e. growth, newness, change) from everything around him, and he is a predator: instead of human hands which can manipulate the environment and do things, build things, he has claws which cannot do any of that, they can only tear down what's already there.\\
\\
You can see an aspect of this even in his humor-- and he is funny, by the way-- but it's sarcasm, it's insult humor. What few funny moments he has are essentially tearing others down, making you feel dumb. So the story makes Miguel fail because you cannot be a hero if all you can do is destroy. To adapt one of the greatest lines ever in superhero fiction, "You either die the good guy or see yourself live long enough to become the bad guy." That is what the story is telling Miguel over and over again with his mom in the comics, and through the good guy/bad guy motif that's all over the movie.\\
\\
And we also have Miguel's mom's second issue: he doesn't care. If you're living so much in the past, you will find it hard to care about, to value the present. Simple as that. If the past is setting a standard for a world that is changing and it cannot meet those ideals, then everything is falling short of what it should be, it's all broken, none of it is good enough, none of it really matters. And that is also how he failed: if he had shown more care, if he had not forced the suffering on so many of his Spider-Society members, they wouldn't have turned against him."''
-->-- '''[[https://youtu.be/pHXgp46Qskg?feature=shared Schnee]]''' [[DeconstructedCharacterArchetype deconstructs]] this trope in regards to Miguel O' Hara from ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManAcrossTheSpiderVerse''
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-->-- '''Herger the Joyous''', ''Film/The13thWarrior''

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-->-- '''Herger the Joyous''', ''Film/The13thWarrior''
''Film/TheThirteenthWarrior''

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