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->'''Mrs Mason''': In the other cinema there is a dreadful thing called ''Our Painted Daughters''. How they allow such filth onto the screen...
->'''Narrator''': Mrs Mason accepted a glass of a rather young red wine to accompany her salad and continued her condemnation, with the result that the entire company resolved to see ''Our Painted Daughters'' at the earliest opportunity. Even Dot, who was a self-confessed Good Girl, found herself interested.
-->-- Kerry Greenwood, ''[[Literature/PhryneFisher Dead Man's Chest]]''

->'''Huey''': Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that aint funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!
->'''Caesar''': Huey, you forget that most people don't find smiling and joviality as offensive as you do.
-->--''TheBoondocks''

->'''Bender''': You're watching WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}, the show that does not advocate the really cool crime of burglary.
-->--''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"

->'''[[ReformedCriminal Weaver]]''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.
->'''Maggie''': How much money?
-->--''Literature/{{Worm}}'', [[http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/drone-23-4 Drone 23.4]]

->''[[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope We are legally required to tell you that stealing is wrong, and you shouldn't do it]].''

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->'''Mrs Mason''': In the other cinema there is a dreadful thing called ''Our Painted Daughters''. How they allow such filth onto the screen...
->'''Narrator''': Mrs Mason accepted a glass of a rather young red wine to accompany her salad
[[AC:Anime and continued her condemnation, with the result that the entire company resolved to see ''Our Painted Daughters'' at the earliest opportunity. Even Dot, who was a self-confessed Good Girl, found herself interested.
-->-- Kerry Greenwood, ''[[Literature/PhryneFisher Dead Man's Chest]]''

->'''Huey''': Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that aint funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!
->'''Caesar''': Huey, you forget that most people don't find smiling and joviality as offensive as you do.
-->--''TheBoondocks''

->'''Bender''': You're watching WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}, the show that does not advocate the really cool crime of burglary.
-->--''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"

->'''[[ReformedCriminal Weaver]]''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.
->'''Maggie''': How much money?
-->--''Literature/{{Worm}}'', [[http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/drone-23-4 Drone 23.4]]

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->''[[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope We are legally required required]] to tell you that stealing is wrong, and you shouldn't do it]].it.''



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->'''Weaver''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.\\
'''Maggie''': [[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster How much money?]]
-->--''Literature/{{Worm}}'', [[http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/drone-23-4 Drone 23.4]]

->''"There is talk that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended.''"
-->--'''Anthony Swofford''', ''Jarhead''

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->'''Huey''': Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that ain't funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!\\
'''Caesar''': Huey, you forget that most people don't find smiling and joviality as offensive as you do.
-->--''TheBoondocks''

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->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment.... And this is the problem. ''[Eric]'' Saward is writing a critique of violent storytelling, but he has a very muddy sense of where the line is. To constantly push the line as setup to a big about face and moral point requires a meticulous sense of what that line is. And Saward doesn’t have it. He enjoys giggling like a schoolboy at the violence of it all too much."''
-->-- '''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/04/little-green-blobs-in-bonded.html Phil Sandifer]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E4ResurrectionOfTheDaleks}} "Resurrection of the Daleks"]]

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->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment.... And this is the problem. ''[Eric]'' Saward is writing a critique of violent storytelling, but he has a very muddy sense of where the line is. To constantly push the line as setup to a big about face and moral point requires a meticulous sense of what that line is. And Saward doesn’t have it. He enjoys giggling like a schoolboy at the violence of it all too much."''
-->-- '''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/04/little-green-blobs-in-bonded.html Phil Sandifer]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E4ResurrectionOfTheDaleks}} "Resurrection of the Daleks"]]
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->''"Can a video game use shooty gameplay to induce emotions other than visceral joy, or will the intended message inevitably be overlooked by an audience who are probably trying to have fun shooting things?"''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]''' on ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''

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->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment."''
-->-- '''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/04/little-green-blobs-in-bonded.html Phil Sandifer]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E4ResurrectionOfTheDaleks}} "Resurrection of the Daleks"]]



->''"As the camera glides over Joan's gigantic bust and hourglass hips, as it languorously follows the swirls of cigarette smoke toward the ceiling, as the clinking of ice in the glass of someone's midday Canadian Club is lovingly enhanced, you can't help thinking that the creators of this show are indulging in a kind of dramatic having your cake and eating it, too: even as it invites us to be shocked by what it's showing us (a scene people love to talk about is one in which a hugely pregnant Betty lights up a cigarette in a car), it keeps eroticizing what it's showing us, too. For a drama (or book, or whatever) to invite an audience to feel superior to a less enlightened era even as it teases the regressive urges behind the behaviors associated with that era strikes me as the worst possible offense that can be committed in a creative work set in the past: it's simultaneously contemptuous and pandering."''

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->''"As ->I'm pretty sure it was also meant to be ''Smallville''[='=]s entry into the camera glides over Joan's gigantic bust and hourglass hips, as it languorously follows the swirls of cigarette smoke toward the ceiling, as the clinking of ice in the glass of someone's midday Canadian Club is lovingly enhanced, you can't help thinking entertainment cycle surrounding Alcohol Awareness Week. If so, I'm going to suggest that the creators of this show are indulging in a kind of dramatic having your cake point was not so much missed as completely misunderstood and eating it, too: even as it invites us to be shocked by what it's showing us (a scene people love to talk about is one in which a hugely pregnant Betty lights up a cigarette in a car), it keeps eroticizing what it's showing us, too. For trampled upon.
-->--'''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville10-ep15 Julian Finn]]''' on ''Smallville'', "Fortune"

->''"For
a drama (or book, or whatever) to invite an audience to feel superior to a less enlightened era even as it teases the regressive urges behind the behaviors associated with that era strikes me as the worst possible offense that can be committed in a creative work set in the past: it's simultaneously contemptuous and pandering."''



->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism ... It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty about the things they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from those complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; it wants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone on top of a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about how high-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''

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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism ... It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty about the things they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from those complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; it wants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone on top of a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about how [[NewMediaAreEvil high-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''"''



->''"Can a video game use shooty gameplay to induce emotions other than visceral joy, or will the intended message inevitably be overlooked by an audience who are probably trying to have fun shooting things?"''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]''' on ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''

->''"There is talk that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson in Omaha or San Francisco or Manhattan will watch the films and weep and decide once and for all that war is inhumane and terrible, and they will tell their friends at church and their family this, but Corporal Johnson at Camp Pendleton and Sergeant Johnson at Travis Air Force Base and Seaman Johnson at Coronado Naval Station and Spec 4 Johnson at Fort Bragg and Lance Corporal Swofford at Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base watch the same films and are excited by them, because the magic brutality of the films celebrates the terrible and despicable beauty of their fighting skills. Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man; with film you are stroking his cock, tickling his balls with the pink feather of history, getting him ready for his real First Fuck. It doesn't matter how many Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons are antiwar -- the actual killers who know how to use the weapons are not.''"
-->--'''Anthony Swofford''', ''Jarhead''

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->''"Can a video game use shooty gameplay to induce emotions other than visceral joy, or will
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->'''Bender''': You're watching WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}},
the intended message inevitably be overlooked by an audience who are probably trying to have fun shooting things?"''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]''' on ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''

->''"There is talk
show that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that does not advocate the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson in Omaha or San Francisco or Manhattan will watch the films and weep and decide once and for all that war is inhumane and terrible, and they will tell their friends at church and their family this, but Corporal Johnson at Camp Pendleton and Sergeant Johnson at Travis Air Force Base and Seaman Johnson at Coronado Naval Station and Spec 4 Johnson at Fort Bragg and Lance Corporal Swofford at Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base watch the same films and are excited by them, because the magic brutality really cool crime of the films celebrates the terrible and despicable beauty of their fighting skills. Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man; with film you are stroking his cock, tickling his balls with the pink feather of history, getting him ready for his real First Fuck. It doesn't matter how many Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons are antiwar -- the actual killers who know how to use the weapons are not.''"
-->--'''Anthony Swofford''', ''Jarhead''
burglary.
-->--''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"
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-->-- Kerry Greenwood, ''[[PhryneFisher Dead Man's Chest]]''

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-->-- Kerry Greenwood, ''[[PhryneFisher ''[[Literature/PhryneFisher Dead Man's Chest]]''
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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism ... It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty about the things they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from those complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; itwants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone on top of a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about how hi-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''

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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism ... It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty about the things they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from those complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; itwants it wants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone on top of a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about how hi-tech high-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''
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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism....It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty or conflicted about what they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from these complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; wants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone into a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about hi-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''

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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism....vigilantism ... It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty or conflicted about what the things they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from these those complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; wants itwants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone into on top of a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about how hi-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''
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-->--"WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}", "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"

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-->--"WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}", -->--''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"
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->''"There is talk that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson in Omaha or San Francisco or Manhattan will watch the films and weep and decide once and for all that war is inhumane and terrible, and they will tell their friends at church and their family this, but Corporal Johnson at Camp Pendleton and Sergeant Johnson at Travis Air Force Base and Seaman Johnson at Coronado Naval Station and Spec 4 Johnson at Fort Bragg and Lance Corporal Swofford at Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base watch the same films and are excited by them, because the magic brutality of the films celebrates the terrible and despicable beauty of their fighting skills. Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man; with film you are stroking his cock, tickling his balls with the pink feather of history, getting him ready for his real First Fuck. It doesn't matter how many Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons are antiwar -- the actual killers who know how to use the weapons are not."

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->''"There is talk that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson in Omaha or San Francisco or Manhattan will watch the films and weep and decide once and for all that war is inhumane and terrible, and they will tell their friends at church and their family this, but Corporal Johnson at Camp Pendleton and Sergeant Johnson at Travis Air Force Base and Seaman Johnson at Coronado Naval Station and Spec 4 Johnson at Fort Bragg and Lance Corporal Swofford at Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base watch the same films and are excited by them, because the magic brutality of the films celebrates the terrible and despicable beauty of their fighting skills. Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man; with film you are stroking his cock, tickling his balls with the pink feather of history, getting him ready for his real First Fuck. It doesn't matter how many Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons are antiwar -- the actual killers who know how to use the weapons are not."''"
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->''"There is talk that many Vietnam films are antiwar, that the message is war is inhumane and look what happens when you train young American men to fight and kill, they turn their fighting and killing everywhere, they ignore their targets and desecrate the entire country, shooting fully automatic, forgetting they were trained to aim. But actually, Vietnam war films are all pro-war, no matter what the supposed message, what Kubrick or Coppola or Stone intended. Mr. and Mrs. Johnson in Omaha or San Francisco or Manhattan will watch the films and weep and decide once and for all that war is inhumane and terrible, and they will tell their friends at church and their family this, but Corporal Johnson at Camp Pendleton and Sergeant Johnson at Travis Air Force Base and Seaman Johnson at Coronado Naval Station and Spec 4 Johnson at Fort Bragg and Lance Corporal Swofford at Twentynine Palms Marine Corps Base watch the same films and are excited by them, because the magic brutality of the films celebrates the terrible and despicable beauty of their fighting skills. Fight, rape, war, pillage, burn. Filmic images of death and carnage are pornography for the military man; with film you are stroking his cock, tickling his balls with the pink feather of history, getting him ready for his real First Fuck. It doesn't matter how many Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons are antiwar -- the actual killers who know how to use the weapons are not."
-->--'''Anthony Swofford''', ''Jarhead''
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-->--'''DenisLeary''', ''No Cure for Cancer''

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-->--'''DenisLeary''', -->--'''Creator/DenisLeary''', ''No Cure for Cancer''
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->''"Can a video game use shooty gameplay to induce emotions other than visceral joy, or will the intended message inevitably be overlooked by an audience who are probably trying to have fun shooting things?"''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]]''' on ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''
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->''"It wants to have [[BlackAndGreyMorality morally-grey characters]] and tell a story critical of Aiden's own vigilantism....It wants to make a point about how these characters feel conflicted or guilty or conflicted about what they do, and weirdly sympathetic moments come from these complications. But the other half the game really wants to be like Batman. It wants to have villains who [[CardCarryingVillain laugh maniacally]]; wants to make the experience off being Aiden into this [[HollywoodNerd cool guy power fantasy]] about having gadget-y superpowers, while also ham-fisting in a science fiction overtone into a world which is played fairly realistically. It wants to convey a message about hi-tech surveillance [[NewMediaAreEvil is creepy and evil]], even though you end up using high-tech surveillance to fight crimes ''way'' better than [[PoliceAreUseless the cops can fight crimes.]]"''
-->-- '''George Weidman''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILVX9W3vRY on]] ''VideoGame/WatchDogs''
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->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment.... And this is the problem.''[Eric]'' Saward is writing a critique of violent storytelling, but he has a very muddy sense of where the line is. To constantly push the line as setup to a big about face and moral point requires a meticulous sense of what that line is. And Saward doesn’t have it. He enjoys giggling like a schoolboy at the violence of it all too much."''

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->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment.... And this is the problem. ''[Eric]'' Saward is writing a critique of violent storytelling, but he has a very muddy sense of where the line is. To constantly push the line as setup to a big about face and moral point requires a meticulous sense of what that line is. And Saward doesn’t have it. He enjoys giggling like a schoolboy at the violence of it all too much."''

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->"So the message here is, doing drugs gets you chicks."
-->-- '''[[Podcast/RiffTrax Rifftrax Live]], Film/ReeferMadness'''

->"'This franchise will never willfully disrespect, intentionally or otherwise, [the] memory and service [of military personnel].' Serious words delivered with humility, but still words from a man who at some point during the game's development sat in a meeting where someone said, 'Yes, let's have a quad-bike level.'"
-->-- Eurogamer review of ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' (2010)

->"It can be argued, for instance, that war is grotesque. But in truth war is also beauty. For all its horror, you can't help but gape at the awful majesty of combat. You stare out at tracer rounds unwinding through the dark like brilliant red ribbons. You crouch in ambush as a cool, impassive moon rises over the nighttime paddies. You admire the fluid symmetries of troops on the move, the harmonies of sound and shape and proportion, the great sheets of metal-fire streaming down from a gunship, the illumination rounds, the white phosphorus, the purply orange glow of napalm, the rocket's red glare. It's not pretty, exactly. It's astonishing. It fills the eye. It commands you. You hate it, yes, but your eyes do not. Like a killer forest fire, like cancer under a microscope, any battle or bombing raid or artillery barrage has the aesthetic purity of absolute moral indifference - a powerful, implacable beauty - and a true war story will tell you the truth about this, though the truth is ugly."
-->-- Tim O'Brien, ''Literature/TheThingsTheyCarried''

->''"It doesn't matter how big the warnings on the cigarettes are; you could have a black pack, with a skull and crossbones on the front, called TUMORS, and smokers would be around the block going, 'I can't wait to get my hands on these fucking things! I bet ya get a tumor as soon as you light up!'"''
-->--'''DenisLeary''', ''No Cure for Cancer''



->''"But, the moralists will howl, this makes crime look glamorous and rewarding! Well guess what? Crime ''is'' rewarding, and if you can do it on a big enough scale, you can even buy some glamour. So why are you shooting the messenger?"''

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->''"So the message here is, doing drugs gets you chicks!"''
-->-- '''[[Podcast/RiffTrax Rifftrax Live]], Film/ReeferMadness'''

->''"Stein goes down [[FacingTheBulletsOneLiner with a snarky one-liner]] about the Daleks being just in time for the fun before he suicides to destroy them all. ''[Lawrence]'' Miles and ''[Tat]'' Wood describe it as '[[RatedMForManly adolescent]],' but that’s not the real problem. The problem is that it’s macho action movie posturing of the most stereotypical kind. In other words, it’s exactly the sort of thing the story is supposedly critiquing. And yet in this scene it’s played as a big, cathartic moment.... And this is the problem.''[Eric]'' Saward is writing a critique of violent storytelling, but he has a very muddy sense of where the line is. To constantly push the line as setup to a big about face and moral point requires a meticulous sense of what that line is. And Saward doesn’t have it. He enjoys giggling like a schoolboy at the violence of it all too much."''
-->-- '''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/04/little-green-blobs-in-bonded.html Phil Sandifer]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E4ResurrectionOfTheDaleks}} "Resurrection of the Daleks"]]

->''"It doesn't matter how big the warnings on the cigarettes are; you could have a black pack, with a skull and crossbones on the front, called TUMORS, and smokers would be around the block going, 'I can't wait to get my hands on these fucking things! I bet ya get a tumor as soon as you light up!'"''
-->--'''DenisLeary''', ''No Cure for Cancer''

->''"But, the moralists will howl, this makes crime look glamorous and rewarding! Well guess what? Crime ''is'' rewarding, and if you can do it on a big enough scale, you can even [[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster buy some glamour. glamour.]] So why are you shooting the messenger?"''
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->''"As the camera glides over Joan's gigantic bust and hourglass hips, as it languorously follows the swirls of cigarette smoke toward the ceiling, as the clinking of ice in the glass of someone's midday Canadian Club is lovingly enhanced, you can't help thinking that the creators of this show are indulging in a kind of dramatic having your cake and eating it, too: even as it invites us to be shocked by what it's showing us (a scene people love to talk about is one in which a hugely pregnant Betty lights up a cigarette in a car), it keeps eroticizing what it's showing us, too. For a drama (or book, or whatever) to invite an audience to feel superior to a less enlightened era even as it teases the regressive urges behind the behaviors associated with that era strikes me as the worst possible offense that can be committed in a creative work set in the past: it's simultaneously contemptuous and pandering."''
-->-- '''[[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/feb/24/mad-men-account/?pagination=false Daniel Mendelsohn]]''', "The Series/MadMen Account"
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->''"But, the moralists will howl, this makes crime look glamorous and rewarding! Well guess what? Crime ''is'' rewarding, and if you can do it on a big enough scale, you can even buy some glamour. So why are you shooting the messenger?"''
-->-- '''[[http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/01/misdirected-outrage-wolf-wall-street.html Yves Smith]]''', "The Misdirected Outrage Over Film/TheWolfOfWallStreet"
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-->--'''Denis Leary''', ''No Cure for Cancer''

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-->-- {{Eurogamer}} review of ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' (2010)

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->'''[[ReformedCriminal Weaver]]''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.'''

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->'''[[ReformedCriminal Weaver]]''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.'''
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-->--''LightNovel/OkamiSanAndHerSevenCompanions'' (while Ryoshi is rifling through a boy's bag)

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->''[[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope We are legally required to tell you that stealing is wrong, and you shouldn't do it]].''
-->--''LightNovel/OkamiSanAndHerSevenCompanions'' (while Ryoshi is rifling through a boy's bag)
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->'''[[ReformedCriminal Weaver]]''': It’s the same, being a villain. I went there, I did that for a few months. Risked my life, hurt people, made an incredible amount of money, but I look back, and it wasn’t worth it. I value the people I got to know and love far more than I do the money, the power, the fame. They’re the only thing I regret leaving behind.'''
->'''Maggie''': How much money?
-->--''Literature/{{Worm}}'', [[http://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/drone-23-4 Drone 23.4]]
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->'''Huey''':Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that aint funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!

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->'''Bender''': You're watching WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}, the show that does not advocate the really cool crime of burglary.
-->--"WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}", "Bender Should Not Be Allowed On Television"
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-->-- Tim O'Brien, ''TheThingsTheyCarried''

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-->-- {{Eurogamer}} review of ''MedalOfHonor'' (2010)

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-->-- {{Eurogamer}} review of ''MedalOfHonor'' ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' (2010)
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-->-- '''[[RiffTrax Rifftrax Live]], Film/ReeferMadness'''

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-->--'''The Boondocks'''

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->'''Huey'':Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that aint funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!
->'''Caesar'': Huey, you forget that most people don't find smiling and joviality as offensive as you do.

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->'''Huey'':Tell ->'''Huey''':Tell 'em that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as tobacco or alcohol, but it will make you say stupid things and laugh at stuff that aint funny. That's a very good reason not to use it!
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->'''Caesar'': Huey, you forget that most people don't find smiling and joviality as offensive as you do.
-->--'''The Boondocks'''
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->'''Mrs Mason''': In the other cinema there is a dreadful thing called ''Our Painted Daughters''. How they allow such filth onto the screen...
->'''Narrator''': Mrs Mason accepted a glass of a rather young red wine to accompany her salad and continued her condemnation, with the result that the entire company resolved to see ''Our Painted Daughters'' at the earliest opportunity. Even Dot, who was a self-confessed Good Girl, found herself interested.
-->-- Kerry Greenwood, ''[[PhryneFisher Dead Man's Chest]]''
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-->-- '''[[RiffTrax Rifftrax Live]], ReeferMadness'''

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