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* '''Conversed''': "See, if TropeCo were a real company, they'd never succeed, because they keep promoting people into management who really don't know what they're doing."
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* '''Conversed''': "See, if TropeCo TropeCo/TropeCo were a real company, they'd never succeed, because they keep promoting people into management who really don't know what they're doing."
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"Oh, ''that'' explains why I hate working for her. Alice is one of those brilliant salespeople that have no idea how to manage other salespeople."
* '''Conversed''':???"See, if TropeCo were a real company, they'd never succeed, because they keep promoting people into management who really don't know what they're doing."
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** Alice goes from a middle manager to a small business owner. She does a decent job, but the lack of oversight results in her macking poor decision that would have been repealed at her old job.
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** Alice goes from a middle manager to a small business owner. She does a decent job, but the lack of oversight results in her macking making poor decision decisions that would have been repealed at her old job.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice was a decent Corporate Vice President, but is a failure as a CEO.
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** Alice was a decent Corporate Vice President, but is a failure as aCEO.CEO.
** Alice goes from a middle manager to a small business owner. She does a decent job, but the lack of oversight results in her macking poor decision that would have been repealed at her old job.
** Alice was a decent Corporate Vice President, but is a failure as a
** Alice goes from a middle manager to a small business owner. She does a decent job, but the lack of oversight results in her macking poor decision that would have been repealed at her old job.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business of her own.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run decent Corporate Vice President, but is a business of her own.failure as a CEO.
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** Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''do'' work at higher strata.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs, PromotedToScapegoat, or maybe both.
** Alice got her job [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections because of who she knew, not what she knew]], and it shows.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs, PromotedToScapegoat, or maybe both.
** Alice got her job [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections because of who she knew, not what she knew]], and it shows.
** Alice's position did not involve leadership.
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* '''Subverted''':
** Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it. (All because Bob quit, and TropeCo/TropeCo couldn't afford to hire a new person, but they absolutely ''needed'' someone in that role.)
** Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it. (All because Bob quit, and TropeCo/TropeCo couldn't afford to hire a new person, but they absolutely ''needed'' someone in that role.)
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* '''Subverted''':
**'''Subverted''': Alice initially struggles with her duties but quickly gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it. (All because Bob quit, and TropeCo/TropeCo couldn't afford to hire a new person, but they absolutely ''needed'' someone in that role.)the hang of things.
**
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it. (All because Bob quit, and TropeCo/TropeCo couldn't afford to hire a new person, but they absolutely ''needed'' someone in that role.)
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** Alice is unemployed.
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* '''Exploited''':
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent from the beginning, but, for whatever reason(s), can't be fired. So, management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on.]]
** Alice is PromotedToScapegoat.
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent from the beginning, but, for whatever reason(s), can't be fired. So, management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on.]]
** Alice is PromotedToScapegoat.
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* '''Exploited''':
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent from the beginning, but, for whatever reason(s), can't be fired. So, management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on.]]
**'''Exploited''': Alice is PromotedToScapegoat.
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent from the beginning, but, for whatever reason(s), can't be fired. So, management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on.]]
**
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** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
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** Alice is not used to seeing the bigger picture. She focuses on micro-managing her employees and fails to see the poor direction her department is going.
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* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
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* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.begins ObfuscatingStupidity, so that management will have to demote her or fire her, because she didn't want this position in the first place.
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** Alice begins ObfuscatingStupidity, so that management will have to demote her or fire her, because she didn't want this position in the first place.
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** Alice's aggressive approach worked wonders for grunt labour, but as a manager it intimidates and alienates the people under her.
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** Alice's aggressive approach worked wonders for grunt labour, but as a manager it intimidates and alienates the people under her.
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** Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
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** Alice handles her new position well.
** Alice does not getpromoted InUniverse.promoted.
** Alice does not get
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* '''Straight''': Alice gets promoted up to an upper-middle-management position at TropeCo/TropeCo. She finds that she is stressed, overwhelmed, and can no longer meet deadlines.
* '''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns into IncompetenceInc.
* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business of her own.
* '''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns into IncompetenceInc.
* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business of her own.
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* '''Straight''': Alice gets promoted up to an upper-middle-management position at TropeCo/TropeCo. TropeCo/TropeCo She finds that she is stressed, overwhelmed, and can no longer meet deadlines.
* '''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns intoIncompetenceInc.
IncompetenceInc
* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business of her own.
* '''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns into
* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business of her own.
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** Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs or PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice got her job because of ''who'' she knew, not ''what'' she knew, and it shows.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs or PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice got her job because of ''who'' she knew, not ''what'' she knew, and it shows.
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** Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
''do'' work at higher strata.
** Alice wasKickedUpstairs KickedUpstairs, PromotedToScapegoat, or PromotedToScapegoat.
maybe both.
** Alice got her job [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections because of''who'' who she knew, not ''what'' what she knew, knew]], and it shows. shows.
** Alice was
** Alice got her job [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections because of
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Some people do well when they're promoted, others don't.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Some people do well when they're promoted, others don't.
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* '''Parodied''': ???
The company pays to have a brick wall built in every newly promoted employee's office.
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** Some people do well when they're promoted, othersdon't. don't.
** Alice messes up at first, then works her way toward getting the hang of her new job until a new wrinkle arises that she doesn't know how to resolve at first, but then she works her way through it and makes the situation even better than before.
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** Some people do well when they're promoted, others
** Alice messes up at first, then works her way toward getting the hang of her new job until a new wrinkle arises that she doesn't know how to resolve at first, but then she works her way through it and makes the situation even better than before.
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* '''Lampshaded''': "I am just not cut out for this whole "management" thing..."
* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
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* '''Lampshaded''': "I am just not cut out for this whole "management" 'management' thing..."
* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
* '''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
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** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
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** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for from the beginning, but, for whatever reason(s)) reason(s), can't be fired. So So, management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]]. on.]]
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** Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of 'em.
** Alice quits.
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns it down.
** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of 'em.
** Alice quits.
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns it down.
** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
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** Alice's incompetence gets her fired new manager fires (or at least demoted) by demotes) her new manager.
for her incompetence.
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of'em.
'em.
** Alicequits.
quits.
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns itdown.
down.
** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of
** Alice
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns it
** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
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* '''Justified''': Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
** Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
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* '''Inverted''': Alice was ''completely'' incompetent in her old job, but [[CareerBuildingBlunder somehow gets promoted]], and (much to everyone's surprise) not only manages to survive in the new position, but ''thrive''.
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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
** Alice was ''completely'' incompetent in her old job, but [[CareerBuildingBlunder somehow gets promoted]], and (much to everyone's surprise) not only manages to survive in the new position, but ''thrive''.
** Alice was ''completely'' incompetent in her old job, but [[CareerBuildingBlunder somehow gets promoted]], and (much to everyone's surprise) not only manages to survive in the new position, but ''thrive''.
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* '''Subverted''': Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
** Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
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* '''Double Subverted''': She is promoted again, and this time begins to fail.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
** She is promoted again, and this time begins to fail.
** She is promoted again, and this time begins to fail.
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* '''Averted''': Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
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* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
** Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
** Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
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* '''Exploited''': [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
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* '''Exploited''': '''Exploited''':
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
** [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
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* '''Defied''': Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
** Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
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* '''Conversed''': ??????
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* '''Basic Trope''': Characters are promoted up to a level where they are no longer competent at what they do, and stay there.
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** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it.
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** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it. (All because Bob quit, and TropeCo/TropeCo couldn't afford to hire a new person, but they absolutely ''needed'' someone in that role.)
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business.business of her own.
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** Months or years go by, and Alice's Cupcakery is failing miserably. It's costing her way more money to run it than she makes in profit, and no one is especially wowed by her cupcakes. ([[LethalChef Perhaps they even completely suck]].) Rather than try to stick it out any longer, she closes up shop, and [[StatusQuoIsGod gets an office job just like the one she left]].
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake truck.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice quits her corporate job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake truck.bakery. She finds that while she was a ''great'' employee, she just doesn't have what it takes to run a business.
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*'''Basic Trope''': Characters are promoted up to a level where they are no longer competent at what they do, and stay there.
*'''Straight''': Alice gets promoted up to an upper-middle-management position at TropeCo/TropeCo. She finds that she is stressed, overwhelmed, and can no longer meet deadlines.
*'''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns into IncompetenceInc.
*'''Downplayed''': Alice quits her job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake truck.
*'''Justified''': Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs or PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice got her job because of ''who'' she knew, not ''what'' she knew, and it shows.
*'''Inverted''': Alice was ''completely'' incompetent in her old job, but [[CareerBuildingBlunder somehow gets promoted]], and (much to everyone's surprise) not only manages to survive in the new position, but ''thrive''.
** Alice gets demoted because of her incompetence, and does much better in that position.
** Alice gets demoted because she's ''too'' good at what she does, and ends up doing poorly in her lower position.
*'''Subverted''': Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it.
*'''Double Subverted''': She is promoted again, and this time begins to fail.
** The extra workload is too much for Alice, and she becomes disengaged as she begins to feel overworked and underappreciated. And soon enough, it begins to show in the quality of her work.
*'''Parodied''': ???
*'''Zig Zagged''': Some people do well when they're promoted, others don't.
*'''Averted''': Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
** Alice is unemployed.
*'''Enforced''': "We want to have Alice KickedUpstairs, and possibly demoted because StatusQuoIsGod."
*'''Lampshaded''': "I am just not cut out for this whole "management" thing..."
*'''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
*'''Exploited''': [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
** Alice is PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice begins ObfuscatingStupidity, so that management will have to demote her or fire her, because she didn't want this position in the first place.
*'''Defied''': Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of 'em.
** Alice quits.
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns it down.
*'''Discussed''': ???
*'''Conversed''': ???
*'''Straight''': Alice gets promoted up to an upper-middle-management position at TropeCo/TropeCo. She finds that she is stressed, overwhelmed, and can no longer meet deadlines.
*'''Exaggerated''': ''So'' many people have been promoted to positions for which they are not suited that it turns into IncompetenceInc.
*'''Downplayed''': Alice quits her job to pursue her LifelongDream of running a cupcake truck.
*'''Justified''': Skills and talents that served Alice well in positions lower down the corporate ladder are no longer useful, and she doesn't ''have'' the skills and talents that ''are''.
** Alice was KickedUpstairs or PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice got her job because of ''who'' she knew, not ''what'' she knew, and it shows.
*'''Inverted''': Alice was ''completely'' incompetent in her old job, but [[CareerBuildingBlunder somehow gets promoted]], and (much to everyone's surprise) not only manages to survive in the new position, but ''thrive''.
** Alice gets demoted because of her incompetence, and does much better in that position.
** Alice gets demoted because she's ''too'' good at what she does, and ends up doing poorly in her lower position.
*'''Subverted''': Alice gets KickedUpstairs, seemingly at random, and does quite well.
** Alice receives a NonPromotion: they gave her a bullshit title, and maybe moved her from a cubicle to an office with a door, but she's ultimately doing someone else's work plus her own with nothing to show for it.
*'''Double Subverted''': She is promoted again, and this time begins to fail.
** The extra workload is too much for Alice, and she becomes disengaged as she begins to feel overworked and underappreciated. And soon enough, it begins to show in the quality of her work.
*'''Parodied''': ???
*'''Zig Zagged''': Some people do well when they're promoted, others don't.
*'''Averted''': Alice does not get promoted InUniverse.
** Alice is unemployed.
*'''Enforced''': "We want to have Alice KickedUpstairs, and possibly demoted because StatusQuoIsGod."
*'''Lampshaded''': "I am just not cut out for this whole "management" thing..."
*'''Invoked''': Alice is KickedUpstairs.
*'''Exploited''': [[TheDilbertPrinciple Alice was incompetent to begin with, but (for whatever reason(s)) can't be fired. So management makes up a bullshit title for Alice, where her blundering won't interfere with the real work that's going on]].
** Alice is PromotedToScapegoat.
** Alice begins ObfuscatingStupidity, so that management will have to demote her or fire her, because she didn't want this position in the first place.
*'''Defied''': Alice's incompetence gets her fired (or at least demoted) by her new manager.
** Alice does what she can to learn the skills needed for the new job, and soon enough, she can hang with the best of 'em.
** Alice quits.
** Alice ''knows'' she doesn't have what it takes to do this job, so when she's offered the promotion, she turns it down.
*'''Discussed''': ???
*'''Conversed''': ???
