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** Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the universe into innumerable little pieces]].
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** Killing Hitler even a fraction of a second early causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the universe into innumerable little pieces]].
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* '''Justified''': In the absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator took over the regime and caused the Allies even more trouble.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** In the absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator took over the regime and caused the Allies even more trouble.
** In the absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator took over the regime and caused the Allies even more trouble.
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** A character from an [[AlternateUniverse alternate timeline]] goes back in time to kill some significantly despotic German chancellor who never came to power in our own timeline, but this act enables a much worse figure, ''Hitler himself'', to come to power, thus creating our own timeline.
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** A character from an [[AlternateUniverse alternate timeline]] goes back in time to kill some significantly despotic German chancellor who never came to power in our own timeline, but this act enables a much worse figure, ''Hitler himself'', to come to power, thus creating our own timeline.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob visited and he never showed up, much less tried to kill Hitler. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations and other terms and conditions that helped lead to the Nazis' rise.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame period Bob visited and he never showed shows up, much less tried tries to kill Hitler. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations and other terms and conditions that helped lead to the Nazis' rise.
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** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin goes with his original plan to wait things out, which leads to a UsefulNotes/ColdWar between Capitalists and Communists.
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** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing surely, conquering territory via well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin goes with his original plan to wait things out, which leads to a UsefulNotes/ColdWar between Capitalists and Communists.
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** All time machines have a prominently placed placard saying "'''No Murdering Hitler'''" in big red letters.
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** All time machines have a prominently placed placard saying "'''No Murdering Hitler'''" "'''[[red:NO MURDERING HITLER]]'''" in big red letters.
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "BeamMeUpScotty" actually being said in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used widely used keyboard layout, the line "BeamMeUpScotty" actually being said in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler.]]
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** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt learned that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler.]]
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol. In fact, [[GambitPileup the Time Police is also using this as a means to prevent them from changing it themselves.]]
** But, knowing that killing Hitler will make things so, so much worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
** ...Which is why the time traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see whether it did.
** But, knowing that killing Hitler will make things so, so much worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
** ...Which is why the time traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see whether it did.
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*** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol. In fact, [[GambitPileup the Time Police is also using this as a means to prevent them from changing it themselves.]]
** *** But, knowing that killing Hitler will make things so, so much worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
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*** ...Which is why the time traveler could change their mind and instead doexactly just that. All they needed to know was just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see whether it did.did.
*** Or they can appeal to TheNeedsOfTheMany to assuage their own conscience, if nobody else's.
*** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol. In fact, [[GambitPileup the Time Police is also using this as a means to prevent them from changing it themselves.]]
*** ...Which is why the time traveler could change their mind and instead do
*** Or they can appeal to TheNeedsOfTheMany to assuage their own conscience, if nobody else's.
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** WW2 caused a war between our TimePolice [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory and the Zeitkorps]]. The latter were eventually defeated but [[PyrrhicVictory that area of the timeline is an utter mess and the travesties cannot be prevented]] without [[HereWeGoAgain reviving the Zeitkorps.]]
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** WW2 [=WW2=] caused a war between our TimePolice [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory and the Zeitkorps]]. The latter were eventually defeated but [[PyrrhicVictory that area of the timeline is an utter mess and the travesties cannot be prevented]] without [[HereWeGoAgain reviving the Zeitkorps.]]
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** WW2 caused a war between our TimePolice [[AlternateHistoryNaziVictory and the Zeitkorps]]. The latter were eventually defeated but [[PyrrhicVictory that area of the timeline is an utter mess and the travesties cannot be prevented]] without [[HereWeGoAgain reviving the Zeitkorps.]]
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** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt early causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
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** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt early causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find that Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.crater, and [[IronicHell the rest of the German Reich split amongst the French, the Polish, and an Israeli satellite state]].
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** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, members of the TimePolice [[UnPerson disappear]] and/or [[LaserGuidedAmnesia brainwash]] them just in case.
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** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, members of the TimePolice [[UnPerson disappear]] and/or [[LaserGuidedAmnesia brainwash]] mind-wipe]] them just in case.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, but the murder just spurs Britain and its allies into attacking sooner.
** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill early, but the murder just spurs Britain and its allies into attacking Germany sooner.
** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt early causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt early causes the United States to enter the war much sooner and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis return to their present, they find Berlin has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob visited and he never showed up, much less tried to kill Hitler. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations that helped lead to the Nazis' rise.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob visited and he never showed up, much less tried to kill Hitler. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations and other terms and conditions that helped lead to the Nazis' rise.
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** All time machines have a prominently placed placard saying "[[AC:No Murdering Hitler]]" in big red letters.
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** All time machines have a prominently placed placard saying "[[AC:No "'''No Murdering Hitler]]" Hitler'''" in big red letters.
** Alice goes back in time to kill Hitler early, comes back to her time to see the adverse effects it's caused, and goes back in time to save him from herself. But she can't bring herself to follow through on that...
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** But knowing that killing Hitler will make things a billion times worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
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** But But, knowing that killing Hitler will make things a billion times so, so much worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
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* '''Played for Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar. [[TemporalMutability Which in turn]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog creates yet another timeline or universe]].
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* '''Played for Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar. [[TemporalMutability Which in turn]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog creates yet another timeline or universe]].universe.]]
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]] ... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he a failed artist or something?
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]] ...Act]]. ... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he a failed artist or something?
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler ... on Tierra del Fuego at the southern tip of South America, meaning it would take at least a week to get to Europe).
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler ... on Tierra del Fuego at the southern tip of South America, meaning it would take at least a week to get to Europe).Europe. And if they try to jump one week earlier to prevent this offset, the machine just dumps them in the South Pole one week ''after'' the planned date for Hitler's assassination).
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* '''Played for Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar.
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* '''Played for Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar. [[TemporalMutability Which in turn]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog creates yet another timeline or universe]].
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** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, members of the TimePolice disappear and/or brainwash them just in case.
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** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, members of the TimePolice disappear [[UnPerson disappear]] and/or brainwash [[LaserGuidedAmnesia brainwash]] them just in case.
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** Killing Hitler makes the war three days longer and causes the moon landing to be delayed by a year.
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** Killing Hitler early makes the war in Europe three days longer and causes the moon landing to be delayed by a year.
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** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler.]]
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** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler.]]
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** ...Which is why the Time Traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see whether it did.
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** ...Which is why the Time Traveler time traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see whether it did.
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* '''Played For Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar.
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* '''Played For for Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol. In fact, [[GambitPileup the Time Police is also using this as a means to prevent them from changing it themselves.]]
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** But knowing that killing Hitler will make things a billion times worse, all the Time Police can do is knuckle down and continue to perform their duty.
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* '''Played For Horror''': Every attempt at killing Hitler causes an AlternateUniverse in which he escalates his atrocities in retaliation, to the point that the time traveller eventually [[DrivenToSuicide blows their brains out]] when they discover that the Nazis wiped out all of the inhabitants of France or something similar.
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** Whatever other rules of time travel are followed by the tale, it is impossible to do anything to Hitler -- you can do literally anything else, prevent Pompeii from going off and dinosaurs from going extinct, turn Genghis Khan into a geek so colossal that ''Film/TheConqueror'' could have been filmed with Creator/WoodyAllen, strangle Stalin in his crib, help Napoleon win at Waterloo, turn Richard Nixon into a used car salesman and Ronald Reagan a multiple winner of UsefulNotes/TheEGOTs, but time travellers may as well just avoid going anywhere between April 20 of 1889 and April 30 of 1945.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, they are disappeared or brainwashed by members of the TimePolice just in case.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, they are disappeared or brainwashed by members of the TimePolice just in case.
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** Whatever other rules of time travel are followed by the tale, it is impossible to do anything to Hitler -- you Hitler. You can do literally anything else, prevent Pompeii from going off and dinosaurs from going extinct, turn Genghis Khan UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan into a geek so colossal that ''Film/TheConqueror'' could have been filmed with Creator/WoodyAllen, strangle Stalin UsefulNotes/JosefStalin in his crib, help Napoleon UsefulNotes/{{Napoleon|Bonaparte}} win at Waterloo, turn Richard Nixon UsefulNotes/RichardNixon into [[RichardNixonTheUsedCarSalesman a used car salesman salesman]] and Ronald Reagan UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan a multiple winner of UsefulNotes/TheEGOTs, but time travellers may as well just avoid going anywhere between April 20 of 20, 1889 and April 30 of 30, 1945.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not,they are disappeared or brainwashed by members of the TimePolice disappear and/or brainwash them just in case.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not,
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations that would have led to the Nazis' rise.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to visited and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. kill Hitler. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations that would have led helped lead to the Nazis' rise.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the universe into innumerable little pieces]].
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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
** Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the universe into innumerable littlepieces]].pieces]].
** Whatever other rules of time travel are followed by the tale, it is impossible to do anything to Hitler -- you can do literally anything else, prevent Pompeii from going off and dinosaurs from going extinct, turn Genghis Khan into a geek so colossal that ''Film/TheConqueror'' could have been filmed with Creator/WoodyAllen, strangle Stalin in his crib, help Napoleon win at Waterloo, turn Richard Nixon into a used car salesman and Ronald Reagan a multiple winner of UsefulNotes/TheEGOTs, but time travellers may as well just avoid going anywhere between April 20 of 1889 and April 30 of 1945.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, they are disappeared or brainwashed by members of the TimePolice just in case.
** Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the universe into innumerable little
** Whatever other rules of time travel are followed by the tale, it is impossible to do anything to Hitler -- you can do literally anything else, prevent Pompeii from going off and dinosaurs from going extinct, turn Genghis Khan into a geek so colossal that ''Film/TheConqueror'' could have been filmed with Creator/WoodyAllen, strangle Stalin in his crib, help Napoleon win at Waterloo, turn Richard Nixon into a used car salesman and Ronald Reagan a multiple winner of UsefulNotes/TheEGOTs, but time travellers may as well just avoid going anywhere between April 20 of 1889 and April 30 of 1945.
** Any time someone thinks of killing Hitler, whether they are actually capable of time travel or not, they are disappeared or brainwashed by members of the TimePolice just in case.
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**A character from an [[AlternateUniverse alternate timeline]] goes back in time to kill some significantly despotic German chancellor who never came to power in our own timeline, but this act enables a much worse figure, ''Hitler himself'', to come to power, thus creating our own timeline.
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''did'' kill Hitler ''without'' time travel, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld since he was already alive back in World War II]] [[BeenThereShapedHistory and made it look like the suicide history knows it as]].
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve Charlie, one of the founding members, to answer that he ''did'' kill Hitler ''without'' time travel, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld since he was already alive back in World War II]] [[BeenThereShapedHistory and made it look like the suicide history knows it as]].
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** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing FDR causes the United States to not only come into the war much sooner but also causes the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis arrive to the future, they find Berlin turned into an irradiated crater.
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** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing FDR UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt causes the United States to not only come into enter the war much sooner but also causes and inspires the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis arrive return to the future, their present, they find Berlin turned into has been reduced to an irradiated crater.
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** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things out, which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''did'' kill Hitler ''without'' time travel, [[BeenThereShapedHistory since he was already alive back in World War II and made it look like the suicide history knows it as]].
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''did'' kill Hitler ''without'' time travel, [[BeenThereShapedHistory [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld since he was already alive back in World War II II]] [[BeenThereShapedHistory and made it look like the suicide history knows it as]].
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** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed him during, for example, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and have a reasonable doubt.
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** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed him during, for example, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and have a reasonable doubt.
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** Exaggerated Inversion: Killing FDR causes the United States to not only come into the war much sooner but also causes the Manhattan Project to be developed much earlier. When the neo-Nazis arrive to the future, they find Berlin turned into an irradiated crater.
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* '''Straight''': Killing Hitler before he commits suicide on April 30, 1945, causes UsefulNotes/WorldWarII to be longer and bloodier.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills one or more of the anti-Axis countries' leaders early -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, etc. -- but the murder(s) just spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills one or more of the anti-Axis countries' leaders early -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, etc. -- but the murder(s) murder just spur(s) the Allies spurs Britain and its allies into attacking sooner.
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** However, that allows UsefulNotes/JosefStalin[='=]s power to run unchecked, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert and he invades the now-peaceful Europe]] [[DirtyCommunists with no less brutality than Hitler would]].
** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things out which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.
** Bob's attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things out which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.
** Bob's attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
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** However, that allows UsefulNotes/JosefStalin[='=]s UsefulNotes/JosefStalin's power to run unchecked, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert and he invades the now-peaceful Europe]] [[DirtyCommunists with no less brutality than Hitler would]].
** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait thingsout out, which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.
** Bob's attackon Hitler only left him Hitler NotQuiteDead.
** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things
** Bob's attack
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** Killing Hitler prevents the National Socialist German Workers' Party from taking power in that country. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more military casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
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** Killing Hitler prevents the National Socialist German Workers' Nazi Party from taking power in that country.Germany. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more military casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders allof his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].Hitler.]]
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all
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* '''Exploited''': People use the "killing Hitler" gimmick as a way to lure [[TheDitz dumb people]] onto a time machine and dump them somewhere where they would make very little ripples.
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* '''Exploited''': People use the "killing Hitler" gimmick as a way to lure [[TheDitz dumb people]] onto a time machine and dump them somewhere where they would make very little ripples.the least ripples possible.
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** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit in Nazi Germany's multifarious crimes (and its agents are well aware of that), the agents assigned to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind and are very prone to suffer from [[TheAlcoholic alcoholism]] and/or nervous breakdowns.
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** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit in Nazi Germany's multifarious crimes (and its agents are well aware of that), the agents assigned to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind and are very prone to suffer from [[TheAlcoholic alcoholism]] and/or nervous breakdowns.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt Neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt Neo-Nazis]] neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill their idol.
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** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader ... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him early]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him early]].
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** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader ... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
place.]]
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill himearly]].early.]]
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''already'' killed Hitler ''without'' time travel, since he was already alive back in World War II and made it look like the suicide history knows it as.
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''already'' killed ''did'' kill Hitler ''without'' time travel, [[BeenThereShapedHistory since he was already alive back in World War II and made it look like the suicide history knows it as.as]].
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** Bob tries asking his fellow TimePolice if any of them would go back to kill Hitler, only for their leader Steve to answer that he ''already'' killed Hitler ''without'' time travel, since he was already alive back in World War II and made it look like the suicide history knows it as.
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** Killing Hitler has no major effect -- somebody else takes his place and does things the same way to the same end.
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** [[InSpiteOfANail Killing Hitler has no major effect effect]] -- somebody else takes his place and does things the same way to the same end.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and/or UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, but the murder(s) just spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and/or one or more of the anti-Axis countries' leaders early -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, etc. -- but the murder(s) just spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him prematurely]].
* '''Played for Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] -- [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win WWII]].
* '''Played for Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] -- [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win WWII]].
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** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him prematurely]].
early]].
* '''Played for Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] -- [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis winWWII]].WWII.]]
* '''Played for Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] -- [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win
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** Killing Hitler at any time during or before WWII brings the war to a halt and makes the future a better place.
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** Killing Hitler at any time during or before WWII on any day between September 1, 1939 and April 29, 1945 brings the war WWII to a halt and makes the future a better place.place. Killing him before the former date, meanwhile, prevents it from ever happening.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop the Holocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations that would have led to the Nazis' rise.
** Bob goes back in time and kill Hitler... [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast in such a way that it's mistaken for a suicide.]]
** Bob goes back in time and kill Hitler... [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast in such a way that it's mistaken for a suicide.]]
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** Bob announces his intent to stop the Holocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations that would have led to the Nazis' rise.
** Bob goes back in time andkill Hitler... kills Hitler ... [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast in such a way that it's is mistaken for a suicide.]]
** Bob goes back in time and
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "beam me up, Scotty" [[BeamMeUpScotty actually being said]] in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "beam me up, Scotty" [[BeamMeUpScotty "BeamMeUpScotty" actually being said]] said in ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** Killing Hitler prevents the National Socialist German Workers' Party from taking power in that country. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1938 manages to prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1938 manages to prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
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** Killing Hitler prevents the National Socialist German Workers' Party from taking power in that country. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier military casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists inGermany, Germany and Austria, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before1938 September 1, 1939 manages to prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, thus becoming nonexistent.
** A young German artist time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before
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-->'''Bob''': Please... everyone knows that would only make things worse.
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-->'''Bob''': Please...Please ... everyone knows that would only make things worse.
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America, meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... Hitler ... on Tierra del Fuego at the ass end southern tip of South America, meaning it would take at least a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).Europe).
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to UsefulNotes/NaziGermany circa 1935 with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different… or worse yet, that they have not changed ''[[YouCantFightFate at all]]''.
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to UsefulNotes/NaziGermany circa 1935 with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different… or worse yet, different ... or, worse, that they have not changed ''[[YouCantFightFate at all]]''.
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** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of Nazi Germany's crimes (and its agents are very aware of it), the agents affected to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, and are very prone to suffer from [[TheAlcoholic alcoholism]] or nervous breakdowns.
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** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of in Nazi Germany's multifarious crimes (and its agents are very well aware of it), that), the agents affected assigned to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, mind and are very prone to suffer from [[TheAlcoholic alcoholism]] or and/or nervous breakdowns.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt Neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill him.
** ...Which is why the Time Traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was to just try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see wether or not it did.
** ...Which is why the Time Traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was to just try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see wether or not it did.
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** Some of the Time Police [[DirtyCop are corrupt Neo-Nazis]] and are just using the preservation of history as an excuse not to kill him.
their idol.
** ...Which is why the Time Traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know wasto just to try killing him before World War II can start, and check the time period first to see wether or not whether it did.
** ...Which is why the Time Traveler could change their mind and instead do exactly that. All they needed to know was
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** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
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** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader...leader ... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]]... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some failed artist or something?
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]]... Act]] ... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some a failed artist or something?
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** Killing Hitler at any time during or before WWII brings the war to a halt and makes the future a better place.
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** You go back in time and kill Hitler... [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast in such a way that it's mistaken for a suicide.]]
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** You go Bob goes back in time and kill Hitler... [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast in such a way that it's mistaken for a suicide.]]
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** Your attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
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** Your Bob's attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
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'''Basic Trope''': You can't go back in time, kill UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, and get away with it.
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'''Basic Trope''': You can't go back in time, time and kill UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, and get away with it.UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler without dire consequences.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the Universe into innumerable little pieces]].
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* '''Exaggerated''': Killing Hitler causes a horrific TimeCrash that [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt shatters the Universe universe into innumerable little pieces]].
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** Killing Hitler has no major effect -- somebody else takes his place and does things exactly the same way.
* '''Justified''': In absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator emerged to give Allies even bigger trouble.
* '''Justified''': In absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator emerged to give Allies even bigger trouble.
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** Killing Hitler has no major effect -- somebody else takes his place and does things exactly the same way.
way to the same end.
* '''Justified''': In the absence of Hitler, a more competent dictatoremerged to give took over the regime and caused the Allies even bigger more trouble.
* '''Justified''': In the absence of Hitler, a more competent dictator
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and/or UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, but the act(s) just spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and/or UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, but the act(s) murder(s) just spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** Hitler himself time-travels to the past in a desperate attempt to change his fate, but he ends up [[SelfFulfillingProphecy becoming the catalyst of his inevitable suicide]].
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** Hitler himself time-travels to the past in a desperate attempt to change his fate, but he ends up [[SelfFulfillingProphecy becoming becomes the catalyst of his inevitable suicide]].
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** Bob announces his intent to stop the holocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. Turns out Bob infiltrated the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations which would have led to Nazis rising to power.
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** Bob announces his intent to stop the holocaust Holocaust before heading back in time. TimePolice expect him to kill Hitler and prepare to stop him. They watch over Hitler during the time frame Bob traveled to and he never showed up, much less tried to assassinate him. Turns It turns out Bob infiltrated the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles instead and prevented the reparations which that would have led to Nazis rising to power.the Nazis' rise.
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** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well planned out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things out which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.
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** Alternately, UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini takes over Europe by slowly but surely doing well planned out well-planned-out attacks and swaying fascists in Spain and the weakened Germany over to his side. Stalin decides to go with his original plan to wait things out which leads to a Cold War between Capitalists and Communists.Communists.
** Your attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
** Your attack on Hitler only left him NotQuiteDead.
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** All time machines have a placard saying "No Murdering Hitler" in big red letters.
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** All time machines have a prominently placed placard saying "No "[[AC:No Murdering Hitler" Hitler]]" in big red letters.
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "beam me up, Scotty" [[BeamMeUpScotty actually being said]] in Star Trek, and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "beam me up, Scotty" [[BeamMeUpScotty actually being said]] in Star Trek, ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis from taking power. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
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** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis the National Socialist German Workers' Party from taking power.power in that country. However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
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* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1933 manages to prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
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* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1933 1938 manages to prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
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* '''Exploited''': People use the "killing Hitler" gimmick as a way to lure dumb people onto a time machine and dump them somewhere where they would make very little ripples.
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* '''Exploited''': People use the "killing Hitler" gimmick as a way to lure [[TheDitz dumb people people]] onto a time machine and dump them somewhere where they would make very little ripples.
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning America, meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different… or worse yet, that they have not changed ''[[YouCantFightFate at all]]''.
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s UsefulNotes/NaziGermany circa 1935 with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different… or worse yet, that they have not changed ''[[YouCantFightFate at all]]''.
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time-Travel Exemption Act]]... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some failed artist or something?
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time-Travel Time Travel Exemption Act]]... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some failed artist or something?
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* '''Played for Laughs''': After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
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* '''Played for Laughs''': Laughs''':
** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
** After killing Hitler, Bob returns to his time and sees that World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
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Back to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]]... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some failed artist or something?
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* '''Double Subverted''': However, that allows UsefulNotes/JosefStalin[='=]s power to run unchecked, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert and he invades the now-peaceful Europe]] [[DirtyCommunists with no less brutality than Hitler would]].
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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
** However, that allows UsefulNotes/JosefStalin[='=]s power to run unchecked, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert and he invades the now-peaceful Europe]] [[DirtyCommunists with no less brutality than Hitler would]].
** However, that allows UsefulNotes/JosefStalin[='=]s power to run unchecked, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert and he invades the now-peaceful Europe]] [[DirtyCommunists with no less brutality than Hitler would]].
** Bob kills Hitler and prevents WWII. He returns to the present time and finds that [[ForWantOfANail his interference]] has caused all sorts of illogical consequences, such as Dvorak becoming the most widely-used keyboard layout, the line "beam me up, Scotty" [[BeamMeUpScotty actually being said]] in Star Trek, and [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment his friend Alice growing a handlebar mustache.]]
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Back to HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct[[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct Stalin's Time Travel Exemption Act]]... Huh? Hitler? Wasn't he some failed artist or something?
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different …
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different …different… or worse yet, that they have not changed ''[[YouCantFightFate at all]]''.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, but that act just spurs the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** A group of time-travelling neo-Nazis kills UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and/or UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt, but that act the act(s) just spurs spur(s) the Allies into attacking sooner.
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** When the would-be assassins reach Hitler, they find him posing [[AtopAMountainOfCorpses Atop A Mountain Of Dead Time-Travellers]].
* '''Zig Zagged''':
** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis from taking power. However UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler manages to successfully prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
* '''Enforced''': The author can't imagine [[AlternateHistory the world where World War 2 hasn't happened]].
* '''Lampshaded''': "I wish I had a time machine." "And what would you do with it, go back and kill Adolf Hitler?" "Please... everyone knows that would only make things worse."
* '''Zig Zagged''':
** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis from taking power. However UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artist time travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler manages to successfully prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
* '''Enforced''': The author can't imagine [[AlternateHistory the world where World War 2 hasn't happened]].
* '''Lampshaded''': "I wish I had a time machine." "And what would you do with it, go back and kill Adolf Hitler?" "Please... everyone knows that would only make things worse."
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** When the would-be assassins reach Hitler, they find him posing [[AtopAMountainOfCorpses Atop A Mountain Of Dead Time-Travellers]].
AtopAMountainOfCorpses of Time-Travellers.
*'''Zig Zagged''':
'''Zig-Zagged''':
** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis from taking power.However However, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII still occurs with a more competent and dangerous revival of the German Empire which causes more soldier casualties on both sides and a prolonged war. On the bright side side, many atrocities never occur due to [[PragmaticVillainy being a poor use of resources]].
** A young German artisttime travels time-travels to 1900 in an attempt to [[ScrewDestiny assassinate a would-be dictator when he's still a child]], all because of a vague prophecy. He specifically targets artists because he learnt that the would-be dictator was an artist. While it seems that he managed to kill Hitler since he wiped out all artists in Germany, he never realised one thing which [[ShootTheShaggyDog renders all of his efforts useless]]: [[TomatoInTheMirror He]] ''[[SelfFulfillingProphecy is]]'' [[TheKillerInMe Adolf Hitler]].
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1933 manages tosuccessfully prevent UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, thus, becoming nonexistent.
* '''Enforced''': The author can't imagine [[AlternateHistory the world where World War2 II hasn't happened]].
*'''Lampshaded''': "I '''Lampshaded''':
-->'''Bob''': I wish I had a timemachine." "And machine.
-->'''Alice''': And what would you do with it, go back and kill AdolfHitler?" "Please...Hitler?
-->'''Bob''': Please... everyone knows that would only make things worse."
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** Killing Hitler prevents Nazis from taking power.
** A young German artist
* '''Averted''': Killing Hitler before 1933 manages to
* '''Enforced''': The author can't imagine [[AlternateHistory the world where World War
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-->'''Bob''': I wish I had a time
-->'''Alice''': And what would you do with it, go back and kill Adolf
-->'''Bob''': Please... everyone knows that would only make things worse.
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes a la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after JFK's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)
* '''Discussed''': 'Yes, I have a time machine. No, we're not killing Hitler. It never works, OK.'
* '''Conversed''': "I wonder why is it that killing Hitler always ends bad for time travelers on TV." "Perhaps because UsefulNotes/WorldWarII was so influential in the history of 20th century? You can't just remove ''that'' and call it a day."
* '''Deconstructed''':
** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of Nazi Germany's crimes (and its agents are very aware of it), the agents affected to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, and are very prone to suffer from alcoholism or nervous breakdowns.
** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed him during World War I and have a reasonable doubt.
* '''Discussed''': 'Yes, I have a time machine. No, we're not killing Hitler. It never works, OK.'
* '''Conversed''': "I wonder why is it that killing Hitler always ends bad for time travelers on TV." "Perhaps because UsefulNotes/WorldWarII was so influential in the history of 20th century? You can't just remove ''that'' and call it a day."
* '''Deconstructed''':
** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of Nazi Germany's crimes (and its agents are very aware of it), the agents affected to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, and are very prone to suffer from alcoholism or nervous breakdowns.
** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed him during World War I and have a reasonable doubt.
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes a à la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after JFK's UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)
* '''Discussed''':'Yes, "Yes, I have a time machine. No, we're not killing Hitler. It never works, OK.'
* '''Conversed''': "I wonder why is it that killing Hitler always ends bad for time travelers on TV." "Perhaps because UsefulNotes/WorldWarII was so influential in the history of 20th century? You can't just remove ''that'' and call it a day."
*'''Deconstructed''':
'''Conversed''': "I wonder why killing Hitler always ends bad for time travellers on TV." "Perhaps because UsefulNotes/WorldWarII was such a crucial event of the twentieth century? You can't just remove ''that'' and call it a day."
* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different …
* '''Deconstructed''':
** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of Nazi Germany's crimes (and its agents are very aware of it), the agents affected to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, and are very prone to suffer fromalcoholism [[TheAlcoholic alcoholism]] or nervous breakdowns.
** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed himduring World War I during, for example, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and have a reasonable doubt.
* '''Discussed''':
* '''Conversed''': "I wonder why is it that killing Hitler always ends bad for time travelers on TV." "Perhaps because UsefulNotes/WorldWarII was so influential in the history of 20th century? You can't just remove ''that'' and call it a day.
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* '''Implied''': AliceAndBob went back in time to the mid-1930s with deadly weapons. They come back joyful at first, then they look around and see things are very different …
* '''Deconstructed''':
** To make sure nobody breaks the course of modern history, a TimePolice is focused on protecting Hitler against time travellers. Since this work makes the Time Police complicit of Nazi Germany's crimes (and its agents are very aware of it), the agents affected to Hitler's protection live in a constant "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" state of mind, and are very prone to suffer from
** Killing Hitler as a baby means the time traveler goes down as a baby killer because their lack of historical knowledge means they didn't know that they could have just killed him
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* '''Played For Laughs''': After killing Hitler, the hero returns to our times and sees that UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], untill finally getting sick of it and [[ResetButton stopping himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him]].
* '''Played For Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] - [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win WW2]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill him]].
* '''Played For Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] - [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win WW2]].
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* '''Played For for Laughs''': After killing Hitler, the hero Bob returns to our times his time and sees that UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 World War II still happened, so he goes back in time to kill the new Nazi leader... which fails to change anything, [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer so he does it again, and again, and again]], untill finally getting sick until at last he tires of it and [[ResetButton stopping stops himself from killing Hitler in the first place]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to killhim]].
him prematurely]].
* '''PlayedFor for Drama''': A Holocaust survivor goes back in time to kill Hitler and thus [[ItsPersonal save his family and friends]] [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong among countless others]] - -- [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but it only makes matters worse]], [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel making the Axis win WW2]].WWII]].
** The hero sets things up so that [[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken embarrassing footage of Hitler in the bathroom plays during one of his rallies, putting an end to World War II without having to kill
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes a la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'' or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)
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** The way TimeTravel works in the setting wouldn't allow anybody to kill Hitler even if they actually wanted to (such as a variation of MentalTimeTravel that ''only'' allows people to see through other people's eyes a la ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'' ''Film/BeingJohnMalkovich'', only being able to travel as far back as the day after JFK's assassination, or being placed on the date that would allow an assassination of Hitler... on the ass end of South America (meaning it would take a week to get to Europe at the absolute best-case scenario).)