History PeripheryHatedom / VideoGames

* Ever since the rise of of three-dimensional games with narrative production values rivaling that of films and TV shows, the ShootEmUp genre has gotten written off by fans of mainstream, larger-scale video games, due to what is perceived to be a lack of content since many shmups are "only" around 20-60 minutes per run. Usually the justification for these games being as short as they are is because they typically call for a higher density of player activity, as opposed to long-form games where the player may spend long periods of time performing few meaningful decisions (which in turn means developers put considerably more effort into designing each second of each stage), and their collective NintendoHard difficulty means the amount of time to master each game can rival the amount of time to beat a more modern video game, but it hasn't stopped AAA-game fans from saying ItsShortSoItSucks. The proliferation of BulletHell shooters like ''Franchise/TouhouProject'' and games by Creator/{{CAVE}} doesn't help much, since in the eyes of non-players, these are less "game" and more "exercise in absolute insanity".

* Ever since the rise of of three-dimensional games with narrative production values rivaling that of films and TV shows, the ShootEmUp genre has gotten written off by fans of mainstream, larger-scale video games, due to what is perceived to be a lack of content since many shmups are "only" around 20-60 minutes per run. Usually the justification for these games being as short as they are is because they typically call for a higher density of player activity, as opposed to long-form games where the player may spend long periods of time performing few meaningful decisions (which in turn means developers put considerably more effort into designing each second of each stage), and their collective NintendoHard difficulty means the amount of time to master each game can rival the amount of time to beat a more modern video game, but it hasn't stopped AAA-game fans from saying ItsShortSoItSucks. The proliferation of BulletHell shooters like ''VideoGame/TouhouProject'' and games by Creator/{{CAVE}} doesn't help much, since in the eyes of non-players, only one with superhuman thinking abilities could ever hope to last even ten seconds in such a game.

* The ShootEmUp genre tends to get written off by fans of mainstream, larger-scale video games, due to what is perceived to be a lack of content since many shmups are "only" around 30-60 minutes per run. Usually the justification for these games being as short as they are is because they typically call for a higher density of player activity, as opposed to long-form games where the player may spend long periods of time performing few meaningful decisions (which in turn means developers put considerably more effort into designing each second of each stage), and their collective NintendoHard difficulty means the amount of time to master each game can rival the amount of time to beat a more modern video game, but it hasn't stopped AAA-game fans from saying ItsShortSoItSucks.

* The ShootEmUp genre tends to get written off by fans of mainstream, larger-scale video games, due to what is perceived to be a lack of content since many shmups are "only" around 30-60 minutes per run. Usually the justification for these games being as long as they are is because they typically call for a higher density of player activity, as opposed to long-form games where the player may spend long periods of time performing few meaningful decisions, and their collective NintendoHard difficulty means the amount of time to master each game can rival the amount of time to beat a more modern video game, but it hasn't stopped AAA-game fans from saying ItsShortSoItSucks.

* The ShootEmUp genre tends to get written off by fans of mainstream, larger-scale video games, due to what is perceived to be a lack of content since many shmups are "only" around 30-60 minutes per run. Usually the justification for these games being as long as they are is because they typically call for a higher density of player activity, as opposed to long-form games where the player may spend minutes performing few meaningful decisions, and their collective NintendoHard difficulty means the amount of time to master each game can rival the amount of time to beat a more modern video game, but it hasn't stopped AAA-game fans from saying ItsShortSoItSucks.

* {{Fighting Game}}s get this from some gamers, espeically at arcades and events with gaming setups, due to the tendency of [[UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity fighting game players]] to be particularly raucious, especially when gathered all at once.

* When ''VideoGame/{{Arcaea}}'' was announced to be ported to Platform/NintendoSwitch, much of the original mobile edition's playerbase, mainly gamers in developing Asian countries without the household income to afford video game consoles, reacted with scorn due to having no interest in buying a $300 console just for another version of the game and its exclusives and then another $40 on the base game, ignoring the fact that this version was meant to cater to potential players who passed over the "main" version of the game simply for being a MobilePhoneGame with {{Microtransactions}} (whereas the Switch version has the mobile version's non-collaboration DLC included with the base package; only collaboration content needs to be purchased as DLC), many of which are Western gamers who prefer console gaming over mobile and don't want to buy a tablet to get the most out of a particular game. Much of the hate has died down, although the mobile version is still preferred by most fans due to having more up-to-date content.

** This is in play for basically every game in ''Roblox'' among the community. Town Roleplays (and to a lesser extent, Roleplays in general) are frequently stereotyped as being "[=ODer=]" hubs [[note]] [=ODer=]] means "online dater" and refers to people who play specifically to get a date, though they are functionally a non-issue due to romance rpers being misidentified for online daters, which is part of why the stereotype exists[[/note]], fighting games are decried as being full of edgy 12 year old boys, god forbid you make a game for [[FurryFandom furries]] due to the site's general vitriol for them. This is

* Due to the longtime perception of video games as a "men's" hobby as a result of many games being [[RatedMForManly designed to look and feel hyper-masculine]], many women resented video games and saw them as distracting men from romantic commitments. This is largely going away as the number of women who play video games rival the number of men and more and more games put female characters in the spotlight and present them as deeply-written characters who aren't just [[MsFanservice sex symbols]], allowing for protagonist characters that female players can actually relate to.

* {{Mobile Phone Game}}s are disliked by traditionalist console and PC gamers due to not being as preservable as games on other platforms, as a mobile game that isn't routinely updated to meet the standards of mobile OS updates is [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes doomed to become unplayable on a modern device]], plus they do not have physical releases which are championed amongst retro gamers. Beyond that, the same gamers often generalize them as shallow games with sloppy controls and predatory business models (such as {{gacha|Games}}), blame these games for what they perceive to be a corrupt modern video game industry due to [[CashCowFranchise how lucrative they are]], and as such swear never to install games on their phones ever. This is [[AmericansHateTingle generally a view held in the West]], as gamers in developing countries (most notably Southeast Asian countries) tend to be more receptive to mobile games due to their lower costs to start the game or being outright free to start, and being on devices they probably already have. Mobile-based gamers generally don't reciprocate the feeling; while they don't have a hatred of console and PC games, they just find them too expensive of a hobby (on top of possible [[NoExportForYou import]] price hikes).

* Due to the longtime perception of video games as a "men's" hobby as a result of many games being [[RatedMForManly designed to look and feel hyper-masculine]], many women resented video games and saw them as distracting men from romantic commitments. This is largely going away as the number of women who play video games rival the number of men and more and more games put female characters in the spotlight and present them as deeply-written characters who aren't just [[MsFanservice sex symbols]].

* The MediaNotes/ConsoleWars are a recurring example: Those who pick one side have no desire to try anything from the other sides. It's an enforced mindset, as a console is an expensive investment and most can't afford to buy multiple systems.

* ''VideoGame/GoodbyeVolcanoHigh'' is a 2D cinematic narrative game made in large part for a queer audience. Unfortunately, it was revealed during Sony's 2020 "Future of Gaming" event where it was sandwiched between major Platform/PlayStation5 titles that were made to demonstrate the hardware's capabilities, making it [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers stand out like a sore thumb]]. The "hardcore gamer" crowd -- which primarily consists of straight men -- scorned the game. Even three years later, after suffering DevelopmentHell and finally releasing in August 2023, trailers and preview videos are ''still'' mass downvoted by an audience the game was never targeted towards.

* The UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars are a recurring example: Those who pick one side have no desire to try anything from the other sides. It's an enforced mindset, as a console is an expensive investment and most can't afford to buy multiple systems.

* The UsefulNotes/Atari2600 is disliked by many retro gamers who prefer to ignore consoles before the UsefulNotes/{{N|intendoEntertainmentSystem}}ES. People often complain about the graphics and quality of the games (especially arcade ports).

* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyMysticQuest'' tends to attract hatred from people who believe the urban legend that it was why the USA didn't get ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' (or why Europe didn't get ''any'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasy'' game) until the UsefulNotes/PlayStation years, as well as the fact that it was actually made specifically to [[GatewaySeries introduce people to]] {{RPG}}s. However, being a UsefulNotes/SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem game, it ''does'' have a fanbase thanks to the NostalgiaFilter, as well as how some people actually ''did'' play that game as an introduction to the RPG-genre.

* ''VideoGame/GoodbyeVolcanoHigh'' is a 2D cinematic narrative game made in large part for a queer audience. Unfortunately, it was revealed during Sony's 2020 "Future of Gaming" event where it was sandwiched between major UsefulNotes/PlayStation5 titles that were made to demonstrate the hardware's capabilities, making it [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers stand out like a sore thumb]]. The "hardcore gamer" crowd -- which primarily consists of straight men -- scorned the game. Even three years later, after suffering DevelopmentHell and finally releasing in August 2023, trailers and preview videos are ''still'' mass downvoted by an audience the game was never targeted towards.

** The [[UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS Nintendo 2DS]], which removes the clamshell and 3D features and sells at a lower price than the original 3DS, has received a fair number of complaints from adult and teenage gamers, despite being designed as an 'entry-level' system for children.[[note]]The 3D feature is not recommended for young children, due to lack of safety testing. The clamshell is the weakest part of the physical design and, therefore, most likely to be broken by small children who haven't yet grasped the concept of "excessive force results in broken toys". The lower price isn't specifically a child-friendly feature, but savvy gamers have noticed that the difference is exactly the cost of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'', a franchise well known for its younger-demographic appeal and with which the 2DS shares its release date.[[/note]]
** The [[UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch Switch Lite]], a handheld version of the Switch, went through a similar cycle, gathering a lot of flak from fans for ditching the primary feature of original console (being able to use it both as a home and portable device) despite being primarily made as a budget console and an option for people who prefer their games on the go.
** Nintendo franchises are often geared towards younger players or an all-ages audience and likewise Nintendo platforms in general tend to have games with the same target demographic, which results in mockery from those who prefer more adult-oriented games. One notable effect of this is the backlash to ''VideoGame/Bayonetta2'' being revealed as a Nintendo-platform exclusive (first on UsefulNotes/WiiU then later on Nintendo Switch), part of which could be summed up as "Why is ''Bayonetta'' on a kiddy platform?"[[note]]Although there is also the complaint that since the original ''Bayonetta'' was released on UsefulNotes/Xbox360 and UsefulNotes/PlayStation3, those who played that game when it first came out on those platforms would have to buy a new system just to play the sequel.[[/note]]
** Since the UsefulNotes/{{Wii}}, Nintendo consoles have been focused more on unique controllers and play styles than on raw power, unlike their Microsoft and Sony contemporaries, in an effor to reach out to demographics that tend to not play video games that much as well as those who simply don't care for cutting-edge visuals and want a system that's affordable and sufficient for playing lower-budget games, especially indie games. As a result, they're derided by Xbox and [=PlayStation=] loyalists for not being able to handle big-name games or carrying lower-quality ports with reduced framerate and/or resolution and what they consider [[{{Waggle}} unusable gimmick controls]].

* In TheNineties, there was a lot of scorn from "hardcore" UsefulNotes/PlayStation gamers for ''Franchise/SpyroTheDragon'', which was made to draw young children to the console. The games were mocked as cash-grabs that shouldn't be popular on a "big kid" console like the [=PS1=]. The hatedom has since become non-existent as many current hardcore gamers were fans of the series growing up.

** The ''Mario'' franchise, normally one of Nintendo's biggest {{Sacred Cow}}s for being its "mascot" franchise, can experience some hatred from older fans. A strong example was the UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS / UsefulNotes/WiiU era from 2012 to 2016, where the games showed stereotypical signs of pandering to children and casual players,[[note]]the games becoming shallower, [[StrictlyFormula more repetitive]] and less innovative, the franchise's typical {{Excuse Plot}}s becoming even stronger than before, a general cutesy and nonthreatening vibe[[/note]]; some games, such as ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'', have a very pronounced hatebase of older gamers. Such deviations can also make ''Mario''[='s=] typical WolverinePublicity more embarrassing for Nintendo fans, especially fans of other franchises. However, this is technically a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]]; the ''Mario'' games are targeted towards all ages (moreso than ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}''), placing the hatedom in the ''Mario''[='s=] '''intended''' demographic of "[[MultipleDemographicAppeal everyone]]".[[note]]Its placement on this page is a very contentious manner in itself, as it's debated on if it fits under an AudienceAlienatingEra or a Periphery Hatedom.[[/note]]

* The Nintendo UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} is an interesting case. Once Nintendo finally did what they had promised to do and expanded console video games outside the 18-24 Affluent Male market, said market declared them the anti-Christ. Even Nintendo's continued development of "traditional" games[[note]] which continue to far outnumber their "expanded market" titles[[/note]] hasn't silenced the hatedom one bit. The rest of the market didn't notice (much to the chagrin of the 18-24 Affluent one). Among the platform's games, the worst sufferers of this were of course the "expanded market" games themselves: Nintendo's "Wii Series" games directed towards non-gamers such as ''VideoGame/WiiSports'', ''VideoGame/WiiFit'', and others. During the late 2000s, they were a gigantic fad that outsold and were played more than most other games by a huge margin, causing the 18-24 Affluent Male market to declare gaming ruined and fear for its senior-citizen-and-soccer-mom-ruled future. However, as the fad has died, so has the hate.
** The market, however, did eventually notice when Nintendo attempted a successor, the UsefulNotes/WiiU. Despite on paper being a logical successor to the Wii, having the same drawbacks in its own generation that the Wii did (minimal online support, reduced third party support, weak graphics in comparison to the competition, difficulty to port games to the console due to its drawbacks), it crashed and burned so hard that Nintendo was forced to create a new console for the same console generation, the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch. As Nintendo had lost the hardcore gaming market with the Wii, they were reliant on their new primary market to purchase the Wii U in order for it to succeed. Not being traditional gamers, they didn't follow the behavior patters of traditional gamers and buy out of brand loyalty or seeking to be able to play sequels to their favorite exclusive franchises, as gaming culture promotes buying the "new hot thing". Ironically, Nintendo should have known about this problem, as back in the 90s they had to take steps both to prevent people from calling other consoles "nintendos" and to make sure people understood what the SNES was due to parents (the primary purchasers of video game consoles at the time) not immediately understanding the idea of a new console from the same developer. One of the immediate problems the Wii U faced upon debut? People not understanding it was a new system and not just some sort of updated Wii.

* When ''VideoGame/{{Arcaea}}'' was announced to be ported to Platform/NintendoSwitch, much of the original mobile edition's playerbase reacted with scorn due to having no interest in buying a $300 console just for another version of the game and its exclusives and then another $40 on the base game, ignoring the fact that this version was meant to cater to potential players who passed over the "main" version of the game simply for being a MobilePhoneGame with {{Microtransactions}} (whereas the Switch version has the mobile version's non-collaboration DLC included with the base package; only collaboration content needs to be purchased as DLC), many of which are Western gamers who prefer console gaming over mobile and don't want to buy a tablet to get the most out of a particular game. Much of the hate has died down, although the mobile version is still preferred by most fans due to having more up-to-date content.

* When ''VideoGame/{{Arcaea}}'' was announced to be ported to Platform/NintendoSwitch, much of the original mobile edition's playerbase reacted with scorn due to having no interest in buying a $300 console just for another version of the game and its exclusives and then another $40 on the base game, ignoring the fact that this version was meant to cater to potential players who passed over the "main" version of the game simply for being a MobilePhoneGame, many of which are Western gamers who prefer console gaming over mobile and don't want to buy a tablet to get the most out of a particular game. Much of the hate has died down, although the mobile version is still preferred by most fans due to having more up-to-date content.

* When ''VideoGame/{{Arcaea}}'' was announced to be ported to Platform/NintendoSwitch, much of the original mobile edition's playerbase reacted with scorn due to having no interest in buying a $300 console just for another version of the game and its exclusives and then another $40 on the base game, ignoring the fact that this version was meant to cater to potential players who passed over the "main" version of the game simply for being a MobilePhoneGame. Much of the hate has died down, although the mobile version is still preferred by most fans due to having more up-to-date content.

** ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' isn't well-liked amongst workers and owners of publicly-accessible properties (most notably churches, cemetaries, and museums), due to its gameplay encouraging players to go out and explore landmarks, and ''Pokémon'' fans aren't exactly known for behaving their best in public, with some either being rowdy, committing acts of trespassing, or endangering themselves while playing the game. As a result, those owners have complained to Niantic to have Poké Stops (the main interaction points for the game) removed from their properties' in-game locations. Note that ''Pokémon Go'' isn't Creator/{{Niantic}}'s first GPS-based game, as they previously developed ''VideoGame/{{Ingress}}''. While there are certainly cases of ''Ingress''-related hooliganism, it's not to the same degree or quantity as ''Pokémon Go'' since it doesn't have the brand name power of ''Pokémon'' (instead being an original work), it's aimed at an older demographic, and the game's lore and premise of the player being a covert agent for one of two conspiracy factions encourages them to be on their best behavior in public.

* MMO games are disliked by many parents, spouses, and teachers of their players due to how frightfully addicting they can be, causing players to lose track of real-world commitments like school and household chores, in an example of toxic escapism. If not for the addiction factor, it's because these games by their nature can't be paused, leading to parent-child disputes about getting household tasks (taking out trash, watering the backyard plants, etc.) done but the child can't just pause the game and have to put the chores on hold for a bit because they're in the middle of a raid at the moment and it would be abusive to teammates to just abandon their in-game duties.

* MMO games are disliked by many parents, spouses, and teachers of their players due to how frightfully addicting they can be, causing players to lose track of real-world commitments like school and household chores, in an example of toxic escapism.