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* Funnily enough, ''1610 Miles'' is this to Earth-42's Aaron and Prowler. In a world run by Supervillains (which may include versions of [[Characters/SpiderManCentralRoguesGallery Mysterio]] or the [[Characters/SpiderManCentralRoguesGallery Chameleon]]) a stranger who looks just like Rio's son found a way into their family home and was alone with her for an undetermined time and purpose. And this is after the two have already lost Jeff. In hindsight, it's not incredibly surprising they acted the way they did.

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* Funnily enough, ''1610 Miles'' is this to Earth-42's Aaron and Prowler. In a world run by Supervillains (which may include versions variants of [[Characters/SpiderManCentralRoguesGallery Mysterio]] or the [[Characters/SpiderManCentralRoguesGallery Chameleon]]) a stranger who looks just like Rio's son Earth 42's Miles found a way into their family home his and Rio's apartment and was alone with her for an undetermined time and purpose. And this is after the two have already lost Jeff. In hindsight, it's not incredibly surprising they acted the way did what they did.
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** Worse still, he's likely projecting his own guilt and self-loathing onto Miles. Essentially, Miguel is trying to force a kid to let his father die, poisoning his best friends against him, and blowing up his insecurities over being an inadequate inheritor to Peter-1610B -- all because Miguel can't face up to his ''own'' failures. He also comes off as a petulant child enraged at Miles for being the anomaly who got to have a loving family and a relatively stable life (notwithstanding the significant loss of Uncle Aaron).

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** Worse still, he's likely projecting his own guilt and self-loathing onto Miles. Essentially, Miguel is trying to force a kid to let his father die, poisoning his best friends against him, and blowing up his insecurities over being an inadequate inheritor to Peter-1610B -- all because Miguel can't face up to his ''own'' failures. He also [[PsychopathicManchild comes off as a petulant child child]] enraged at Miles for being the anomaly who got to have a loving family and a relatively stable life (notwithstanding the significant loss of Uncle Aaron).
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I highly doubt the implication is that Gwen is out to murder anyone.


** Even the way she walks towards the watch, kicks it up, grabs it, and crushes it in cold fury is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them anywhere near Miles and his family; neither is she going to let them leave this world ''alive''.

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** Even the way she walks towards the watch, kicks it up, grabs it, and crushes it in cold fury is a huge indication of just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is clearly not going to let them anywhere near Miles and his family; neither is she going to let them leave this world ''alive''. family anymore.
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*** Or if she was giving him the [=CliffNotes=] version.

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*** Or if she was giving him the [=CliffNotes=] cliff notes version.
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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. He gives an emotionless stare as Gwen struggles to get loose and coldly tells her: 'Go home, Gwen.'

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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. He gives an emotionless stare (possibly even a twisted smile) as Gwen struggles to get loose and coldly tells her: 'Go home, Gwen.''

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*** Or if she was giving him the [=CliffNotes=] version.



* Most of the Canon Events which the Spider-people of the multiverse have to go through are horrific personal tragedies, like the death of an "Uncle Ben" figure, or a "Captain Stacy" figure, or even ''both''. We see several of these examples play out on screen. And [[UnreliableExpositor if Miguel is correct]], these Canon Events are destined to occur in each Spider-person's universe or reality itself risks collapsing, meaning that Miles is confronted with the SadisticChoice of letting his father die or risking the extinction of Earth-1610.

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* Most of the Canon Events which the Spider-people Spider-People of the multiverse have to go through are horrific personal tragedies, like the death of an "Uncle Ben" figure, or a "Captain Stacy" figure, or even ''both''. We see several of these examples play out on screen. And [[UnreliableExpositor if Miguel is correct]], these Canon Events are destined to occur in each Spider-person's Spider-Person's universe or reality itself risks collapsing, meaning that Miles is confronted with the SadisticChoice of letting his father die or risking the extinction of Earth-1610.



* While visually stunning, seeing dozens upon dozens of Spider-people coming at Miles is also deeply unsettling as all those allies, all versions of one of the most iconic and beloved superheroes, have turned into opponents at the drop of a hat, and with the ultimate objective of forcing one of them to suffer one more tragedy in his life.

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* While visually stunning, seeing dozens upon dozens of Spider-people Spider-People coming at Miles is also deeply unsettling as all those allies, all versions of one of the most iconic and beloved superheroes, have turned into opponents at the drop of a hat, and with the ultimate objective of forcing one of them to suffer one more tragedy in his life.
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** There might be a {{justified}} reason for why Gwen is acting this way. Unlike Gwen's situation at her world, where she was mistaken for murder, the Spider Society don't have that case, especially the numerous times Gwen has seen Miguel almost killing Miles. So, Gwen is preparing to take them down like her father would have done.

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** There might be a {{justified}} [[JustifiedTrope justified]] reason for as to why Gwen is acting this way. Unlike Gwen's situation at her world, where she was mistaken for murder, a murderer, the Spider Society don't have that case, especially the numerous times Gwen has seen Miguel almost killing Miles. nearly ending Miles's life. So, Gwen is preparing to lethally take them down like her father would have done.these multiversal killers.
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** Gwen is {{justified}} to act this way. Unlike with the situation between her and her father who eventually realized Gwen was innocent of Peter's death, the Spider Society had proven willing to harm others, or in Miguel's case, willing to kill. From Gwen's point-of-view, they are basically multiversal murderers. So, Gwen is prepared to take them down like her father would have done.

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** Gwen is There might be a {{justified}} to act reason for why Gwen is acting this way. Unlike with the Gwen's situation between at her and her father who eventually realized Gwen world, where she was innocent of Peter's death, mistaken for murder, the Spider Society had proven willing to harm others, or in Miguel's don't have that case, willing to kill. From Gwen's point-of-view, they are basically multiversal murderers. especially the numerous times Gwen has seen Miguel almost killing Miles. So, Gwen is prepared preparing to take them down like her father would have done.
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** Let's not forget him choke-slamming Miles into the train and maliciously hissing into his ear that he's a mistake who never belonged - never belonged with the Society, and even more painfully, with Peter and the Spider-Gang, and most painfully, with Gwen. All the while, Peter and Gwen seem too paralysed to do anything. Physical and emotional abuse all rolled into one, while your best friends stand by and watch.

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** Let's not forget him choke-slamming Miles into the train and maliciously hissing into his ear that he's a mistake who never belonged - -- never belonged with the Society, and even more painfully, with Peter and the Spider-Gang, and most painfully, with Gwen. All the while, Peter and Gwen seem too paralysed to do anything. Physical and emotional abuse all rolled into one, while your best friends stand by and watch.



** Worse still, he's likely projecting his own guilt and self-loathing onto Miles. Essentially, Miguel is trying to force a kid to let his father die, poisoning his best friends against him, and blowing up his insecurities over being an inadequate inheritor to Peter-1610B - all because Miguel can't face up to his ''own'' failures. He also comes off as a petulant child enraged at Miles for being the anomaly who got to have a loving family and a relatively stable life (notwithstanding the significant loss of Uncle Aaron).

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** Worse still, he's likely projecting his own guilt and self-loathing onto Miles. Essentially, Miguel is trying to force a kid to let his father die, poisoning his best friends against him, and blowing up his insecurities over being an inadequate inheritor to Peter-1610B - -- all because Miguel can't face up to his ''own'' failures. He also comes off as a petulant child enraged at Miles for being the anomaly who got to have a loving family and a relatively stable life (notwithstanding the significant loss of Uncle Aaron).



** And let's not forget that the two people he cares for most deeply - including his mentor and best friend (quite possibly the girl he loves) - are among the army hunting him down.

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** And let's not forget that the two people he cares for most deeply - -- including his mentor and best friend (quite possibly the girl he loves) - -- are among the army hunting him down.



*** Then let's remember ''why'' he lost that bracelet - because Miguel deliberately snatched it off him. He was perfectly willing to let Miles suffer the pain of glitching - on top of that of being rejected by the Society and chased by his best friends. And if somehow Miles managed to escape and evade capture, Miguel could let the glitching finish the job for him.

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*** Then let's remember ''why'' he lost that bracelet - -- because Miguel deliberately snatched it off him. He was perfectly willing to let Miles suffer the pain of glitching - -- on top of that of being rejected by the Society and chased by his best friends. And if somehow Miles managed to escape and evade capture, Miguel could let the glitching finish the job for him.



** What’s more, Miguel and Jessica are still hunting for Miles, backed by who-knows-how-many Spider-People, determined to capture him and keep him from saving his loved ones. Despite his friends coming to help him, Miles will still have a '''[[UnstoppableRage HELLISHLY ENRAGED]]''' Miguel O'Hara and a whole Spider-Army to contend with. His only solace there being that Jessica seems to be having [[HazyFeelTurn second thoughts]] about siding with Miguel and Miles has got back-up on the way in Gwen's new Spider Force.

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** What’s What's more, Miguel and Jessica are still hunting for Miles, backed by who-knows-how-many Spider-People, determined to capture him and keep him from saving his loved ones. Despite his friends coming to help him, Miles will still have a '''[[UnstoppableRage HELLISHLY ENRAGED]]''' hellishly enraged]]''' Miguel O'Hara and a whole Spider-Army to contend with. His only solace there being that Jessica seems to be having [[HazyFeelTurn second thoughts]] about siding with Miguel and Miles has got back-up on the way in Gwen's new Spider Force.



*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav, Noir, and Porker- all of whom he has no way to contact.

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*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - -- even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav, Noir, and Porker- Porker -- all of whom he has no way to contact.
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** Gwen is {{justified}} to act this way. Unlike with the situation between her and her father who eventually realized Gwen was innocent of Peter's death, the Spider Society had proven willing to harm others, or in Miguel's case, willing to kill. From Gwen's point-of-view, they are basically multiversal murderers. So, Gwen is prepared to take them down like her father would have done.
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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse. This hits even harder for Gwen as she realizes she had sided with an insane man to commit indirect murder, the same thing she had been accused of in her world. And worst of all, in the process, she betrays her best friend, breaks his heart, and drives him away from her.

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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse. This hits even harder for Gwen as she realizes she had sided with an insane man to commit indirect murder, the same thing she had been accused of in her world. And worst of all, in the process, she betrays her best friend, breaks his heart, and drives him away from her. Into a world with no Spider-Man, where he's at his EvilCounterpart's mercy.
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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse. This hits even harder for Gwen as she realizes she had sided with an insane man to commit indirect murder, the same thing she had been accused of in her world.

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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse. This hits even harder for Gwen as she realizes she had sided with an insane man to commit indirect murder, the same thing she had been accused of in her world. And worst of all, in the process, she betrays her best friend, breaks his heart, and drives him away from her.
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** Even the way she walks towards the watch, kicks it up, grabs it, and crushes it in cold fury is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them anywhere near Miles and his family; neither is she going to let them leave this world alive.

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** Even the way she walks towards the watch, kicks it up, grabs it, and crushes it in cold fury is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them anywhere near Miles and his family; neither is she going to let them leave this world alive.''alive''.
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Changing the description to what was more accurate. At no point did Miguel have a Slasher Smile.


** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. His face takes on a SlasherSmile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'

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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. His face takes on a SlasherSmile He gives an emotionless stare as he ''gleefully'' gloats: Gwen struggles to get loose and coldly tells her: 'Go home, Gwen.'
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* When Gwen finally returns to Miles's dimension, there's something a bit off about her. She steals Scarlet Spider's watch before throwing him into a portal that goes to who knows where. Unless it's confirmed that portal does bring Scarlet Spider back to his own dimension, Gwen intentionally sent him somewhere to painfully glitch out of existence.
** Even the way she walks towards the watch, grabs it and crushes it is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them near Miles and his family nor she's going to let them leave this world alive.

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* When Gwen finally returns to Miles's dimension, there's something a bit off about her. She steals Scarlet Spider's watch before throwing him into a portal that goes to who knows where. Unless it's confirmed that portal does bring Scarlet Spider back to his own dimension, dimension (WordOfGod says she sent Reilly to her own world, Earth-65B), Gwen intentionally sent him somewhere to painfully glitch out of existence.
** Even the way she walks towards the watch, kicks it up, grabs it it, and crushes it in cold fury is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them anywhere near Miles and his family nor she's family; neither is she going to let them leave this world alive.
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** And let's not forget that two of his best friends - including his mentor and someone he cares for deeply - are among the army hunting him down.

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** And let's not forget that the two of his best friends people he cares for most deeply - including his mentor and someone best friend (quite possibly the girl he cares for deeply loves) - are among the army hunting him down.

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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse.

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** On the other hand, if he's ''not'' correct then it means that the Spider-Society has allowed thousands of their loved ones to die and traumatised countless heroes [[AllForNothing for no reason whatsoever.]] It's hard to tell which option is worse. This hits even harder for Gwen as she realizes she had sided with an insane man to commit indirect murder, the same thing she had been accused of in her world.



** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. His face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'

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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face, and especially his eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow. His face takes on a slasher smile SlasherSmile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'



* When Gwen finally returns to Miles's dimension, there's something a bit off about her. She steals Scarlet Spider's watch before throwing him into a portal that goes to who knows where. Assuming that portal doesn't bring Scarlet Spider back to his own dimension, that means Gwen intentionally sent him somewhere to painfully glitch out of existence.
** Even the way she walks towards the watch, grabs it and crushes it is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them leave in one piece.
** From Gwen's perspective, she learnt that Canon Event's might not be real at all, meaning that she had helped an insane man and his cult-like group to indirectly murder millions of innocent people. In other words, these Spider-Men are ''TRUE'' menaces to society like J. Jonah Jameson claims them to be.

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* When Gwen finally returns to Miles's dimension, there's something a bit off about her. She steals Scarlet Spider's watch before throwing him into a portal that goes to who knows where. Assuming Unless it's confirmed that portal doesn't does bring Scarlet Spider back to his own dimension, that means Gwen intentionally sent him somewhere to painfully glitch out of existence.
** Even the way she walks towards the watch, grabs it and crushes it is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them leave in one piece.
** From Gwen's perspective, she learnt that Canon Event's might not be real at all, meaning that she had helped an insane man
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Peni was there but to my knowledge Ham and Noir weren’t


*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav - all of whom he has no way to contact.

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*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav - Pav, Noir, and Porker- all of whom he has no way to contact.
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* When Gwen finally returns to Miles's dimension, there's something a bit off about her. She steals Scarlet Spider's watch before throwing him into a portal that goes to who knows where. Assuming that portal doesn't bring Scarlet Spider back to his own dimension, that means Gwen intentionally sent him somewhere to painfully glitch out of existence.
** Even the way she walks towards the watch, grabs it and crushes it is a huge indication just how immensely '''PISSED''' she is at the Spider Society. Gwen is not going to let them leave in one piece.
** From Gwen's perspective, she learnt that Canon Event's might not be real at all, meaning that she had helped an insane man and his cult-like group to indirectly murder millions of innocent people. In other words, these Spider-Men are ''TRUE'' menaces to society like J. Jonah Jameson claims them to be.
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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face (especially his eyes) is bathed in an eerie red glow and his face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'

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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face (especially face, and especially his eyes) is eyes, are bathed in an eerie red glow and his glow. His face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'
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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face is bathed in an eerie red glow and his face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'

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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face (especially his eyes) is bathed in an eerie red glow and his face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'
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** As Gwen is getting dragged into the Go Home Machine, Miguel's face is bathed in an eerie red glow and his face takes on a slasher smile as he ''gleefully'' gloats: 'Go home, Gwen.'
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*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav - whom he has no way to contact.

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*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav - all of whom he has no way to contact.
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*** From Miles's viewpoint, ''every'' Spider is now the enemy - even his former allies in the Spider Gang, even his mentor and best friend / the girl he loves. The only exceptions being Hobie, Margo, and possibly Pav - whom he has no way to contact.
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*** Then let's remember ''why'' he lost that bracelet - because Miguel deliberately snatched it off him. He was perfectly willing to let Miles suffer the pain of glitching - on top of that of being rejected by the Society and chased by his best friends. And if somehow Miles managed to escape and evade capture, Miguel could let the glitching finish the job for him.
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** Worse still, he's likely projecting his own guilt and self-loathing onto Miles. Essentially, Miguel is trying to force a kid to let his father die, poisoning his best friends against him, and blowing up his insecurities over being an inadequate inheritor to Peter-1610B - all because Miguel can't face up to his ''own'' failures. He also comes off as a petulant child enraged at Miles for being the anomaly who got to have a loving family and a relatively stable life (notwithstanding the significant loss of Uncle Aaron).
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*** It's also creepy as hell watching Jess ''stalking'' Jeff. We normally think of Spiders as heroes and protectors. But these Spiders are not only fully intent on capturing and hurting Jeff and Rio's son, but also 'indirectly' ''murdering'' Jeff (however 'indirect' making sure he dies and kidnapping his son so he's powerless to do anything about it is...).

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*** It's also creepy as hell watching Jess ''stalking'' Jeff. We normally think of Spiders as heroes and protectors. But these Spiders are not only fully intent not only on capturing and hurting Jeff and Rio's son, son (and perfectly willing to hurt him in the process), but also on 'indirectly' ''murdering'' Jeff (however 'indirect' making sure he dies and kidnapping his son so he's powerless to do anything about it is...).
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*** It's also creepy as hell watching Jess ''stalking'' Jeff. We normally think of Spiders as heroes and protectors. But these Spiders are not only fully intent on capturing and hurting Jeff and Rio's son, but also 'indirectly' ''murdering'' Jeff.

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*** It's also creepy as hell watching Jess ''stalking'' Jeff. We normally think of Spiders as heroes and protectors. But these Spiders are not only fully intent on capturing and hurting Jeff and Rio's son, but also 'indirectly' ''murdering'' Jeff.Jeff (however 'indirect' making sure he dies and kidnapping his son so he's powerless to do anything about it is...).

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** To make it worse, Miles has also lost the bracelet that allowed him to not glitch when in a different dimension. He's already frequently doing so on Earth-42, and has to deal with the risk of disappearing, if the Prowler and his uncle don't do him in first…and with Miles restrained and the stereo up, it doesn’t seem to be a quick affair.

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** To make it worse, Miles has also lost the bracelet that allowed him to not glitch when in a different dimension. He's already frequently doing so on Earth-42, and has to deal with the risk of disappearing, if the Prowler and his uncle don't do him in first…and first… and with Miles restrained and the stereo up, it doesn’t seem to be a quick affair.


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*** It's also creepy as hell watching Jess ''stalking'' Jeff. We normally think of Spiders as heroes and protectors. But these Spiders are not only fully intent on capturing and hurting Jeff and Rio's son, but also 'indirectly' ''murdering'' Jeff.

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