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* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong-Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving [[HarmfulToMinors her family to find her body]]. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to [[DirtyCoward offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought]]. Then Katara [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim admits]] his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.

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* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong-Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving [[HarmfulToMinors her family to find her body]]. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later last waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to [[DirtyCoward offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought]]. Then Katara [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim admits]] his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.

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-->-- '''Sokka''', ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender''
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-->-- '''Sokka''', ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender''
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* Zaheer and his Red Lotus gang pretty much cross this when after Kya and Bumi are beaten from their battles with Ming Hua and Ghazan, they start [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown attacking Tenzin savagely]]. If that wasn't enough, then Zaheer definitely crosses it in the season finale by poisoning Korra so that she can be forced into the Avatar State and his cohorts can kill her, thus permanently ending the Avatar. And his reaction to [[spoiler:Korra apparently dying in her grieving father's arms]] is to [[EvilLaugh laugh in triumph]].

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* Zaheer and his The Red Lotus gang pretty much cross this when after Kya and Bumi are beaten from their battles with Ming Hua and Ghazan, they start [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown attacking Tenzin savagely]]. threaten to [[FinalSolution kill everyone in the new Air Nation]] to force Korra to surrender to them. If that wasn't enough, then then:
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Zaheer definitely crosses it in the season finale by poisoning Korra so that she can be forced into the Avatar State and his cohorts can kill her, thus permanently ending the Avatar. And his reaction to [[spoiler:Korra apparently dying in her grieving father's arms]] is to [[EvilLaugh laugh in triumph]].
** P'Li crosses it by [[WouldHurtAChild shooting at Kai]], [[spoiler:seemingly]] killing him. [[spoiler:He actually survived, but the fact that she WouldHurtAChild still stands.]]
** Ghazan crosses it when, [[spoiler:not willing to be sent back to jail, he tries to kill Mako and Bolin by collapsing the entire cave with all of them inside.]]


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** [[PirateGirl Tagaka]] crosses it by enslaving several people living on Zeizhou Province's southern coast, [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil an act vile enough]] to turn Yun and Jianzhu against her.

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* [[spoiler:The crime lord of the Republic City, Yakone]] crosses this when he [[spoiler:bloodbends the entire courtroom]]. If it's not the act itself, it's the sadistic glee he takes in it. And if he hadn't crossed it then, well, he definitely skipped across it in the flashback [[spoiler:that came with the finale showing how he turned his own sons into his personal bloodbending instruments of revenge and power, and even had them ''bloodbend each other'' as a part of that training.]]

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* [[spoiler:The crime lord of the Republic City, Yakone]] crosses this when he [[spoiler:bloodbends the entire courtroom]].courtroom after they give him a life sentence for his crimes]]. If it's not the act itself, it's the sadistic glee he takes in it. And if he hadn't crossed it then, well, he definitely skipped across it in the flashback [[spoiler:that came with the finale showing how he turned his own sons into his personal bloodbending instruments of revenge and power, and even had them ''bloodbend each other'' as a part of that training.]]



* The [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Earth Queen]] crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any redemption for her. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]

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* The [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Earth Queen]] crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren children included]]), there probably isn't any redemption for her. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]



'''''Kyoshi novels'''''
* In ''Literature/TheRiseOfKyoshi'', Jianzhu crosses it by [[spoiler:leaving Yun to die in the Spirit World when Father Glowworm confirms he is not the Avatar. He then murders his best friend and Kyoshi's adoptive father Kelsang when the Air Nomad tries to stop him. Kyoshi considers both these points to be this as well, refusing to accept him as her teacher]]. Sure enough, [[spoiler: Yun ends up striking the decisive blow against Jianzhu and murders him painfully in revenge at the end of the novel]].
* In the same book, Xu Ping An firmly places himself above this when he sadistically butchers dozens of villages out of his sheer egomania that the world owes a debt to him and is above everyone to be judged. If that was not enough, the time he beats up a family and forces the child and mother watch the father be be slowly boiled to death to simply let off some steam would be as that's Kyoshi's breaking point and calling out to him that such sadistic acts makes his entire existence insulting to her.

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'''''Kyoshi novels'''''
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* In ''Literature/TheRiseOfKyoshi'', ''Literature/TheRiseOfKyoshi'':
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Jianzhu crosses it by [[spoiler:leaving Yun to die in the Spirit World when Father Glowworm confirms he is not the Avatar. He then murders his best friend and Kyoshi's adoptive father Kelsang when the Air Nomad tries to stop him. Kyoshi considers both these points to be this as well, refusing to accept him as her teacher]]. Sure enough, [[spoiler: Yun ends up striking the decisive blow against Jianzhu and murders him painfully in revenge at the end of the novel]].
* In the same book, ** [[EvilIsBurningHot Xu Ping An An]] firmly places himself above this when he sadistically butchers dozens of villages out of his [[ItsAllAboutMe sheer egomania that the world owes a debt to him him]] and that he is above everyone to be judged. If that was not enough, the time he beats up a family and forces the child and mother watch the father be be slowly boiled to death to simply let off some steam would be as that's Kyoshi's breaking point and calling out to him that such sadistic acts makes his entire existence insulting to her.

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* Long Feng, the Earth Kingdom's EvilChancellor, who [[spoiler:brainwashes Jet and then kills him when he resists]].

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* Long Feng, the Earth Kingdom's EvilChancellor, who crosses the line in "[[Recap/AvatarTheLastAirbenderLakeLaogai Lake Laogai]]" when he [[spoiler:brainwashes Jet and then [[HeroKiller kills him when him]] shortly after he resists]].



* Sozin when he abandons Avatar Roku, [[spoiler:his former best friend]], to die and then [[FinalSolution wipes out the Air Nomads all]] to make sure the next Avatar couldn't stop him. [[spoiler:He himself [[HeelRealization realized]] he did this after a lifetime of telling himself it was [[WellIntentionedExtremist necessary for a better world]], but [[HeelFaceDoorSlam far too late to try and atone for it]].]] It's lampshaded when Aang finds out that [[ArtisticLicenseHistory Fire Nation students are taught the airbenders had an army, and he knows for a fact that airbenders were pacifists]].
* in-universe, Katara feels that Jet crossed this by using her and Aang as pawns to drown a village. Even though Sokka stopped him by warning the soldiers and citizens, ensuring a safe evacuation, Katara swears that she will never forgive Jet and refuses to even after [[spoiler:he dies protecting the Gaang from Long Feng]]. Meanwhile, Smellerbee and Pipsqueak feel that Jet is crossing it by letting his obsession with proving Zuko and Iroh are firebenders overriding with the fact that they nearly killed innocents before and are trying to atone for it. They pragmatically tell him that this obsession with hurting the Fire Nation got them in trouble before.
* Combustion Man crossed the line by [[spoiler:refusing to obey Zuko when (having pulled off a HeelFaceTurn) he calls off his pursuit of the Avatar]]. In fact, WordOfGod's revelation that he felt his mission would still be in Ozai's interests (and possibly Azula's) proves that point.

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* Sozin crossed the line when he abandons abandoned Avatar Roku, [[spoiler:his former best friend]], to die and then [[FinalSolution wipes wiped out the Air Nomads all]] to make sure the next Avatar couldn't stop him. [[spoiler:He himself [[HeelRealization realized]] he did this after a lifetime of telling himself it was [[WellIntentionedExtremist necessary for a better world]], but [[HeelFaceDoorSlam far too late to try and atone for it]].]] It's lampshaded when Aang finds out that [[ArtisticLicenseHistory Fire Nation students are taught the airbenders had an army, and he knows for a fact that airbenders were pacifists]].
* in-universe, Katara feels that Jet crossed this by using her and Aang as pawns to drown a village. Even though Sokka stopped him by warning the soldiers and citizens, ensuring a safe evacuation, Katara swears that she will never forgive Jet and refuses to even after [[spoiler:he dies protecting the Gaang from Long Feng]]. Meanwhile, Smellerbee and Pipsqueak feel that Jet is crossing it by letting his obsession with proving Zuko and Iroh are firebenders overriding with the fact that they nearly killed innocents before and are trying to atone for it. They pragmatically tell him that this obsession with hurting the Fire Nation got them in trouble before.
* Combustion Man crossed crosses the line by [[spoiler:refusing to obey Zuko when (having pulled off a HeelFaceTurn) he calls off his pursuit of the Avatar]]. In fact, WordOfGod's revelation that he felt his mission would still be in Ozai's interests (and possibly Azula's) proves that point.
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* Sozin when he abandons Avatar Roku, [[spoiler:his former best friend]], to die and then [[FinalSolution wipes out the Air Nomads all]] to make sure the next Avatar couldn't stop him. [[spoiler:He himself [[HeelRealization realized]] he did this after a lifetime of telling himself it was [[WellIntentionedExtremist necessary for a better world]], but [[HeelFaceDoorSlam far too late to try and atone for it]].]] It's lampshaded when Aang finds out that Fire Nation students are taught the airbenders had an army, and he knows for a fact that airbenders were pacifists.

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* Sozin when he abandons Avatar Roku, [[spoiler:his former best friend]], to die and then [[FinalSolution wipes out the Air Nomads all]] to make sure the next Avatar couldn't stop him. [[spoiler:He himself [[HeelRealization realized]] he did this after a lifetime of telling himself it was [[WellIntentionedExtremist necessary for a better world]], but [[HeelFaceDoorSlam far too late to try and atone for it]].]] It's lampshaded when Aang finds out that [[ArtisticLicenseHistory Fire Nation students are taught the airbenders had an army, and he knows for a fact that airbenders were pacifists.pacifists]].

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* In the Book 1 finale, Admiral Zhao crosses this when he [[spoiler:kills the Moon Spirit.]] [[EvilIsPetty It hadn't even done anything to him]]: he wanted to make a name for himself so that he would be remembered by history forever, but as Iroh told him, "History isn't always kind to its subjects."

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* In the Book 1 finale, "[[Recap/AvatarTheLastAirbenderTheSiegeOfTheNorthPart2 The Siege of the North, Part 2]]", Admiral Zhao crosses this when he [[spoiler:kills the Moon Spirit.]] [[EvilIsPetty It hadn't even done anything to him]]: he wanted to make a name for himself so that he would be remembered by history forever, but as Iroh told him, "History isn't always kind to its subjects."



'''''Imbalance'''''
* Yaling just seems to be a blind follower of her mother, loyal and unquestioning her behavior. Then we learn she has no compunctions about trying to kill a Firebender that she and Ru hired when Team Avatar catches him sabotaging the factories. It also ends up being her undoing; Aang saves the Firebender who reveals his employers since he owes the Avatar his life.
* Aang even when finding out that Liling never had any intention of brokering peace believes he can convince her to change her mind, that they can work together in Cranefish town to stop the probender tensions. That doesn't last when she tries murdering her own daughter on learning that the nonbending Ru defected to Team Avatar. Ru pointing out to Liling that she's never seen her own daughter as someone worthy compared to her bending daughter Yaling has no effect on the lady, who proceeds to try to bury Ru alive. In fact, this is part of the reason why Toph advocates that Aang remove Liling's bending, since she's just as bad as Ozai who did the same thing. Aang only doesn't because he sees that it wouldn't teach Liling or her probender followers anything.


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'''''Imbalance'''''
'''''Avatar: The Last Airbender'' comic books'''
* ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderNorthAndSouth North and South]]'': If Gilak didn't cross it when [[spoiler:he stabbed Hakoda in response to Hakoda's offer of forgiveness]], he ''definitely'' did when [[spoiler:he tried to murder both Hakoda and Earth King Kuei at the same time by cutting the bridge out from under them]].
* ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderImbalance Imbalance]]'':
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Yaling just seems to be a blind follower of her mother, loyal and unquestioning her behavior. Then we learn she has no compunctions about trying to kill a Firebender that she and Ru hired when Team Avatar catches him sabotaging the factories. It also ends up being her undoing; Aang saves the Firebender who reveals his employers since he owes the Avatar his life.
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Aang even when finding out that Liling never had any intention of brokering peace believes he can convince her to change her mind, that they can work together in Cranefish town to stop the probender tensions. That doesn't last when she tries murdering her own daughter on learning that the nonbending Ru defected to Team Avatar. Ru pointing out to Liling that she's never seen her own daughter as someone worthy compared to her bending daughter Yaling has no effect on the lady, who proceeds to try to bury Ru alive. In fact, this is part of the reason why Toph advocates that Aang remove Liling's bending, since she's just as bad as Ozai who did the same thing. Aang only doesn't because he sees that it wouldn't teach Liling or her probender followers anything.

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* In the episode "When Extremes Meet", Councilman Tarrlok crosses it when enacts a curfew on a Non-Bender district of Republic City, shuts off the power to said district so he can arrest those who "break curfew" as they come out to complain, arrests the new Team Avatar for trying to help them and to top all off, bloodbends Korra and has her exiled from Republic City and left to die alone, locked in a box.
* The OriginsEpisode ''Beginnings'' introduces Vaatu, the spirit of chaos and all around GodOfEvil. His moment is when he corrupts Wan's spirit friends into dark spirits and causes a fight between them and Wan's human friends. Wan tries to stop the two forces, but he isn't a full Avatar yet and the strain knocks him out. When he comes to, he finds the valley in flames and Vaatu [[EvilGloating gloating about how all of Wan's human friends were completely slaughtered]].
* Unalaq not only crosses it in ''New Spiritual Age'', he ''polevaults'' across it [[spoiler: by nearly wiping out Korra and Jinora's souls. Note, Korra is his ''niece'' and Jinora is an '' 11-year-old girl''. Erasing any ambiguity of his crossing is his sadistic smile which he does these things.]]
* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any redemption for her. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]
* Zaheer and his Red Lotus gang pretty much cross this when after Kya and Bumi are beaten from their battles with Ming Hua and Ghazan, they start [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown attacking Tenzin savagely]]. If that wasn't enough, then Zaheer definitely crosses it in the season finale by poisoning Korra so that she can be forced into the Avatar State and his cohorts can kill her, thus permanently ending the Avatar. And his reaction to [[spoiler:Korra apparently dying in her grieving father's arms]] is to [[EvilLaugh laugh in triumph]].

'''''Ruins Of The Empire'''''
* Guan seems to be a mirror of who Kuvira was, wanting to use Wu's new system to become elected as the Earth Kingdom governor and then reforming the Empire. He also makes legitimate points that Kuvira is a DirtyCoward, which she tries to contest by attacking him during a peace talk. [[spoiler:Then we learn he perfected the Dai Li brainwashing and is using it on voters to hedge his bets. He gets DrunkWithPower and brainwashes half of Team Avatar and Wu, even targeting Korra despite the fact that she agrees they can't use force or canceling the election to stop him. Kuvira herself nearly murders Guan for this when she gets the opportunity in the climax]].

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* In the episode "When "[[Recap/TheLegendOfKorraS1E8WhenExtremesMeet When Extremes Meet", Meet]]", Councilman Tarrlok crosses it when enacts a curfew on a Non-Bender district of Republic City, shuts off the power to said district so he can arrest those who "break curfew" as they come out to complain, arrests the new Team Avatar for trying to help them and to top all off, bloodbends Korra and has her exiled from Republic City and left to die alone, locked in a box.
* The OriginsEpisode ''Beginnings'' "Beginnings" introduces Vaatu, the spirit of chaos and all around GodOfEvil. His moment is when he corrupts Wan's spirit friends into dark spirits and causes a fight between them and Wan's human friends. Wan tries to stop the two forces, but he isn't a full Avatar yet and the strain knocks him out. When he comes to, he finds the valley in flames and Vaatu [[EvilGloating gloating about how all of Wan's human friends were completely slaughtered]].
* If Unalaq not only crosses didn't cross it in ''New Spiritual Age'', "[[Recap/TheLegendOfKorraS2E4CivilWarsPartTwo Civil Wars Part 2]]" when he was discovered to have [[CainAndAbel engineered his brother Tonraq's]] sham trial and prior banishment from the Northern Water Tribe to usurp the chiefdom, he ''polevaults'' across it [[spoiler: in "[[Recap/TheLegendOfKorraS2E10ANewSpiritualAge New Spiritual Age]]" by nearly [[spoiler:nearly wiping out Korra and Jinora's souls. Note, Korra is [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil his ''niece'' niece]] and Jinora is an '' [[WouldHurtAChild 11-year-old girl''. girl]]. Erasing any ambiguity of his crossing is his sadistic smile SlasherSmile which he does these things.]]
* The [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Earth Queen Queen]] crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any redemption for her. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]
* Zaheer and his Red Lotus gang pretty much cross this when after Kya and Bumi are beaten from their battles with Ming Hua and Ghazan, they start [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown attacking Tenzin savagely]]. If that wasn't enough, then Zaheer definitely crosses it in the season finale by poisoning Korra so that she can be forced into the Avatar State and his cohorts can kill her, thus permanently ending the Avatar. And his reaction to [[spoiler:Korra apparently dying in her grieving father's arms]] is to [[EvilLaugh laugh in triumph]].

'''''Ruins Of The Empire'''''
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'''''Legend of Korra'' comics'''
* ''[[ComicBook/TheLegendOfKorraTurfWars Turf Wars]]'':
** Raiko not only tries to turn the public against Korra to distract them from the reasons they’re angry at him, but it's implied that he withheld food from the refugees just to screw Zhu Li over out of spite, even though Zhu Li did nothing to antagonize Raiko in the first place. Even the fans who defended him up to this point have a hard time here.
** How does Tokuga plan to take control of Republic City? He threatens to release a cloud of poison gas on the populace if Korra and Raiko don't do as he says.
* ''[[ComicBook/TheLegendOfKorraRuinsOfTheEmpire Ruins of the Empire]]'':
Guan seems to be a mirror of who Kuvira was, wanting to use Wu's new system to become elected as the Earth Kingdom governor and then reforming the Empire. He also makes legitimate points that Kuvira is a DirtyCoward, which she tries to contest by attacking him during a peace talk. [[spoiler:Then we learn he perfected the Dai Li brainwashing and is using it on voters to hedge his bets. He gets DrunkWithPower and brainwashes half of Team Avatar and Wu, even targeting Korra despite the fact that she agrees they can't use force or canceling the election to stop him. Kuvira herself nearly murders Guan for this when she gets the opportunity in the climax]].



* In ''Rise of Kyoshi'', Jianzhu crosses it by [[spoiler:leaving Yun to die in the Spirit World when Father Glowworm confirms he is not the Avatar. He then murders his best friend and Kyoshi's adoptive father Kelsang when the Air Nomad tries to stop him. Kyoshi considers both these points to be this as well, refusing to accept him as her teacher]]. Sure enough, [[spoiler: Yun ends up striking the decisive blow against Jianzhu and murders him painfully in revenge at the end of the novel]].
* In the same book, Xu Ping An firmly places himself above this when he sadistically butchers dozens of villages out of his sheer egomania that the world owes a debt to him and is above everyone to be judged. If that was not enough, the time he beats up a family and forces the child and mother watch the father be be slowly boiled to death to simply let off some steam would be as that's Kyoshi's breaking point and calling out to him that such sadistic acts makes his entire existence insulting to her.
* ''Shadow of Kyoshi'' features the moment where [[spoiler:Yun snaps]]. It's understandable that he's been through a TraumaCongaLine on finding out he wasn't the Avatar and that Jianzhu left him to die in the Spirit World while kidnapping Kyoshi, one of his {{Only Friend}}s, and left him to fight Father Glowworm who tries to eat him alive. After he escapes, when he's dying and begging for a sip of water at an inn but having no money, the innkeeper mocks him for claiming to be the Avatar. You can't blame him for giving them all a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for how the ordinary citizens treat their so-called chosen one and they don't appreciate the sacrifices he made. What's not-so-understandable is when he [[spoiler:kills everyone in the inn, and anyone in the town who weren't fast enough to escape, as retaliation, including one innocent, albeit rude, person that tries to defuse the situation by giving him their water]].

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* In ''Rise of Kyoshi'', ''Literature/TheRiseOfKyoshi'', Jianzhu crosses it by [[spoiler:leaving Yun to die in the Spirit World when Father Glowworm confirms he is not the Avatar. He then murders his best friend and Kyoshi's adoptive father Kelsang when the Air Nomad tries to stop him. Kyoshi considers both these points to be this as well, refusing to accept him as her teacher]]. Sure enough, [[spoiler: Yun ends up striking the decisive blow against Jianzhu and murders him painfully in revenge at the end of the novel]].
* In the same book, Xu Ping An firmly places himself above this when he sadistically butchers dozens of villages out of his sheer egomania that the world owes a debt to him and is above everyone to be judged. If that was not enough, the time he beats up a family and forces the child and mother watch the father be be slowly boiled to death to simply let off some steam would be as that's Kyoshi's breaking point and calling out to him that such sadistic acts makes his entire existence insulting to her.
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* ''Shadow of Kyoshi'' ''Literature/TheShadowOfKyoshi'' features the moment where [[spoiler:Yun snaps]]. It's understandable that he's been through a TraumaCongaLine on finding out he wasn't the Avatar and that Jianzhu left him to die in the Spirit World while kidnapping Kyoshi, one of his {{Only Friend}}s, and left him to fight Father Glowworm who tries to eat him alive. After he escapes, when he's dying and begging for a sip of water at an inn but having no money, the innkeeper mocks him for claiming to be the Avatar. You can't blame him for giving them all a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for how the ordinary citizens treat their so-called chosen one and they don't appreciate the sacrifices he made. What's not-so-understandable is when he [[spoiler:kills everyone in the inn, and anyone in the town who weren't fast enough to escape, as retaliation, including one innocent, albeit rude, person that tries to defuse the situation by giving him their water]].
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* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong-Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving [[HarmfulToMinors her family to find her body]]. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to [[DirtyCoward offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought]]. Then Katara admits his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.

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* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong-Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving [[HarmfulToMinors her family to find her body]]. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to [[DirtyCoward offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought]]. Then Katara admits [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim admits]] his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.
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* Colonel Mongke crossed it when it was revealed that he and the Rough Rhinos were the ones who murdered [[spoiler:Jet's parents]].


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* Combustion Man crossed the line by [[spoiler:refusing to obey Zuko when (having pulled off a HeelFaceTurn) he calls off his pursuit of the Avatar]]. In fact, WordOfGod's revelation that he felt his mission would still be in Ozai's interests (and possibly Azula's) proves that point.
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* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any [[BeyondRedemption redemption for her]]. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]

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* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for an army and is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any [[BeyondRedemption redemption for her]].her. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]
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I'm pretty sure this is her MEH since it's much worse


* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she hires poachers to capture Air Bison for steaks, [[spoiler: and that she possibly killed and ate her father's bear,]] there probably isn't any [[BeyondRedemption redemption for her]]. As if extorting her own citizens wasn't enough.

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* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she hires poachers to capture Air Bison kidnapped several post-Harmonic Convergence airbenders for steaks, [[spoiler: an army and that she possibly killed and ate her father's bear,]] is fine with the Dai Li killing any possible deserters ([[WouldHurtAChild chlidren included]]), there probably isn't any [[BeyondRedemption redemption for her]]. As if extorting her own citizens wasn't enough. [[spoiler:Her SupernaturalSuffocation in the hands of Zaheer, another post-Harmonic Convergence airbender, was well-deserved.]]
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* In the Book 1 finale, Admiral Zhao crosses this when he [[spoiler:kills the Moon Spirit.]] It hadn't even done anything to him: he wanted to make a name for himself so that he would be remembered by history forever, but as Iroh told him, "History isn't always kind to its subjects."
* [[EvilOverlord Fire Lord Ozai]] started at this and just kept running, becoming the most thoroughly unsympathetic villain in the entire series. After his son disrespected one of the generals in the war room because he didn't agree with the idea of using fresh recruits as bait, Ozai ''burned half his face'' and sent him on a SnipeHunt. Still, villains have been redeemed from worse. What truly defines him is his utter ''excitement'' at carrying out his plan in the finale, which is to [[spoiler:quell rebellion in the Earth Kingdom by ''burning the continent to nothing''.]]

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* In the Book 1 finale, Admiral Zhao crosses this when he [[spoiler:kills the Moon Spirit.]] [[EvilIsPetty It hadn't even done anything to him: him]]: he wanted to make a name for himself so that he would be remembered by history forever, but as Iroh told him, "History isn't always kind to its subjects."
* [[EvilOverlord Fire Lord Ozai]] started at this and just kept running, becoming the most thoroughly [[HateSink unsympathetic villain villain]] in the entire series. After his son disrespected one of the generals in the war room because he didn't agree with the idea of using fresh recruits as bait, Ozai ''burned ''[[DisproportionateRetribution burned half his face'' face]]'' and sent him on a SnipeHunt. Still, villains have been redeemed from worse. What truly defines him is his utter ''excitement'' at carrying out his plan in the finale, which is to [[spoiler:quell rebellion in the Earth Kingdom by ''burning the continent to nothing''.]]



* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving her family to find her body. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought. Then Katara admits his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.

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* Most firebending generals and soldiers are shown as being an AntiVillain ObliviouslyEvil posse, with Jeong Jeong-Jeong saying that he was in the army for years before realizing he was enabling atrocities. Then we come across Yon Rha, who murdered an innocent woman in her home after she lied about being the last South Pole waterbender. Zuko, formerly Fire Nation, shows disgust when he admits that he went against protocol and killed Kya in cold blood, leaving [[HarmfulToMinors her family to find her body.body]]. Katara says that her mother lied because ''she'' is the later waterbender, and comes close to impaling Yon Rha with frozen rain shards. His response is to [[DirtyCoward offer up ''his'' own mother for her to kill and smiling about the thought.thought]]. Then Katara admits his death wouldn't give her satisfaction because he's a pathetic old man, and leaves him to sob in the rain. She still says she doesn't forgive him, however, and Aang admits that not everyone deserves forgiveness necessarily.



* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she hires poachers to capture Air Bison for steaks, [[spoiler: and that she possibly killed and ate her father's bear,]] there probably isn't any redemption for her. As if extorting her own citizens wasn't enough.

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* The Earth Queen crossed this a while ago in her treatment of her citizens, but with the revelation that she hires poachers to capture Air Bison for steaks, [[spoiler: and that she possibly killed and ate her father's bear,]] there probably isn't any [[BeyondRedemption redemption for her.her]]. As if extorting her own citizens wasn't enough.

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About permanent/irredeemable shifts to villainy, if still up to audiences/undertake some redemption not this. And not this if not actually crossed.


* InUniverse, Aang and Sokka warn Katara that she would cross over this if she finds and murder her mother's killer in cold-blood.



* In-universe, Baatar Jr.'s family feels he crossed it by siding with Kuvira and imprisoning them, except for Suyin who feels that [[spoiler:he received enough punishment when Kuvira tried to kill him]]. They still treat him with hostility and awkwardness, even his own father, and his little sister Opal is never letting him live it down. Baatar Jr. himself feels that he deserves the punishment of [[spoiler:house arrest with a parent and many siblings who hate his guts]] and is working to make up for his mistake with [[spoiler:the deprogramming machine]]. Whether or not he can uncross the MEH is up to the readers.

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* In-universe, Baatar Jr.'s family feels he crossed it by siding with Kuvira and imprisoning them, except for Suyin who feels that [[spoiler:he received enough punishment when Kuvira tried to kill him]]. They still treat him with hostility and awkwardness, even his own father, and his little sister Opal is never letting him live it down. Baatar Jr. himself feels that he deserves the punishment of [[spoiler:house arrest with a parent and many siblings who hate his guts]] and is working to make up for his mistake with [[spoiler:the deprogramming machine]]. Whether or not he can uncross the MEH is up to the readers.
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-->-- '''Sokka''' (after he finds out that Fire Lord Ozai plans to [[spoiler: [[FinalSolution wipe out the Earth Kingdom]]]]), ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender''

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-->-- '''Sokka''' (after he finds out that Fire Lord Ozai plans to [[spoiler: [[FinalSolution wipe out the Earth Kingdom]]]]), '''Sokka''', ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender''
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As discussed in the MEH cleanup page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14984878480A61564600&page=48, Hiroshi Sato and Kuvira managed to redeem themselves in-Universe and out-of-universe, while Varrick is a misuse.
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As discussed in the MEH cleanup page:

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