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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'''s "Roswell That Ends Well," Farnsworth has no idea how in-universe time travel works since it's an uncommon event that can only happen through a freak accident. [[spoiler:[[YouAlreadyChangedThePast It turns out the past is unalterable]], though the series as a whole made it [[TimeyWimeyBall more variable]], [[FridgeBrilliance potentially making Farnsworth]] [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight actually correct]].]]
-->'''Farnsworth:''' You mustn't interfere with the past. Don't do anything that affects anything, unless it turns out you were supposed to do it. In which case, for the love of God, don't not do it!


* ''Film/AvengersEndgame'': [[ComicBook/AntMan Scott Lang]] and Rhodey expect time travel to work just like in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' and every other movie dealing with the subject. A frustrated Hulk explicitly tells them that time travel doesn't work that way.(for instance, Scott believes in NeverTheSelvesShallMeet, while [[spoiler:present [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Steve]] ends up in a MirrorMatch with the Steve from just after [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Battle of New York]]]]).

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* ''Film/AvengersEndgame'': [[ComicBook/AntMan Scott Lang]] and Rhodey expect time travel to work just like in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' and every other movie dealing with the subject. A frustrated Hulk explicitly tells them that time travel doesn't work that way.(for For instance, Scott believes in NeverTheSelvesShallMeet, while [[spoiler:present [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Steve]] ends up in a MirrorMatch with the Steve from just after [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Battle of New York]]]]).York]].]]


* ''Film/AvengersEndgame'': [[ComicBook/AntMan Scott Lang]] expects time travel to work just like ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', which the other Avengers ridicule him for (for instance, Scott believes in NeverTheSelvesShallMeet, while [[spoiler:present [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Steve]] ends up in a MirrorMatch with the Steve from just after [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Battle of New York]]]]).

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* ''Film/AvengersEndgame'': [[ComicBook/AntMan Scott Lang]] expects and Rhodey expect time travel to work just like ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', which the in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' and every other Avengers ridicule him for movie dealing with the subject. A frustrated Hulk explicitly tells them that time travel doesn't work that way.(for instance, Scott believes in NeverTheSelvesShallMeet, while [[spoiler:present [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Steve]] ends up in a MirrorMatch with the Steve from just after [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Battle of New York]]]]).


** Arguably, in ''Film/TheTerminator'', Kyle and Skynet [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast erroneously believe history can be changed]]. Then ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'' retcons it so that they're right.

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** Arguably, in ''Film/TheTerminator'', Kyle and Skynet [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast erroneously believe history can be changed]]. Then ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'' retcons it so that they're right. [[note]]James Cameron's original plan was that the series would take place in a malleable timeline the whole time, but the prevention of Judgment Day had to be moved to the sequel due to being too much for just one film.[[/note]]
* ''Film/AvengersEndgame'': [[ComicBook/AntMan Scott Lang]] expects time travel to work just like ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', which the other Avengers ridicule him for (for instance, Scott believes in NeverTheSelvesShallMeet, while [[spoiler:present [[Characters/MCUCaptainAmerica Steve]] ends up in a MirrorMatch with the Steve from just after [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Battle of New York]]]]).


* In ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''Series/AshesToAshes'', both protagonists [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong attempt to change history]], but fail despite their best efforts, leading them to draw the conclusion that the past cannot be changed. They also meet close relations and have close encounters with, but deliberately avoid actually meeting themselves. Then suddenly in series 2 of ''Ashes'', it all goes to hell when the BigBad [[spoiler:shoots his younger self in the face and frames Alex for the murder]]. NeverTheSelvesShallMeet [[SubvertedTrope indeed]].

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* In ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''Series/AshesToAshes'', ''Series/AshesToAshes2008'', both protagonists [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong attempt to change history]], but fail despite their best efforts, leading them to draw the conclusion that the past cannot be changed. They also meet close relations and have close encounters with, but deliberately avoid actually meeting themselves. Then suddenly in series 2 of ''Ashes'', it all goes to hell when the BigBad [[spoiler:shoots his younger self in the face and frames Alex for the murder]]. NeverTheSelvesShallMeet [[SubvertedTrope indeed]].


* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, old Spock claims NeverTheSelvesShallMeet to convince Kirk not to reveal his existence to his past self. He's actually lying, and just wanted to keep away from them so their friendship would develop naturally, but Kirk had no way to know that.

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* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, ''Film/StarTrek2009'', old Spock claims NeverTheSelvesShallMeet to convince Kirk not to reveal his existence to his past self. He's actually lying, and just wanted to keep away from them so their friendship would develop naturally, but Kirk had no way to know that.

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* ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'': Omi [[TheSlowPath freezes himself]] to recover the Sands of Time from his future self. Spot the flaw in this plan. [[spoiler: If Omi spends all of his time frozen, he can't give himself the Sands of Time because his old self wouldn't exist. [[LampshadeHanging The show does point this out.]]]]


* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, old Spock claims NeverTheSelvesShallMeet to convince Kirk not to reveal his existence to his past self. He's actually lying, but Kirk had no way to know that.

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* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, old Spock claims NeverTheSelvesShallMeet to convince Kirk not to reveal his existence to his past self. He's actually lying, and just wanted to keep away from them so their friendship would develop naturally, but Kirk had no way to know that.


* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, old Spock relies on Kirk's lack of knowledge about the mechanics of time travel in convincing Kirk not to reveal old Spock's existence to his past self.

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* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film, old Spock relies on Kirk's lack of knowledge about the mechanics of time travel in convincing claims NeverTheSelvesShallMeet to convince Kirk not to reveal old Spock's his existence to his past self.self. He's actually lying, but Kirk had no way to know that.


* In the ''Series/StargateSG1'' episode "1969", Carter spends most of the episode telling the rest of the team they have to be careful not to change the past. Yet she doesn't seem to realize that Hammond's handing them the note before they left pretty much proves they're in a StableTimeLoop. But this fits with Carter's regular habit of introducing unnecessary complications into other people's plans just because the writers think it makes her look smarter.

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* In the ''Series/StargateSG1'' episode "1969", Carter spends most of the episode telling the rest of the team they have to be careful not to change the past. Yet she doesn't seem to realize that Hammond's handing them the note before they left pretty much proves they're in a StableTimeLoop. But this fits with Carter's regular habit of introducing unnecessary complications into other people's plans just because the writers think it makes her look smarter. On the other hand, later episodes dealing with TimeTravel reveal that history can be changed.


* ''The Time Ships'' by Creator/StephenBaxter is a sequel to Creator/HGWells' ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', detailing the Time Traveler's adventures after he vanishes at the end of the first book. He's heading back to the future to rescue Weena (a rare instance of SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong in which the "once" is in the future, though in his personal past), but finds the future [[ButterflyOfDoom radically changed]] because his story was published as a novel, preventing the BadFuture of Eloi and Morlocks. After learning this he [[LampshadeHanging muses dismally]] about how he'd expected history to be like a room he could move through while it remained basically unchanged.

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* ''The Time Ships'' ''Literature/TheTimeShips'' by Creator/StephenBaxter is a sequel to Creator/HGWells' ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', detailing the Time Traveler's adventures after he vanishes at the end of the first book. He's heading back to the future to rescue Weena (a rare instance of SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong in which the "once" is in the future, though in his personal past), but finds the future [[ButterflyOfDoom radically changed]] because his story was published as a novel, preventing the BadFuture of Eloi and Morlocks. After learning this he [[LampshadeHanging muses dismally]] about how he'd expected history to be like a room he could move through while it remained basically unchanged.


* Creator/LarryNiven:
** In ''Get A Horse'' (and the other stories in the Svetz series) features time travel based on the premise that, since time travel is impossible, [[InsaneTrollLogic if you travel back in time you actually enter a fantasy world.]] Thus, when the hero goes back in time to bring back a horse, he finds a unicorn. When he goes back to bring back a whale, he finds Moby Dick, and so on. No one in the series ever figures out that they aren't visiting the past, but rather are visiting fiction. Svetz, the titular protagonist, also finds a werewolf when he is after a dog, and finds a Roc chick when going after an ostrich.
** In ''Rainbow Mars'', the pattern continues, as the ancient Mars the characters visit contains elements from fictional Marses created by Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs, Creator/RayBradbury, Creator/HGWells and others.

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* Creator/LarryNiven:
** In ''Get A Horse'' (and the other stories in the
Creator/LarryNiven: The Hanville Svetz series) series (beginning with "Get a Horse") features time travel based on the premise that, since time travel is impossible, [[InsaneTrollLogic if you travel back in time you actually enter a fantasy world.]] Thus, when the hero Svetz goes back in time to bring back a horse, he finds a unicorn. When he goes back to bring back a whale, he finds Moby Dick, and so on. No one in the series ever figures out that they aren't visiting the past, but rather are visiting fiction. Svetz, the titular protagonist, Svetz also finds a werewolf when he is after a dog, and finds a Roc chick when going after an ostrich.
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ostrich. In ''Rainbow Mars'', the pattern continues, as the ancient Mars the characters visit contains elements from fictional Marses created by Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs, Creator/RayBradbury, Creator/HGWells and others.


** One interpretation of ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'' (and the whole series) is that the characters are tragically wrong about the whole "no fate" thing.

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** One interpretation of ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'' (and the whole series) is that the characters are [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast tragically wrong wrong]] about the whole "no fate" thing.



** Arguably, in ''Film/TheTerminator'', Kyle and Skynet erroneously believe history can be changed. Then ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'' retcons it so that they're right.

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** Arguably, in ''Film/TheTerminator'', Kyle and Skynet [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast erroneously believe history can be changed.changed]]. Then ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'' retcons it so that they're right.


* Alfred Bester's ''The Men Who Murdered Mohammed'' plays around with this. A scientist attempts to erase his wife out of existence after he finds her cheating on him. He whips up a time machine, and goes back in time to kill her grandfather. [[spoiler:The catch? It doesn't work. So, he works bigger, rampaging through time, killing more and more famous people (hence the title, as even when he murders the founder of a major world religion nothing changes) with absolutely no effect on the present until, finally, he meets a fellow time traveler who explains that the past he's killing is his own, and he's unhinged himself from reality because of his actions]].

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* Alfred Bester's Creator/AlfredBester's ''The Men Who Murdered Mohammed'' plays around with this. A scientist attempts to erase his wife out of existence after he finds her cheating on him. He whips up a time machine, and goes back in time to kill her grandfather. [[spoiler:The catch? It doesn't work. So, he works bigger, rampaging through time, killing more and more famous people (hence the title, as even when he murders the founder of a major world religion nothing changes) with absolutely no effect on the present until, finally, he meets a fellow time traveler who explains that the past he's killing is his own, and he's unhinged himself from reality because of his actions]].


* ''The Time Ships'' by StephenBaxter is a sequel to Creator/HGWells' ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', detailing the Time Traveler's adventures after he vanishes at the end of the first book. He's heading back to the future to rescue Weena (a rare instance of SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong in which the "once" is in the future, though in his personal past), but finds the future [[ButterflyOfDoom radically changed]] because his story was published as a novel, preventing the BadFuture of Eloi and Morlocks. After learning this he [[LampshadeHanging muses dismally]] about how he'd expected history to be like a room he could move through while it remained basically unchanged.

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* ''The Time Ships'' by StephenBaxter Creator/StephenBaxter is a sequel to Creator/HGWells' ''Literature/TheTimeMachine'', detailing the Time Traveler's adventures after he vanishes at the end of the first book. He's heading back to the future to rescue Weena (a rare instance of SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong in which the "once" is in the future, though in his personal past), but finds the future [[ButterflyOfDoom radically changed]] because his story was published as a novel, preventing the BadFuture of Eloi and Morlocks. After learning this he [[LampshadeHanging muses dismally]] about how he'd expected history to be like a room he could move through while it remained basically unchanged.

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