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* Mentioned but not used very much in ''MetalGearSolid2''. Snake sneaks aboard a tanker that is crewed by Marines who are guarding a new Metal Gear variant. As such, he is armed only with a tranquilizer gun so that he won't cause any fatalities amongst the Marines who are simply doing their duty. However, that all goes out the window when the ship is taken over by Ocelot's mercenaries.

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* Mentioned but not used very much in ''MetalGearSolid2''.''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''. Snake sneaks aboard a tanker that is crewed by Marines who are guarding a new Metal Gear variant. As such, he is armed only with a tranquilizer gun so that he won't cause any fatalities amongst the Marines who are simply doing their duty. However, that all goes out the window when the ship is taken over by Ocelot's mercenaries.
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* Totally and completely [[AvertedTrope averted]] in the first season of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex''. After [[spoiler: the whole of Section 9]] is falsely accused of a crime, you would need an accountant to keep track of the dead among the black-ops military team sent to ''arrest'' them.

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* Totally and completely [[AvertedTrope averted]] in the first season of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex''. After [[spoiler: the whole of Section 9]] is falsely accused of a crime, you would need an accountant to keep track of the dead among the black-ops military team sent to ''arrest'' them. They even finished off soldiers who had already been neutralized as a threat.



* There's an odd example in ''[[XWingSeries Solo Command]]''. Lara Notsil gets discovered to be the woman who caused the deaths of Talon Squadron, and she's well aware that the fact that she [[BecomingTheMask became the mask]] and went through a HeelFaceTurn doesn't change her history. Despite being shot at by her love interest, the only surviving member of Talon Squadron, all she does is flee. She goes to the enemy, Warlord Zsinj, as a FakeDefector, and when she actually has to face the squadron she powers down her lasers. Suspecting the situation, Wedge Antilles orders that she isn't to be fired on.

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* There's an odd example in ''[[XWingSeries Solo Command]]''. Lara Notsil gets discovered to be the woman who caused the deaths of Talon Squadron, and she's well aware that the fact that she [[BecomingTheMask became the mask]] and went through a HeelFaceTurn doesn't change her history. Despite being shot at by her love interest, the only surviving member of Talon Squadron, all she does is flee. She goes to the enemy, Warlord Zsinj, as a FakeDefector, and when she actually has to face the squadron she powers down her lasers.lasers so that she can shoot at them without actually doing damage. Suspecting the situation, Wedge Antilles orders that she isn't to be fired on. [[spoiler:And it turns out that her low-powered lasers were doing more than just giving the pretense of attacking; she was blasting them with an encoded message.]]
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* During the Heavenly Emperor Arc in ''FistOfTheNorthStar'', Kenshiro comes to realize that Falco and his soldiers are honorable good people, so he avoids fighting them while figuring out why they seem forced to do evil deeds.

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* During the Heavenly Emperor Arc in ''FistOfTheNorthStar'', ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Kenshiro comes to realize that Falco and his soldiers are honorable good people, so he avoids fighting them while figuring out why they seem forced to do evil deeds.



* In a Marvel ''What If?'', CaptainAmerica refused to lay aside the name (instead of the arc when he was just The Captain). Soldiers come after him, having been told he's an imposter; one actually thinks it's hard to believe that it's not CaptainAmerica, but jumps into the fray. CaptainAmerica doesn't want to hurt them.

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* In a Marvel ''What If?'', CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica refused to lay aside the name (instead of the arc when he was just The Captain). Soldiers come after him, having been told he's an imposter; one actually thinks it's hard to believe that it's not CaptainAmerica, Comic/CaptainAmerica, but jumps into the fray. CaptainAmerica Cap doesn't want to hurt them.



* The final run of Creator/GarthEnnis' ''Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. This would appear to only apply to ''American'' soldiers, too; he has few qualms stop him shooting up Russian soldiers in a nuclear missile base. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].

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* The final run of Creator/GarthEnnis' ''Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. This would appear to only apply to ''American'' soldiers, too; he has few qualms stop him shooting up doesn't hesitate to shoot Russian soldiers in a nuclear missile base. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].



* The heroes in the film version of ''{{RED}}'' go out of their way not to kill any of the police, feds or secret service agents trying to catch them, instead pinning them down with suppression fire and running away. The only people they ever do kill are the mercenaries and CIA spooks actively trying to kill them.

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* The heroes in the film version of ''{{RED}}'' ''{{Film/RED}}'' go out of their way not to kill any of the police, feds or secret service agents trying to catch them, instead pinning them down with suppression fire and running away. The only people they ever do kill are the mercenaries and CIA spooks actively trying to kill them.
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** Later, it does indeed all go downhill for him in the eyes of the law and the public when he [[spoiler: takes the blame for the murder of Harvey Dent.]]

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** Later, it does indeed all go downhill for him in the eyes of the law and the public when he [[spoiler: takes the blame for the murder death of Harvey Dent.Dent (and the murders ''he'' committed).]]
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* In ''CallofDutyBlackOps2'' one of the missions has the player in the role of the mole in [[BigBad Menedez's]] organisation who has no choice but to kill any Yemeni soldiers who gets in his way for self-defence and to keep his cover.

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* In ''CallofDutyBlackOps2'' ''VideoGame/CallofDutyBlackOps2'' one of the missions has the player in the role of the mole in [[BigBad Menedez's]] organisation who has no choice but to kill any Yemeni soldiers who gets in his way for self-defence and to keep his cover.
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* During the ''Chaos Rising'' expansion of ''DawnofWar 2'', this can be played straight by killing only Chaos tainted members of the [[spoiler: Blood Raven Honour Guard]] to preserve purity points or averted by killing everyone who gets in your way to corrupt your squad.

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* During the ''Chaos Rising'' expansion of ''DawnofWar ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar 2'', this can be played straight by killing only Chaos tainted members of the [[spoiler: Blood Raven Honour Guard]] to preserve purity points or averted by killing everyone who gets in your way to corrupt your squad.
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* Shirou has this attitude during the [[FateStayNight Grail War]], which causes every single one of his allies to facepalm or threaten him with death. Seriously, only going after bad guys in a ThereCanBeOnlyOne fight to the death?

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* Shirou has this attitude during the [[FateStayNight [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Grail War]], which causes every single one of his allies to facepalm or threaten him with death. Seriously, only going after bad guys in a ThereCanBeOnlyOne fight to the death?
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It bothers me that this keeps being taken out. Good for Frank, he didn\'t kill a bunch of US spec ops, but the troops he fights in the Mother Russia story are clearly shown to be frightened conscripts.


* The final run of Creator/GarthEnnis' ''Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].

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* The final run of Creator/GarthEnnis' ''Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. This would appear to only apply to ''American'' soldiers, too; he has few qualms stop him shooting up Russian soldiers in a nuclear missile base. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].
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* In ''[[VideoGame/DeadlyRoomsOfDeath DROD]]: The City Beneath'', when Beethro returns to his hometown of Dugandy and finds the royal guards now have orders to kill him, at first he says "I don't know if I could kill a fellow Dugandite." Whether he makes it through this part of the game living up to that, or changes his mind and slaughters every guard in sight, [[PacifistRun is up to the player]].

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* In TheDCU, the Vigilante (the Adrian Chase version) refused to shoot at honest cops, even when they were trying to shoot him.



* In Creator/DanAbnett's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Literature/{{Eisenhorn}} novels, Eisenhorn has to kill several fellow Inquisitors, because they were set on his trail by a rogue Inquisitor and if he dies, no one will stop the rogue. He feels it very hard.

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* In Creator/DanAbnett's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Literature/{{Eisenhorn}} ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''Literature/{{Eisenhorn}}'' novels, Eisenhorn has to kill several fellow Inquisitors, because they were set on his trail by a rogue Inquisitor and if he dies, no one will stop the rogue. He feels it very hard.



* Literature/TheHungerGames plays with averting this trope as Katniss continually has to remind herself that she might have to kill sympathetic competitors such the child, Rue, or her friend Peeta in order to survive the game. Ultimately, [[spoiler: she doesn't have to kill any sympathetic characters, however in the third book of the trilogy, ''Mockingjay'', the trope is finally averted when she cold-bloodedly shoots an innocent bystander during the final battle.]]
* Harry Dresden of Literature/TheDresdenFiles goes way out of his way to keep cops out of harm's way, even when they're shooting at him. While it has nothing to do with his intentions - and in fact it's doubtful whether Harry ''ever'' thinks that far in advance - that position buys him credibility and favors from many skeptical cops.
* The SwordOfTruth has the titular sword magically enforce this trope - the wielder physically cannot harm someone they ''believe'' to be innocent. Of course, that necessitates that only incredibly perceptive and quick-thinking people are qualified for the position, because there's a deep gulf between belief and fact. [[spoiler: Richard discovers that the restriction only applies when the sword is powered by anger. When it's powered by love, it's no-holds-barred. Interestingly, this turns out to ultimately be the key to the power of Orden - being able to unlock the love mode and do what has to be done, regardless of the cost. YMMV.]]

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* Literature/TheHungerGames ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' plays with averting this trope as Katniss continually has to remind herself that she might have to kill sympathetic competitors such the child, Rue, or her friend Peeta in order to survive the game. Ultimately, [[spoiler: she doesn't have to kill any sympathetic characters, however in the third book of the trilogy, ''Mockingjay'', the trope is finally averted when she cold-bloodedly shoots an innocent bystander during the final battle.]]
* Harry Dresden of Literature/TheDresdenFiles ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' goes way out of his way to keep cops out of harm's way, even when they're shooting at him. While it has nothing to do with his intentions - and in fact it's doubtful whether Harry ''ever'' thinks that far in advance - that position buys him credibility and favors from many skeptical cops.
* The SwordOfTruth ''SwordOfTruth'' has the titular sword magically enforce this trope - the wielder physically cannot harm someone they ''believe'' to be innocent. Of course, that necessitates that only incredibly perceptive and quick-thinking people are qualified for the position, because there's a deep gulf between belief and fact. [[spoiler: Richard discovers that the restriction only applies when the sword is powered by anger. When it's powered by love, it's no-holds-barred. Interestingly, this turns out to ultimately be the key to the power of Orden - being able to unlock the love mode and do what has to be done, regardless of the cost. YMMV.]]



* In CallofDutyBlackOps2 one of the missions has the player in the role of the mole in [[BigBad Menedez's]] organisation who has no choice but to kill any Yemeni soldiers who gets in his way for self-defence and to keep his cover.
* During the ''Chaos Rising'' expansion of DawnofWar 2, this can be played straight by killing only Chaos tainted members of the [[spoiler: Blood Raven Honour Guard]] to preserve purity points or averted by killing everyone who gets in your way to corrupt your squad.

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* In CallofDutyBlackOps2 ''CallofDutyBlackOps2'' one of the missions has the player in the role of the mole in [[BigBad Menedez's]] organisation who has no choice but to kill any Yemeni soldiers who gets in his way for self-defence and to keep his cover.
* During the ''Chaos Rising'' expansion of DawnofWar 2, ''DawnofWar 2'', this can be played straight by killing only Chaos tainted members of the [[spoiler: Blood Raven Honour Guard]] to preserve purity points or averted by killing everyone who gets in your way to corrupt your squad.



* Discussed in VideoGame/{{Battlefield 3}}, as a GRU Spetsnaz team attempts to stop a terrorist plot to nuke Paris. The team leader points out that there will be no time to establish their credentials with French police, who won't see the difference between them and the terrorists, and that in the grand scheme of things, sacrificing a number of French cops to prevent a war in which ''millions'' of Russians die is no contest. He's clearly unhappy about doing this, however, but feels it has to be done.
* Mentioned but not used very much in MetalGearSolid2. Snake sneaks aboard a tanker that is crewed by Marines who are guarding a new Metal Gear variant. As such, he is armed only with a tranquilizer gun so that he won't cause any fatalities amongst the Marines who are simply doing their duty. However, that all goes out the window when the ship is taken over by Ocelot's mercenaries.

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* Discussed in VideoGame/{{Battlefield 3}}, ''VideoGame/{{Battlefield 3}}'', as a GRU Spetsnaz team attempts to stop a terrorist plot to nuke Paris. The team leader points out that there will be no time to establish their credentials with French police, who won't see the difference between them and the terrorists, and that in the grand scheme of things, sacrificing a number of French cops to prevent a war in which ''millions'' of Russians die is no contest. He's clearly unhappy about doing this, however, but feels it has to be done.
* Mentioned but not used very much in MetalGearSolid2.''MetalGearSolid2''. Snake sneaks aboard a tanker that is crewed by Marines who are guarding a new Metal Gear variant. As such, he is armed only with a tranquilizer gun so that he won't cause any fatalities amongst the Marines who are simply doing their duty. However, that all goes out the window when the ship is taken over by Ocelot's mercenaries.
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* The final run of GarthEnnis' take on ''ThePunisher'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].

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* The final run of GarthEnnis' take on ''ThePunisher'' Creator/GarthEnnis' ''Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. Frank also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].
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* Totally and completely [[AvertedTrope averted]] in the first season of ''[[GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex Ghost in the Shell]]''. After [[spoiler: the whole of Section 9]] is falsely accused of a crime, you would need an accountant to keep track of the dead among the black-ops military team sent to ''arrest'' them.

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* Totally and completely [[AvertedTrope averted]] in the first season of ''[[GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex Ghost in the Shell]]''.''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex''. After [[spoiler: the whole of Section 9]] is falsely accused of a crime, you would need an accountant to keep track of the dead among the black-ops military team sent to ''arrest'' them.
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* ''TheExecutioner'' novel series. Mack Bolan decided early on that he would not fire on police officers, even though being arrested would end his war against the Mafia (and result in his death once the Mafia got to him in prison).That may, however, have been pragmatism as much as anything. Bolan was savvy to the fact that as long as only bad guys died, the law would feel inclined to look the other way. As soon as innocents or cops start dying, the boys in blue will tear heaven and earth apart to find you.

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* ''TheExecutioner'' novel series. Mack Bolan decided early on that he would not fire on police officers, even though being arrested would end his war against the Mafia (and result in his death once the Mafia got to him in prison). That may, however, have been pragmatism as much as anything. As seen in the page quote, Bolan was savvy to the fact that as long as only bad guys died, the law would feel inclined to look the other way. As soon as innocents or cops start dying, the boys in blue will tear heaven and earth apart to find you.
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* Crops up in a late-series episode of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' when the main characters are attempting to infiltrate Cardassian territory in a captured enemy warship. A Federation starship detects them and opens fire Unable to break radio silence without potentially blowing their cover, and unable to simply outrun their pursuer, Sisko eventually -and reluctantly- orders his crew to return fire and target the Federation ship's weapon systems. It forces the ship to break off the attack without destroying it, but it's very possible that some of its crew were killed or badly injured. [[DarkerAndEdgier That's DS9 for you.]]

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* In the original ''SplinterCell'', killing CIA security forces while trying to break into CIA Headquarters resulted in an instant mission failure. In ''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%. The same applies to the ROK soldiers during the Seoul mission. Killing the guards at the Panamanian bank however won't incur that penalty however - despite them being rent-a-cops and the bankers being the ones brokering for terrorists. In the final mission, killing JSDF personnel while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it). This trope is played straight in ''Convictions'' for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In ''Blacklist'', this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign.
** The NintendoGameCube version ''forced'' you to avert this trope at times. There was only one trust meter, which went back and forth between NSA and JBA. Sometimes you had no choice but to gun down a couple of security guards or police if you were leaning too close to the former.
** For a certain definition of good guys,[[spoiler:the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in ''Blacklist'' despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed and actually attempting to apprehend one of the villains involved with the attacks.]] This is likely because the country is an adversary state to the US, [[spoiler:and the IRGC is listed as a terrorist organisation, even if they are innocent of backing the Engineers.]]

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''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%. The same applies to the ROK soldiers during the Seoul mission. Killing the guards at the Panamanian bank however won't incur that penalty however - despite them being rent-a-cops and the bankers being the ones brokering for terrorists. In the final mission, killing JSDF personnel while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out Towards the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member end of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it). This trope is played straight in ''Convictions'' for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In ''Blacklist'', this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one that mission of though, lethal force is authorised when it is clear who are the co-op campaign.real enemies.
** **Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it). The NintendoGameCube version and 6th Generation versions ''forced'' you to avert this trope at times. There was only [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust one trust meter, meter]], which went back and forth between NSA and JBA. Sometimes you had no choice but to gun down a couple of security guards or police if you were leaning too close to the former.
** **This trope is played straight in ''Convictions'' for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In coop, the protagonists are prohibited from killing the St Petersburg SWAT team and Azeri police in the following mission. The Russian bodyguards/plain-clothed soldiers guarding the GRU delegation in the aforementioned mission cannot be dealt with lethally until it is confirmed the general they are protecting is dirty.
**In ''Blacklist'', this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign.
For a certain definition of good guys,[[spoiler:the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in ''Blacklist'' despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed and actually attempting to apprehend one of the villains involved with the attacks.]] This is likely because the country is an adversary state to the US, [[spoiler:and the IRGC is listed as a terrorist organisation, even if they are innocent of backing the Engineers.]] ]]
*In CallofDutyBlackOps2 one of the missions has the player in the role of the mole in [[BigBad Menedez's]] organisation who has no choice but to kill any Yemeni soldiers who gets in his way for self-defence and to keep his cover.
*During the ''Chaos Rising'' expansion of DawnofWar 2, this can be played straight by killing only Chaos tainted members of the [[spoiler: Blood Raven Honour Guard]] to preserve purity points or averted by killing everyone who gets in your way to corrupt your squad.
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* In ''Film/FirstBlood'', Rambo goes out of his way not to kill any of the cops who are pursuing him and only kills one of them when they really force his hand.

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* In the original ''SplinterCell'', killing CIA security forces while trying to break into CIA Headquarters resulted in an instant mission failure. In ''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%. The same applies to the ROK soldiers during the Seoul Mission. In the final mission, killing JSDF personnel while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it).

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* In the original ''SplinterCell'', killing CIA security forces while trying to break into CIA Headquarters resulted in an instant mission failure. In ''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%. The same applies to the ROK soldiers during the Seoul Mission.mission. Killing the guards at the Panamanian bank however won't incur that penalty however - despite them being rent-a-cops and the bankers being the ones brokering for terrorists. In the final mission, killing JSDF personnel while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it). This trope is played straight in ''Convictions'' for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In ''Blacklist'', this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign.



** This trope is played straight in Convictions for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In Blacklist, this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign. For a certain definition of good guys,[[spoiler:the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in the game despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed for involvement in the Blacklist and actually attempting to apprehend one of the villains involved with the attacks.]] This is likely because the country is an adversary state to the US, [[spoiler:even if they are innocent of backing the Engineers.]]

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** This trope is played straight in Convictions for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In Blacklist, this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign. For a certain definition of good guys,[[spoiler:the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in the game ''Blacklist'' despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed for involvement in the Blacklist and actually attempting to apprehend one of the villains involved with the attacks.]] This is likely because the country is an adversary state to the US, [[spoiler:even [[spoiler:and the IRGC is listed as a terrorist organisation, even if they are innocent of backing the Engineers.]]]]

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*** This trope is played straight in Convictions for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In Blacklist, this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign. The [[spoiler:Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in the game despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed for involvement in the Blacklist]] but because Iran is an adversary state to the US.

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*** ** This trope is played straight in Convictions for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In Blacklist, this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign. The [[spoiler:Iranian For a certain definition of good guys,[[spoiler:the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in the game despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed for involvement in the Blacklist]] but Blacklist and actually attempting to apprehend one of the villains involved with the attacks.]] This is likely because Iran the country is an adversary state to the US.US, [[spoiler:even if they are innocent of backing the Engineers.]]

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* In the original ''SplinterCell'', killing CIA security forces while trying to break into CIA Headquarters resulted in an instant mission failure. In ''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%, and in the final mission killing Japanese soldiers while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards and security guards at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it).

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* In the original ''SplinterCell'', killing CIA security forces while trying to break into CIA Headquarters resulted in an instant mission failure. In ''Chaos Theory'' you could kill U.S. National Guard forces while sneaking around New York, but it'd automatically drop your mission score to 0%, and in 0%. The same applies to the ROK soldiers during the Seoul Mission. In the final mission mission, killing Japanese soldiers JSDF personnel while breaking into a Japanese base results in an instant mission failure (although it's more due to political consequences rather than moral considerations). Completely thrown out the window in ''Double Agent'', where you're undercover as a member of a domestic terrorist group, and can kill prison guards and guards, security guards and Mexican marines at your leisure (although doing so drops your NSA trust meter, which can lead to a game over if you overdo it).


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*** This trope is played straight in Convictions for the most part where the POTUS orders Sam not to kill the DC Metro Police who confronts him. In Blacklist, this extends to the American soldiers while [[spoiler:breaking out of the Guantanamo Bay prison]] and Indian soldiers in one mission of the co-op campaign. The [[spoiler:Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps]] gets no such protection in the game despite [[spoiler:Iran being framed for involvement in the Blacklist]] but because Iran is an adversary state to the US.
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* The final run of GarthEnnis' take on ''ThePunisher'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. Frank `also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].

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* The final run of GarthEnnis' take on ''ThePunisher'' involved Frank being in the sights of a cabal of Corrupt US Army Generals...who use their connections to send a group of special operations soldiers after him. [[CaptainObvious Frank doesn't kill them]], but that doesn't mean he doesn't ''fight'' them. Frank `also also usually takes it easy on superheroes who get between him and his targets. Of course, "taking it easy" for Frank Castle still usually involves fisticuffs, non-lethal shootings, stabbings, and on one occasion, a ''steamroller''. In that particular story, he was fighting {{Wolverine}} and was allowed to go all out since [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Wolverine can always get better]].
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* In ''{{Salt}}'', the titular protagonist tries her very best not to fatally injure any of her "good guy" pursuers. Sure, she causes them a lot of pain and broken bones, but nobody dies, [[spoiler: especially not the Russian President, who is merely knocked out with spider venom.]]
* In ''MinorityReport'', Anderton must first dispatch a group of his own pre-crime teammates, and then with a number of FBI agents. Though law enforcement is already mostly geared toward non-lethal weapons in this universe, Anderton takes more care to make sure none of his comrades are hurt too extensively.

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* In ''{{Salt}}'', ''Film/{{Salt}}'', the titular protagonist tries her very best not to fatally injure any of her "good guy" pursuers. Sure, she causes them a lot of pain and broken bones, but nobody dies, [[spoiler: especially not the Russian President, who is merely knocked out with spider venom.]]
* In ''MinorityReport'', ''Film/MinorityReport'', Anderton must first dispatch a group of his own pre-crime teammates, and then with a number of FBI agents. Though law enforcement is already mostly geared toward non-lethal weapons in this universe, Anderton takes more care to make sure none of his comrades are hurt too extensively.
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* During the Heavenly Emperor Arc in ''FistOfTheNorthStar'', Kenshiro comes to realize that Falco and his soldiers are honorable good people, so he avoids fighting them while figuring out why they seem forced to do evil deeds.
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* In the second season of ''TwentyFour'', Jack breaks orders (as usual) and attempts to sneak out of the CTU with Kate Warner to locate proof that the Middle Eastern country charged with detonating a nuclear bomb on U.S. soil is innocent. Tony discovers this and attempts to keep Jack from leaving by holding him at gunpoint. However, it's merely a bluff and Jack realizes this, using Tony's refusal to actually shoot him as a chance to instead knock him down and escape.
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** The NintendoGameCube version ''forced'' you to avert this trope at times. There was only one trust meter, which went back and forth between NSA and JBA. Sometimes you had no choice but to gun down a couple of security guards or police if you were leaning too close to the former.
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* In ''{{Terminator}} 2: Judgement Day'', John Connor forbids the Terminator from killing the SWAT officers who are swarming the building. The Terminator follows orders, strictly speaking, but stops the cops anyway by [[TechnicalPacifist shooting them in their legs]].

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* In ''{{Terminator}} 2: Judgement Day'', ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'', John Connor forbids the Terminator from killing the SWAT officers who are swarming the building. The Terminator follows orders, strictly speaking, but stops the cops anyway by [[TechnicalPacifist shooting them in their legs]].
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* ''TransformersCybertron'': When Starscream's army is spread out searching and the Autobots are working to try and beat them back, the US Military launches several remote-control drone jets to attack. They are unaware of the different factions at this time, and shoot at Autobot and Decepticon alike. But in spite of taking fire from two directions the Autobots only fire on the Decepticons. Col. Franklin observes this and points it out to SecretKeeper [[HotScientist Lucy Suzuki]], assuaging her brief worry that the Autobots had been deceiving her. The episode comes off as something of a TakeThat to how Autobot-Human military relationships tend to go in the Transformers comics.

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* ''TransformersCybertron'': When While the Autobots fight Starscream's army is spread out searching and the Autobots are working to try and beat them back, army, the US Military launches several remote-control drone jets to attack. They are attack everyone involved, unaware of the different factions at this time, and shoot at Autobot and Decepticon alike. But in spite of factions. Despite taking fire from two directions directions, the Autobots only fire on the Decepticons. Col. Franklin observes this and points it out Decepticons, while the Decepticons "do not hesitate to SecretKeeper [[HotScientist Lucy Suzuki]], assuaging her brief worry fire on anything that the Autobots had been deceiving her.gets in their way". The episode comes off as something of a TakeThat to how Autobot-Human military relationships tend to go in the Transformers comics.
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** Contrast this with the XBox video game adaptation, which throws this trope entirely out the window, along with a dozen or so honest cops trying to do their jobs. [[http://spoonyexperiment.com/2013/06/10/minority-report-everybody-runs/ Spoony's review]] of it calls it out on how horrifying and ridiculous it is to insist your innocence of one murder while performing a hundred more.
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* Averted in the ''DeathMerchant'' novel, "The Soul Search Project" where the protagonist and his team kill dozens of NYPD officers during a chase without blinking an eye and justify it by saying: [[YouCantMakeAnOmelette "you have to break a few eggs to get an omelet"]]. Of course the titular Death Merchant is a AntiHero who won't think twice about averting NeverHurtAnInnocent if it's the quickest way to accomplish a mission.
** The same author also wrote a series of books called ''C.O.B.R.A.'' in which this trope is inverted regularly as the protagonist, Jon Skul, frequently kills police and innocent bystanders in order to complete his missions, with zero remorse shown (and in fact on one occasion an ally attempts to pull a WhatTheHellHero on Skul, only to be shouted down.
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* In DanAbnett's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} {{Eisenhorn}} novels, Eisenhorn has to kill several fellow Inquisitors, because they were set on his trail by a rogue Inquisitor and if he dies, no one will stop the rogue. He feels it very hard.

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* In DanAbnett's Creator/DanAbnett's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} {{Eisenhorn}} Literature/{{Eisenhorn}} novels, Eisenhorn has to kill several fellow Inquisitors, because they were set on his trail by a rogue Inquisitor and if he dies, no one will stop the rogue. He feels it very hard.
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* Sidestepped in ''Film/GIJoeRetaliation''. The film avoids the issue that loyal secret service and US military, not realizing that the president [[spoiler: has been replaced]], would continue to protect and serve as necessary and not all be Cobra infiltrators. Therefore during the final battle when the Joes are shown ruthlessly killing these men, the film avoids addressing whether this trope is actually being averted in some cases.

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