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* Invoked repeatedly in ''TheScienceOfDiscworld'' books, especially the third book in which the UU wizards and the Auditors of Reality have a mini-Time War over ''TheOriginOfSpecies'' that will decide Roundworld-humanity's fate.
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* In RobertAHeinlein's ''The Number of the Beast'', the protagonists rescue Long's mother by traveling back in time and swapping her body with a brain-dead clone, seconds before it is hit by a truck. It's made even more {{Timey Wimey Ball}}y by the fact that Long gets the idea to do it by going back in time and filming himself doing it.

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* In RobertAHeinlein's ''The Number of the Beast'', ''TheNumberOfTheBeast'', the protagonists rescue Long's mother by traveling back in time and swapping her body with a brain-dead clone, seconds before it is hit by a truck. It's made even more {{Timey Wimey Ball}}y by the fact that Long gets the idea to do it by going back in time and filming himself doing it.
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* In Eoin Colfner's ArtemisFowl: The Time Paradox, the titular paradox comes from the fact that things are happening to Past!Artemis that Present!Artemis doesn't remember. [[spoiler:Turns out No.1 erased his memory and replaced it with what Present!Artemis remembers. Past!Artemis later wakes up thinking "something about fairies," creating a double StableTimeLoop.]]
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* This is the only way to save two of the victims in ''GhostTrick'', as their killer would just kill them a different way if you stopped him or her directly.

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* This is the only way to save two of the victims in ''GhostTrick'', as their killer would just kill them a different way if you stopped him or her directly.
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* Sissel has to do this multiple times in ''GhostTrick'' to trick [[spoiler: Yomiel]] into believing that [[spoiler: Cabanela and the pigeon-headed man have been murdered. Yomiel knows about ghost tricks, so Sissel has to hide both himself and the fact that their corpses are still alive, or else Yomiel will just kill them in a more confirmable way.]]
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* In ''{{Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality}}'', in his experimentations with time travel, Harry actually uses this trope to try and set up time itself as a ''computer program'' to help him find the prime factors of a six-digit number - if it works, he figures he'll be able to learn any piece of information that can be systematically encoded. Unfortunately for him, instead of getting the answer he's looking for, he receives an ominous note from his future self saying simply '''"DO NOT MESS WITH TIME"''', thereby scaring him out of any further experimentation.

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* TheLuciferandBiscuitHammer" While she's uncertain that he's dead in the vision, a [[PsychicPowers psychic]] detective predicts Nagumo's (the horse Knight) possible death and sees him buried head first up to his waist. Anima tells him that "[[SelfFulfillingProphecy knowing a future event will cause it to happen]]" and for 5000 yen tells him a cheat to avoid it by "[[ProphecyTwist triggering it in such a way that makes the event harmless]]". Nagumo decides to ask Hakudou and her sword teacher to bury him for him and take a picture to trigger the event.



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* In TheLuciferandBiscuitHammer While she's uncertain that he's dead in the vision, a Psychic detective predicts Nagumo's (the horse Knight) possible death and sees him buried head first up to his waist. Anima tells him that "knowing a future event will cause it to happen" and for 5000 yen tells him a cheat to avoid it by "triggering it in such a way that makes the event harmless". Nagumo decides to ask Hakudou and her sword teacher to bury him for him and take a picture to trigger the event.

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* In TheLuciferandBiscuitHammer While she's uncertain that he's dead in the vision, a Psychic detective predicts Nagumo's (the horse Knight) possible death and sees him buried head first up to his waist. Anima tells him that "knowing a future event will cause it to happen" and for 5000 yen tells him a cheat to avoid it by "triggering it in such a way that makes the event harmless". Nagumo decides to ask Hakudou and her sword teacher to bury him for him and take a picture to trigger the event.
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* This is the only way to save two of the victims in ''GhostTrick'', as their killer would just kill them a different way if you stopped him or her directly.
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** Vimes actually tries to actively prevent this from occurring since he does not want his comrades to die. However, in the end the people who were originally died still die but in a slightly different place, time and order. In the present events are remembered/forgotten pretty much as they did in the original timeline.
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*''WorldOfWarcraft'' has a series of dungeons called the Caverns of Time, each of which involves a different past event from previous games or lore. In every case adversaries throw history off the rails and it's up to the group to set things right - or at least, close enough. LaserGuidedAmnesia makes certain that the original apparent history remains, whether it happened or not.
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* In TheLuciferandBiscuitHammer While she's uncertain that he's dead in the vision, a Psychic detective predicts Nagumo's (the horse Knight) possible death and sees him buried head first up to his waist. Anima tells him that "knowing a future event will cause it to happen" and for 5000 yen tells him a cheat to avoid it by "triggering it in such a way that makes the event harmless". Nagumo decides to ask Hakudou and her sword teacher to bury him for him and take a picture to trigger the event.
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** Memnon also does this with A2-Z when he needs the computer to calculate a particularly complex Starslip path. He drops A2-Z off in the 20th century, replacing the first, primitive prototype of A2-Z with its own future version, and then instructs it to spend the following centuries secretly working on the problem while hiding its advanced status from everyone until the day Memnon returns to the future.

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** Memnon also does this with A2-Z when he needs the computer to calculate a particularly complex Starslip path. He drops A2-Z off in the 20th century, replacing the first, primitive prototype of A2-Z with its own future version, and then instructs it to spend the following centuries secretly working on the problem while hiding its advanced status from everyone until the day Memnon returns to the future. Subverted -- it ''still'' wasn't enough time to find the answer.
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** Memnon also does this with A2-Z when he needs the computer to calculate a particularly complex Starslip path. He drops A2-Z off in the 20th century, replacing the first, primitive prototype of A2-Z with its own future version, and then instructs it to spend the following centuries secretly working on the problem while hiding its advanced status from everyone until the day Memnon returns to the future.

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* Non-time-travel example: One ''[=~Dexter's Laboratory~=]'' comic book featured Dexter finding a copy of that very comic book. He flips to the end and finds a scene in which the rest of his family mourns his death. He saves himself by getting his family to act out that scene.

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* Non-time-travel example: One ''[=~Dexter's Laboratory~=]'' comic book featured Dexter finding a copy of that very comic book. He flips to the end and finds a scene in which the rest of his family mourns his death. He saves himself by getting his family to act out that scene.



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* {{Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality}}. [[spoiler:DO NOT MESS WITH TIME.]]

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** [[FridgeLogic Wouldn't this be just as likely to "fix" in place the future tampering?]]
*** [[FridgeBrilliance Except that by their established procedure, it's not tampering if they were watching it happen.]]

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** [[FridgeLogic Wouldn't this be just as likely to "fix" in place the future tampering?]]
*** [[FridgeBrilliance Except that by their established procedure, it's not tampering if they were watching it happen.]]



** But there's still knowledge of the bad thing's existence, thus there's still a paradox. Seeing something you change is a cause of a paradox, not a reason for it.
*** Ah, but that's only what she * thinks.* Without seeing it, the possibility of being wrong exists (without complex holographic technology and whatnot anyway).
**** While ThisTroper hasn't seen said comic, it most likely runs along the lines of "Okay, I'm the only witness to this bad event starting to happen, I'm going to look away now so I'm unaware of this section of my timeline and then time travel back to fix it before I know what really happened. This way, i won't be changing my past in the future" Which is not paradoxical, as she leaves before she can confirm whether or not the bad event really happened.



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* Averted in ''{{Futurama}}'' when they return to Roswell 1947. At first they try to fake a StableTimeLoop without interfering, but after [[spoiler: Fry kills his grandfather and impregnates his grandmother the Professor decides to attack the military base in broad daylight with a spaceship, rescue "the alien" Zoidberg, and steal their microwave dish.]] .. Or maybe that's how it was supposed to have happened.
-->''Professor Farnsworth'': "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from [[spoiler: Mr. [[GrandfatherParadox I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]]]]. Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!"

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* Averted in ''{{Futurama}}'' when they return to Roswell 1947. At first they try to fake a StableTimeLoop without interfering, but after [[spoiler: Fry kills his grandfather and impregnates his grandmother the Professor decides to attack the military base in broad daylight with a spaceship, rescue "the alien" Zoidberg, and steal their microwave dish.]] .. Or maybe that's how it was supposed to have happened.
-->''Professor Farnsworth'': "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from [[spoiler: Mr. [[GrandfatherParadox I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]]]]. Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!"
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* A different approach was taken in the German novel ''Das Königsprojekt''. Here, it is possible to change the past - but only if there are no written sources of the event changed, or so few that you can change them on the fly - for example, giving a noble family a lot of diamonds and correcting the only source, the family chronicles, from "the fortunes of family X were greatly ''reduced'' during [the time in question]" to "''augmented''". Killing Martin Luther (because the only existing time machine, built by LeonardoDaVinci, is in the hands of the Catholic church) is right out and has to go awry, as they found out when they tried one time. (The time traveler and the machine returned with a bang to the present, resulting in the story of Martin Luther throwing an inkpot at what he believed was the devil.) FridgeLogic: What happens if there are no sources in the time traveller's present, but many at the point in time he's going to?
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* In ''{{Homestuck}}'', Appearifiers can snatch people and items from other points in time, but only if they've played out their part and have nothing important to do, which would cause a paradox. If that would be the case (for instance, Rose attempts to Appearify Jasper before he can tell his terrible secret) the machine instead generates an ectoplasmic ghost image... which can be used to extract genetic material to create a clone of the original. But the clone is almost always mutated and damaged in one way or another... and when it's actually a perfect copy, that means it's destined to be sent back in time and turn out to be the original in a complex StableTimeLoop. Confused yet?

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* In ''{{Homestuck}}'', [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in ''{{Homestuck}}''. Appearifiers can snatch people and items from other points in time, but only if they've played out their part and have nothing important to do, which would cause a paradox. If that would be the case (for instance, Rose attempts to Appearify Jasper before he can tell his terrible secret) the machine instead generates an ectoplasmic ghost image... which can be used to extract genetic material to create a clone of the original. But the clone is almost always mutated and damaged in one way or another... and when it's actually a perfect copy, that means it's destined to be sent back in time and turn out to be the original in a complex StableTimeLoop. Confused yet?
** The nature of time in Paradox Space will not allow any alteration to the Alpha Timeline; any significant change will create an offshoot timeline [[TimeCrash doomed for deletion]]. At best, someone from a doomed timeline can send something back to the alpha timeline insure that the alpha timeline happens. [[TrickedOutTime Tricking out time]] is the only way to succeed in any TimeTravel shenanigans.
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** This is of course based on the story "Air Raid", by John Varley.

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** This is of course based on the story "Air Raid", by John Varley.JohnVarley. Varley also wrote the film's script (six different times, by his own account).
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-->''Professor Farnsworth'': "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. [[GrandfatherParadox I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]]. Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!"

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-->''Professor Farnsworth'': "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from [[spoiler: Mr. [[GrandfatherParadox I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]].I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]]]]. Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!"
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-->''Professor Farnsworth'': "Oh, a lesson in not changing history from Mr. [[GrandfatherParadox I'm-My-Own-Grandfather]]. Let's get the hell out of here already! Screw history!"
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*** [[FridgeBrilliance Except that by their established procedure, it's not tampering if they were watching it happen.]]
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* In ''{{Homestuck}}'', Appearifiers can snatch people and items from other points in time, but only if they've played out their part and have nothing important to do, which would cause a paradox. If that would be the case (for instance, Rose attempts to Appearify Jasper before he can tell his terrible secret) the machine instead generates an ectoplasmic ghost image... which can be used to extract genetic material to create a clone of the original. But the clone is almost always mutated and damaged in one way or another... and when it's actually a perfect copy, that means it's destined to be sent back in time and turn out to be the original in a complex StableTimeLoop. Confused yet?
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* In ''{{Freejack}}'', future people preform kidnappings from the past so their wealthy clients can extend their lives through GrandTheftMe. They capture their target right before he or she would have died, and explicitly choose only targets who would have died in ways that leaves few or no clues behind, such as massive fires or explosive car accidents.
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* Used once in ''PerryRhodan'' to retroactively save a species that had been wiped out in an early arc of the series. With the aid of a species of ghostlike ''natural'' time travelers, they were snatched from their moments of impending doom and brought forward to the then-present day instead; since either way they no longer existed in the past to affect it, history proceeded unchanged and paradox was averted. [[hottip:(*):This was a one-time event; the 'timewalkers' by and large had an aversion to the 'border time' because, apparently, going past it further into the future even by accident would cause them to cease to exist. What exactly -- other than the ''readers''' perspective, of course -- made specifically the series' current modern day so critically distinct from any other arbitrary potential 'present' on the timeline was never really addressed.]]
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* In the {{Discworld}} book ''Discworld/NightWatch'', Sam Vimes takes on the role of the cop who trained him after the criminal who comes back with him kills him. Notably, the [[TimePolice History Monk]] who explains things to him says that, no, he did ''not'' teach himself everything he knew; he's basically holding the original's place in the timeline so that history will snap back into the proper position when everything's done.

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* In the {{Discworld}} book ''Discworld/NightWatch'', Sam Vimes takes on the role of the cop who trained him after the criminal who comes back with him kills him. Notably, the [[TimePolice History Monk]] who explains things to him says that, no, because of 'quantum', he did and did ''not'' teach himself everything he knew; he's basically holding the original's place split time into two different timelines, one original and one in the timeline which Vimes replaced his mentor so that history will snap back into the proper position when everything's done.
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* The whole plot line of the 2007 Spanish film ''[[LosCronocrimenes Time Crimes (Los Cronocrímenes)]]''.

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* The whole plot line of the 2007 Spanish film ''[[LosCronocrimenes Time Crimes (Los Cronocrímenes)]]''.Cronocrímenes)]]''.



* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in the crossover between ''{{Kamen Rider Den-O}}'' and ''KamenRiderDecade''. Instead of tricking out time, the heroes trick out the time ''travellers'', [[ZanyScheme putting on an elaborate show]] [[FauxtasticVoyage to fake the operation]] [[FakeRipVanWinkle of the time machine]] to prevent the bad guys from stealing it. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome it]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny is]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaD9hLf-lY&feature=related AWESOME.]]

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in the crossover between ''{{Kamen Rider Den-O}}'' and ''KamenRiderDecade''. Instead of tricking out time, the heroes trick out the time ''travellers'', [[ZanyScheme putting on an elaborate show]] [[FauxtasticVoyage to fake the operation]] [[FakeRipVanWinkle [[FakedRipVanWinkle of the time machine]] to prevent the bad guys from stealing it. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome it]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny is]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaD9hLf-lY&feature=related AWESOME.]]
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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in the crossover between KamenRiderDenO and KamenRiderDecade. Instead of tricking out time, the heroes trick out the time ''travellers'', [[ZanyScheme putting on an elaborate show]] [[FauxtasticVoyage to fake the operation]] [[FakeRipVanWinkle of the time machine]] to prevent the bad guys from stealing it. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome it]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny is]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaD9hLf-lY&feature=related AWESOME.]]

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in the crossover between KamenRiderDenO ''{{Kamen Rider Den-O}}'' and KamenRiderDecade.''KamenRiderDecade''. Instead of tricking out time, the heroes trick out the time ''travellers'', [[ZanyScheme putting on an elaborate show]] [[FauxtasticVoyage to fake the operation]] [[FakeRipVanWinkle of the time machine]] to prevent the bad guys from stealing it. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome it]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny is]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaD9hLf-lY&feature=related AWESOME.]]



* DragonQuest V has the main character sent to the past in order to retrieve a mystical orb he owned when he was younger until it was destroyed. This particular act can actually be either this or YouAlreadyChangedThePast depending on whether or not you approach the grown version of yourself while still a child in the beginning.

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* DragonQuest V ''DragonQuestV'' has the main character sent to the past in order to retrieve a mystical orb he owned when he was younger until it was destroyed. This particular act can actually be either this or YouAlreadyChangedThePast depending on whether or not you approach the grown version of yourself while still a child in the beginning.
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* ''{{Ever 17}}''. All attempts to save all of the protagonists results in the TemporalParadox. So... [[spoiler:the Entity Blick Winkel manipulates them into [[HumanPopsicle Cyrogenic Suspension]], and Cyborg and Robot Bodies in order to have their "deaths" not be permanent.]]

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* ''{{Ever 17}}''. All attempts to save all of the protagonists results in the TemporalParadox. So... [[spoiler:the Entity entity Blick Winkel manipulates them into [[HumanPopsicle Cyrogenic Suspension]], cryogenic suspension]] and Cyborg and Robot Bodies [[BrainUploading cyborg body]] in order to have their "deaths" not be permanent.]]
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This also works for prophetic visions: eg. a character who sees himself falling off a cliff to his death in a crystal ball may decide to stage the same scenario under conditions where their safety is ensured.

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** This was done again in ''{{Back to the Future}} Part II'', when Doc and Marty go back in time to stop "young" Biff from getting the GraysSportsAlmanac. Doc warns Marty not to interfere with Biff receiving the almanac from his older self, because they had to make "old" Biff believe that his plan worked so he'll return the time machine (which he stole from Doc and Marty earlier) back to the future where they left it.

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** It's arguable that the plot of the entire film is a semi-successful attempt to do this, since Mr Baines still doesn't hit George with the car, but the timing of major events in George and Lorraine's relationship post-dance is otherwise the same (they live in the same house, have the same number of children at the same time and so on).
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This was done again in ''{{Back to the Future}} Part II'', when Doc and Marty go back in time to stop "young" Biff from getting the GraysSportsAlmanac. Doc warns Marty not to interfere with Biff receiving the almanac from his older self, because they had to make "old" Biff believe that his plan worked so he'll return the time machine (which he stole from Doc and Marty earlier) back to the future where they left it.it.
** And Marty suggests in ''{{Back to the Future}} Part III'' that they bring Clara Clayton back to the future with them - which would remove her from 1885, where she's supposed to be have died by falling into "Clayton Ravine". Doc rejects this as a step too far - but the filmmakers have suggested that if [[spoiler: Doc had appeared to go over the edge of the ravine when the train crashed]] Clara may have killed herself by jumping into the ravine, removing herself from the timeline and causing it to be named after her after all.

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