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-->'''Jack:''' Do a bit for you. Before I have a bathe.
-->'''Ralph:''' Don't bother.
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-->''Ralph found himself alone on a limb with Jack and they grinned at each other, sharing this burden. [...] "Almost too heavy." Jack grinned back. "Not for the two of us."''



-->'''Jack:''' Let's be moving. We're wasting time.
-->'''Ralph:''' No we're not. What about the littluns?
-->'''Jack:''' Sucks to the littluns!
-->'''Ralph:''' Someone's got to look after them.
-->'''Jack:''' Nobody has so far.
-->'''Ralph:''' There was no need! Now there is. Piggy'll look after them.
-->'''Jack:''' That's right. Keep Piggy out of danger.
-->'''Ralph:''' Have some sense. What can Piggy do with only one eye?
-->''The rest of the boys were looking from Jack to Ralph, curiously.''
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** Hell, even analyses from various books mention this dynamic between the three: ''Meet Jack.[...]he loves shedding blood. Ralph he rather likes, and the liking is mutual. Piggy he despises and insults.''

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** * Hell, even analyses from various books mention this dynamic between the three: ''Meet Jack.[...]he loves shedding blood. Ralph he rather likes, and the liking is mutual. Piggy he despises and insults.''
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* The fact that Ralph is shocked at the news Jack might hate him and, when Piggy explains him the reason is because Jack is not chief, Ralph's exclamation of Jack's name suggests that Ralph has very deep admiration for Jack to the point where he shows that he believes being Jack is above being chief and that Jack should have no reason to hate him for that. Or, alternately, that he believes it to be impossible for Jack to hate him, due to their close friendship. In either case, it implies a deep devotion on Ralph's side for Jack.
-->'''Piggy:''' I tell you what. He hates you too, Ralph
-->'''Ralph:''' Me? Why me?
-->'''Piggy:''' I dunno. You got him over the fire; an' you're chief an' he isn't.
-->'''Ralph:''' But he's, he's, Jack Merridew!
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Since Literature/LordOfTheFlies focuses on a group of boys stranded on an island, there's bound to be some HoYay to go around. Albeit, most of it seems to be focused on [[FoeYay two specific boys...]]

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Since Literature/LordOfTheFlies focuses on a group of boys stranded on an island, there's bound to be some HoYay to go around. Albeit, most of it seems to be focused on [[FoeYay two specific boys...boys.]]



* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they become enemies later, the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...[[FoeYay intense.]]

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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they become enemies later, the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...more [[FoeYay intense.]]

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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they become enemies later, the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...[[FoeYay harsher.]]

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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they become enemies later, the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...[[FoeYay harsher.intense.]]



* A minor joke has come to be amongst the fandom that Roger is a Jack/Ralph shipper. The reason for this is due to something that's barely even noticeable: In the book, when the three of them go anywhere, Roger always drops behind and gives the other two space so they can be alone.
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** A lot of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner is going to cheat on him.

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** A lot of their dialogue is [[LikeAnOldMarriedCouple almost identical to lovers' quarrels. quarrels.]] Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner is going to cheat on him.
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Since Literature/LordOfTheFlies focuses on a group of a boys stranded on an island, there's bound to be some HoYay to go around. Albeit, most of it seems to be focused on [[FoeYay two specific boys...]]

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Since Literature/LordOfTheFlies focuses on a group of a boys stranded on an island, there's bound to be some HoYay to go around. Albeit, most of it seems to be focused on [[FoeYay two specific boys...]]
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** The '63 movie doesn't include this scene, but it doesn't include a similar one where Jack is punishing a boy from his tribe by [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence spanking him with a stick.]]

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** The '63 movie doesn't include this scene, but it doesn't does include a similar one where Jack is punishing a boy from his tribe by [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence spanking him with a stick.]]

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* Then there is the hunting scene where a choir boy named Robert pretends to be the pig while the other boys pretend to hunt him. Jack barely lets anyone approach as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair, and spanks him,'' [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding us of something else entirely]]. It ends with Jack rolling off of him and saying, "That was a good game," while Robert retorts with, "Oh, my bum."

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** After Jack and Roger leave Ralph's group in the '63 movie, there's a scene where they are hunting together. The two grin and look into each other's eyes for a very long time before Roger affectionately flicks Jack's shoulder and they leave.
** Also in the '63 movie: Roger is the one who declares, "Right up the ass!" after he kills a pig by shoving a stick up its backside, unlike in the book, where it's somebody else. HoYay is involved because in the movie Roger says this after a scene change with his hand on Jack's shoulder, making us think for a moment that he's talking about [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything something else...]]
* Then there is the hunting scene where a choir boy named Robert pretends to be the pig while the other boys pretend to hunt him. Jack barely lets anyone approach as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair, and spanks him,'' [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene scene]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything reminding us of something else entirely]]. It ends with Jack rolling off of him and saying, "That was a good game," while Robert retorts with, "Oh, my bum.""
** The '63 movie doesn't include this scene, but it doesn't include a similar one where Jack is punishing a boy from his tribe by [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence spanking him with a stick.]]
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** When Jack decides he's not going to follow Ralph anymore, Roger is the first person to leave with him and follows him immediately the moment he makes the decision.
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* Although we recognize that this is a little ridiculous, if you [[InsaneTrollLogic overthink and reinterpret everything,]] Jack eventually kind of becomes a {{Yandere}} for Ralph. Earlier on he's already possessive of Ralph and hates when he pays attention to the other boys. He's clearly [[CrazyJealousGuy furiously jealous]] whenever this happens: he insults Simon (who greatly admires Ralph) behind his back and is absolutely ''ferocious'' towards Piggy (who likes Ralph and sticks by his side at all times). After establishing that he likes Ralph and despises Piggy, Jack becomes obsessed with [[RuleOfSymbolism hunting pigs.]] Jack grows to hate Ralph because he is more logical and gets in the way of Jack's violent fixation with power, but even as his insanity grows, it's evident he will let Ralph live if he joins his tribe. In other words, [[{{Yandere}} Ralph can either]] [[HomoeroticSubtext submit to him]] [[IfICantHaveYou or DIE.]]

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* Although we recognize that this is a little ridiculous, if you [[InsaneTrollLogic overthink and reinterpret everything,]] Jack is kind of a CrazyJealousGuy (and eventually kind of becomes a {{Yandere}} {{Yandere}}) for Ralph. Earlier on he's already possessive of Ralph and hates when he pays attention to the other boys. He's clearly [[CrazyJealousGuy furiously jealous]] whenever this happens: he insults Simon (who greatly admires Ralph) behind his back and is absolutely ''ferocious'' towards Piggy (who likes Ralph and sticks by his side at all times). After establishing that he likes Ralph and despises Piggy, Jack becomes obsessed with [[RuleOfSymbolism hunting pigs.]] Jack grows to hate Ralph because he is more logical and gets in the way of Jack's violent fixation with power, but even as his insanity grows, it's evident he will let Ralph live if he joins his tribe. In other words, [[{{Yandere}} Ralph can either]] [[HomoeroticSubtext submit to him]] [[IfICantHaveYou or DIE.]]
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* Although we recognize that this is a little ridiculous, if you [[InsaneTrollLogic overthink and reinterpret everything,]] Jack eventually kind of becomes a {{Yandere}} for Ralph. Earlier on he's already possessive of Ralph and hates when he pays attention to the other boys. He's clearly [[CrazyJealousGuy furiously jealous]] whenever this happens: he insults Simon (who greatly admires Ralph) behind his back and is absolutely ''ferocious'' towards Piggy (who likes Ralph and sticks by his side at all times). After establishing that he likes Ralph and despises Piggy, Jack becomes obsessed with [[RuleOfSymbolism hunting pigs.]] Jack grows to hate Ralph because he is more logical and gets in the way of Jack's violent fixation with power, but even as his insanity grows, it's evident he will let Ralph live if he joins his tribe. In other words, [[{{Yandere}} Ralph can either]] [[HomoeroticSubtext submit to him]] [[IfICantHaveYou or DIE.]]
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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they [[FoeYay become enemies later,]] the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...[[FoeYay harsher.]]

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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they [[FoeYay become enemies later,]] later, the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...[[FoeYay harsher.]]
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* A minor joke has come to be amongst the fandom that Roger is a Jack/Ralph shipper. The reason for this is because, although it doesn't exactly stand out, whenever the three of them go somewhere, Roger drops behind and gives the two space.

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* A minor joke has come to be amongst the fandom that Roger is a Jack/Ralph shipper. The reason for this is because, although it doesn't exactly stand out, whenever due to something that's barely even noticeable: In the book, when the three of them go somewhere, anywhere, Roger always drops behind and gives the other two space.space so they can be alone.
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--->'''Peter Brook:''' I remember that, in the longer version, as in the book, Jack and Ralph had an almost husband and wife relationship, I mean, they were great friends--I don't mean that in a sexual sense--they were great friends, great comrades, they shared concerns, and in the film most of that is missing. Those ten minutes or so that were removed, I think it diminished that aspect of their relationship almost to the point of disappearing. I don't think it weakens the story, I think it changes the story, somewhat, and I think that it leaves room for the audience to imply what they will about the relationship between Jack and Ralph, rather than giving the specific intention of the original story.

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--->'''Peter -->'''Peter Brook:''' I remember that, in the longer version, as in the book, Jack and Ralph had an almost husband and wife relationship, I mean, they were great friends--I don't mean that in a sexual sense--they were great friends, great comrades, they shared concerns, and in the film most of that is missing. Those ten minutes or so that were removed, I think it diminished that aspect of their relationship almost to the point of disappearing. I don't think it weakens the story, I think it changes the story, somewhat, and I think that it leaves room for the audience to imply what they will about the relationship between Jack and Ralph, rather than giving the specific intention of the original story.
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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they [[FoeYay become enemies later,]] the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...harsher.

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* Jack and Ralph undoubtedly have the most HoYay compared to anyone else, considering their relationship is arguably the most important one in the book. Even though they [[FoeYay become enemies later,]] the HoYay never disappears. It just gets much...harsher. [[FoeYay harsher.]]
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* There's also some HoYay in Jack and Roger's relationship. Kind of inevitable, as they're the two worst boys on the island and Roger is Jack's right-hand man.

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* There's also some HoYay in Jack and Roger's relationship. Kind of inevitable, as they're the two worst most savage boys on the island and Roger is Jack's right-hand man.
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* Then there is the hunting scene where a choir boy named Robert pretends to be the pig while the other boys pretend to hunt him. Jack barely lets anyone approach as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair, and spanks him, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]]''. It ends with Jack rolling off of him and saying, "That was a good game," while Robert retorts with, "Oh, my bum."

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* Then there is the hunting scene where a choir boy named Robert pretends to be the pig while the other boys pretend to hunt him. Jack barely lets anyone approach as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair, and spanks him, him,'' [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding us of something else entirely]]''.entirely]]. It ends with Jack rolling off of him and saying, "That was a good game," while Robert retorts with, "Oh, my bum."
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** At the beginning of the book, Ralph, Jack, and Simon go out alone to look around the island. While they're having a good time and laughing, Simon apparently "strokes Ralph's arm shyly."
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** Hell, even analyses from various books mention it: ''Meet Jack.[...]he loves shedding blood. Ralph he rather likes, and the liking is mutual. Piggy he despises and insults.''

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** Hell, even analyses from various books mention it: this dynamic between the three: ''Meet Jack.[...]he loves shedding blood. Ralph he rather likes, and the liking is mutual. Piggy he despises and insults.''
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* It's become something of a joke amongst the fandom to say that Roger is a Jack/Ralph shipper because in the book, whenever he goes anywhere with them, he always drops behind them and gives them space.

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* It's become something of a A minor joke has come to be amongst the fandom to say that Roger is a Jack/Ralph shipper because in the book, shipper. The reason for this is because, although it doesn't exactly stand out, whenever he goes anywhere with them, he always the three of them go somewhere, Roger drops behind them and gives them the two space.
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** After Jack and his hunters separate from Ralph's group, Roger appreciates [[InLoveWithYourCarnage Jack's violent and dangerous ways,]] specifically in the form of admiring the [[ChekhovsGun boulder trap]] Jack set up.
-->'''Roger:''' He's [Jack's] a proper chief, isn't he?

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** After Jack and his hunters separate from Ralph's group, Roger appreciates [[InLoveWithYourCarnage Jack's violent and dangerous ways,]] specifically in the form of admiring the [[ChekhovsGun boulder trap]] Jack set up. \n He also indirectly claims Jack to be a better leader than Ralph while doing this:
-->'''Roger:''' He's [Jack's] a proper chief, isn't he?
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** Many couldn't help but notice how they act like a couple during the first part of the book; Ralph always has expectations from Jack and is particularly upset with the latter when he doesn't respect his wish of keeping the fire lit, despite that it isn't only Jack's fault, but other kids' too.
** A lot of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner is going to cheat on him.

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* Many couldn't help but notice how they act like a couple during the first part of the book; Ralph always has expectations from Jack and is particularly upset with the latter when he doesn't respect his wish of keeping the fire lit, despite that it isn't only Jack's fault, but other kids' too.
** A lot of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner is going to cheat on him.



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* There's also some HoYay in Jack and Roger's relationship. Kind of inevitable, as they're the two worst boys on the island and Roger is Jack's right-hand man.
** Although he apparently doesn't want to, there's a point earlier on in the book where Roger is unable to stop himself from smiling at Jack. It's the only time Roger is ever noted to smile.
** After Jack and his hunters separate from Ralph's group, Roger appreciates [[InLoveWithYourCarnage Jack's violent and dangerous ways,]] specifically in the form of admiring the [[ChekhovsGun boulder trap]] Jack set up.
-->'''Roger:''' He's [Jack's] a proper chief, isn't he?
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** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LotF wanted to "do" Simon in the way the language may suggest).

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** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I we seriously doubt that the LotF Lord of the Flies wanted to "do" Simon in the way the language may suggest).
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* Simon and Ralph. But then again, with a book about a bunch of boys stranded on island for a period of time, HoYay is inevitable

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* There's some HoYay involving Simon and Ralph. But then again, with a book about a bunch of boys stranded on island for a period of time, HoYay is inevitable

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