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*** It's notable that the Lucky Seven sword isn't actually particularly special it's made of origin metal but it's not inherently powerful it gains it's power based off the will of its wielder meaning before the blade found its way into Noah's hand it wasn't noteworthy just like all the other random pieces of origin metal you find in the world
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*** The above is subverted now that we know the souls of people from the previous worlds actually incarnated into the Origin metal as they saw that form as their way to change the world. Lucky Seven is in fact Fiora, and various Origin metal that you find across the world are other characters, though even the developers have not decided on who specifically are in each piece.
*** The above is subverted now that we know the souls of people from the previous worlds actually incarnated into the Origin metal as they saw that form as their way to change the world. Lucky Seven is in fact Fiora, and various Origin metal that you find across the world are other characters, though even the developers have not decided on who specifically are in each piece.
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*** ''Future Redeemed'' and the ''Aionios Moments'' artbook have since made it clear that any instances of Riku (and quite likely Manana) indicating they don't know about the truth of the world, reproduction, etc. is simply them lying. Nopon all exist outside the cycle, and are ageless in Aionios.
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** Why specifically this is has yet to be explained to my knowledge, but the ''Aionios Moments'' artbook has confirmed that the Nopon are indeed all exempt from the cycle, and are ageless when incarnated within Aionios.
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** The very opening cutscene references this, with a Kevesi officer calling out the bombardier for being ''too'' good of a shot.
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** Also, the flame clocks have a blanket weirdness censor on everyone that’s under it. Old friends being reborn is probably one of the things that it prevents people from noticing. Alternatively, they can notice, but no one lives long enough to notice or make practical use of the information.
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** Also, the flame clocks have a blanket weirdness censor on everyone that’s that's under it. Old friends being reborn is probably one of the things that it prevents people from noticing. Alternatively, they can notice, but no one lives long enough to notice or make practical use of the information.
** The simplest way for the reincarnation to work is for everyone to be on a running ten year timer; they are always reborn on day X of the ten year cycle, and it doesn't matter if that was nine years after they died or nine days. This would explain why Mio is always older than Noah, and why Noah, Eunie, Lanz, and Joran still match up their ages at the end. Everyone is always the same age relative to each other. In which case the only explanation for Garvel and co is that they were reincarnated early. Remember they were in a colony with a weird Flame Clock, and Moebius Y is the one who does the experiments. Maybe they were part of the experiment.
** The simplest way for the reincarnation to work is for everyone to be on a running ten year timer; they are always reborn on day X of the ten year cycle, and it doesn't matter if that was nine years after they died or nine days. This would explain why Mio is always older than Noah, and why Noah, Eunie, Lanz, and Joran still match up their ages at the end. Everyone is always the same age relative to each other. In which case the only explanation for Garvel and co is that they were reincarnated early. Remember they were in a colony with a weird Flame Clock, and Moebius Y is the one who does the experiments. Maybe they were part of the experiment.
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* As we find out in Chapter 6, M and Mio ended up pulling off a FreakyFridayFlip and Consul M ended up being the one who ended up dying at the end of Chapter 5. But, what if that never happened and Mio actually died? After Noah gets beheaded, would he never become a separate existence from Consul N (his original self who became a Moebius) due to his despair, even if he never reached the 10th year? Also, since in this scenario, since Mio in M's body would never have been able to warn Ghondor and Monica about Shania selling out The City's location to Moebius, and thus The City getting hit with the Ahnilator Cannon, would there be no one left to stand up against Moebius, since the Ouroboros stuff was from The Lost Numbers?
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** It ''did'' effect him. We see the same "out of body" effect on him as on the main party. He just didn't have a partner to fuse with and/or died before anything could develop from the power he might have gained. That said, only six at a time can actually be Ouroboros, so lacking a partner may have made its effect on him a dud, so to speak.
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* Why did the light from the Ouroboros stone only affect the main cast when activated and not Guernica, who was the closest to it?
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** In ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'', the Nopon were the only species actually native to Mira. Since ''Future Redeemed'' namedropped the ''White Whale'', that might still be involved somehow. Mira has [[EldritchLocation tons of weird properties]], so who knows how that would affect everything.
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** While we can't answer a lot of this, it is indicated Nopon weren't present in the original world. Klaus states the life the Titans birthed came to take the shapes of what once lived in his world, but the tree of life we see does not include any origin for Nopon. Related, in the first game Melia notes that Nopon are not native to the Wildwood but came from elsewhere, though it is never said from where.
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** ''Future Redeemed'' reveals that the current Ouroboros Stone, which creates powerful Ouroboro forms but limits the number of users to six, was first developed a thousand years ago by Founder Ortiz and Riku. Presumably, given his much longer lifespan compared to humans, Riku carried on refining the Ouroboros Stone until it reached a satisfactory stage of power and he was then able to leave it in other people's hands.
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** ''Future Redeemed'' directly addresses this with Riku not only being [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld older than Aionios itself]] and involved with events since the beginning, but if you take the time to speak with Riku back in his workshop after the event which shows he has the Sword of the End in his possession, he refers to Melia (or [[AffectionateNickname 'Melly']] as his masterpon and that his dadapon was one of her travelling companions which is how he knows her and presumably has the right to use that nickname.
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* Unlike humans, Nopon are not made to fight in a ForeverWar and retain their full lifespan instead of a measly ten years and Nopon have a tendency to live long anyway, even disregarding special cases like Riku who has lived for multiple centuries. They are not referred to as ever being part of the Cycle and there is no Nopon Moebius and probably never has been. All that is asked is that they maintain a sort of neutrality and do not interfere with the workings of the world, something that Riku is called out for at one point during Eunie's Hero Quest. The question is why are Nopon exempt from all this? Is there some sort of trait that Nopon possess that protects them from this kind of thing compared to humans? Why are they so mysterious? And were they ever a part of the original world before the experiment that caused the split?
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** N also explains that the lives of the City people now serve as fuel for Alpha in some way, and that killing them off would weaken him.
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** The City's people are enemies of Moebius, that alone may have been reason enough for Z, a bonus benefit to dealing with Alpha. Notably the base game hints that Z claiming life from the people of the City was needed was a lie all along, given in another scene Moebius Y remarks that they cannot harvest life from City people in the first place.
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* The main game had Z sic Noah, who became Moebius N, onto the first City in exchange for bringing Mio to life as Moebius with the reason being the Citizens' lives are needed for fuel. However, ''Future Redeemed'' revealed what had exactly transpired when N attacked the first City, in which his great-granddaughter Na'el became Alpha's host and his son, Ghondor, interfered and sacrificed his life to save her, in which case, the first City was devastated anyway. It appears that motives have changed or became muddled, but what would best explain Z's motives in wiping out the first City? The way Z initially worded, it was for N to have M on his side, but then things seemed to have changed with Alpha planning to wipe out Aionios with Na'el and the Citizens on tow.
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** The intention with Origin was that when the universes collided it would recreate the two worlds as they were, leaving no impact. We see that this happened in the ending, leaving no trace of the univere collision. Noah disappearing into thin air probably caused some kind of ruckus, but there's no way Melia could've forseen that.
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** Its possible they wanted to know where human babies come from, as they didn't perceive children as being younger humans. For that matter has the series ever actually called baby nopon babies? Or shown baby nopon at all? It may well be that something about their reproduction is different from humans.
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** Xenoblade 3 really brings home the headscratcher of how we never find out how nopon are born. Typical reproduction? Eggs? ''Mitosis??'' ''Do they leave polyps in the wild for another nopon to come along and fertilise, forming a bud that multiple baby nopon emerge from like jellyfish???''
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** Xenoblade 3 really brings home the headscratcher of how we never find out how nopon Nopon are born. Typical reproduction? Eggs? ''Mitosis??'' ''Do they leave polyps in the wild for another nopon Nopon to come along and fertilise, forming a bud that multiple baby nopon Nopon emerge from like jellyfish???''
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** It's probably more accurate to say that Riku and Manana were curious about how human babies are formed since up to this point, they have never seen one, and have just known humans as coming from cradles like bee workers to a single Queen or something similar. (And also they were likely just caught up in the moment of adorable cuteness.) As for the Nopon reproduction thing, Nopon call their children "littlepon" and while we don't see anything like babies as such, we do see Nopon younger than ten working at Colonies; maybe they just mature more quickly? Also, the City Nopon might have a better understanding of how human reproduction works and whether it's similar to their own since they see babies and children all the time but it's hardly a topic that's going to come up much for polite discussion because of its very nature. They do seem to have partnerships in the same manner as humans (in the form of "hubbypon" and "wifeypon" respectively) as well as pretty much the same familial relationships including generational ones as shown in previous games so children are almost certainly conceived in a similar manner (and looking Tora and his family in XC2, apparently the same horny drive). Whether it results in live young or an egg or something is currently a mystery though.
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** Spoilers if you haven't seen the start of chapter 6, but we see in N and M's flashbacks that the ceremony is not needed, they do indeed "drop dead" (or rather dissolve into motes) automatically upon reaching ten years. Monica also notes much earlier that being disconnected from a Flame Clock does not change the fact that the people of Agnes and Keves have short life spans. Presumably the only difference between a automatic ten year expiration and the Homecoming ceremony is that the ceremony is needed to remove them from the rebirth cycle, and otherwise they return to it. As for why the Consuls used to manually execute people, perhaps they got more energy out of it than if the person just dissolved.
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** With few exceptions the Moebius do not work well together and are exceedingly individualistic. Most are more concerned with indulging their hedonism than anything else (even when it ends up costing their life), and only take orders from Z or N. Z also seems to consider the various losses the work of fate,, fate, and simply accepts them (as he tells X). On the other hand, even for much of the boss battle with him he is unconcerned with it, losing not being seen by him as possible (after all, he's beaten Ouroboros several times in the past). One might say Moebius are too detached from the real world and mentally unhinged to treat threats with the seriousness they deserve.
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