Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / WonderWoman2017

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Still, one would think that British intelligence should be somewhat familiar with both versions of said language.

Changed: 911

Removed: 1030

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I doubt whoever wrote this has ever had to use a WWI-era parachute before.


*** Strap it to your back, jump out of the plane, then pull the ripcord, it's that simple.



*** So then level out, fly north, then get the parachute.
** Do you think he had time to think of that?!? I doubt he had to calm down to think that "Hey, maybe I should grab that parachute!" He is more focused in saving London from being gassed. Do you think he had time to think about what to do to survive? I think at this point he would care more about saving lives than his own. This was a high pressure situation and just because you know what to do doesn't mean everyone knows what to do if they are in a high pressure situation. Also like the first comment said, he probably has no clue how to properly use a parachute and without training, you are going to hurt yourself pretty badly. There is more than just opening the parachute, you have to figure out how to maneuver it in a way to find a spot to land and how to land properly without breaking your legs. Also parachutes were not very reliable back then so there is still a good chance Steve would had died or getting seriously injured.

to:

*** So then level out, fly north, then get the parachute.
** Do you think he had time to think of that?!? that? I doubt he had to calm down to think that "Hey, maybe I should grab that parachute!" He is more focused in saving London from being gassed. Do you think he had time to think about what to do to survive? I think at this point he would care more about saving lives than his own. This was a high pressure situation and just because you know what to do doesn't mean everyone knows what to do if they are in a high pressure situation. Also like the first comment said, he probably has no clue how to properly use a parachute and without training, you are going to hurt yourself pretty badly. There is more than just opening the parachute, you have to figure out how to maneuver it in a way to find a spot to land and how to land properly without breaking your legs. Also parachutes were not very reliable back then so there is still a good chance Steve would had died or getting seriously injured.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Possibly looking somewhat older (albeit still very fit) was an indication of superior military rank, reflecting how human military forces' officers are usually older than enlisted troops? Even among the gods, elders of Zeus's generation held authority over the second-generation deities. The rare young-looking Amazon officer might be one who repeatedly proved herself in battle, so was elevated in rank for her heroism, while any older-looking grunt soldier got demoted for some past screw-up.

to:

** Possibly looking somewhat older (albeit still very fit) was an indication of superior military rank, reflecting how human military forces' officers are usually older than enlisted troops? troops. Even among the gods, elders of Zeus's generation held authority over the second-generation deities.second- and later-generation deities, so the idea that "older = more status" could pre-date the creation of both humans and Amazons. The rare young-looking Amazon officer might be one who repeatedly proved herself in battle, so was elevated in rank for her heroism, while any older-looking grunt soldier got demoted for some past screw-up.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Possibly looking somewhat older (albeit still very fit) was an indication of superior military rank, reflecting how human military forces' officers are usually older than enlisted troops? Even among the gods, elders of Zeus's generation held authority over the second-generation deities. The rare young-looking Amazon officer might be one who repeatedly proved herself in battle, so was elevated in rank for her heroism, while any older-looking grunt soldier got demoted for some past screw-up.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** As I recall, before she says anything to him, he looks up at her and says "Wow..." Unless that has a meaning in some other language that was also befitting the situation he was in, it's not unreasonable for her to assume he spoke English based on him saying it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
About Sir Patrick's "disappearance".

Added DiffLines:

** Although, who in England knew Sir Patrick was going behind German lines? Steve's allies might have briefly spotted and recognized him, but it's likely they would not talk about everything they saw for fear of not being believed - especially the part about him being Ares. His disappearance may well have been a sensational mystery like Judge Crater.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added a new question at the end.

Added DiffLines:


[[folder: Diana speaks English to Steve first]]
* Before Steve has said a word, Diana asks him in English if he's a man. How did she know which language to use?
[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** This was already discussed in the "Traveling from Themyscira" folder. We've no reason to assume that the one night we were shown was all the time it took for them to get from Themyscira to London, especially since Steve was out of contact long enough for everyone to think he was dead. As for how London wasn't gassed by the time they made it there, that's because the Germans weren't able to perfect the gas without the notebook that Steve took, at least until Dr. Poison had her EurekaMoment.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[folder: From Themyscira to London]]
* As Film Theory points out in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlnLDOUVbtA this video]], how did they reach London in what is probably a single night on a ''sailboat''? Judging by the crash site, the island is off the Aegean Sea. London would have been a gassed city by the time they reached there, even with the tugboat assisting them when they reached the English Channel.
[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Ares wanted to show Diana she had a choice between fighting him and losing or joining him, and he doesn't want her ''dead'', at least not at first. He also prides himself on his honesty. During their battle, he treats her as his kid sister, which she is technically, and does a NoSell on all of her attacks. Ares also told Diana that her mother lied to her for all her life, that she doesn't have a destiny but instead a chance at freedom and remaking the world.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It's a bit of canon that no-one else has really followed up on, but Creator/JohnByrne established during his run on the ''Wonder Woman'' comic that Themyscira functions a bit like a [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]], existing in "a time that is not a time, a place that is not a place" and randomly drifting in and out of different time periods as well as locations.

to:

** It's a bit of canon that no-one else has really followed up on, but Creator/JohnByrne established during his run on the ''Wonder Woman'' ''ComicBook/{{Wonder Woman|1987}}'' comic that Themyscira functions a bit like a [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]], existing in "a time that is not a time, a place that is not a place" and randomly drifting in and out of different time periods as well as locations.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Not at all. Deserve - as Diana spells out - has nothing to do with it. Diana believes you should try to help people whether or not you think they 'deserve' it. (Ignoring that dumb idea about her quitting heroism until BvS.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Probably because that was just a single line of dialogue. The filmmakers seemed to decide to have faith in the audience being able to tell when they were translating German to English for convenience (since it's not practical to have entire conversations containing important plot information conveyed with subtitles) and when they were leaving it as it is to emphasize a point (Steve naturally speaks English, so to have him say a simple, insignificant sentence in German indicates that he's doing it to try and blend in).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
syntax


** The talk on the boat just proves they know about procreation as a side-effect of sex, not that they do it - they clearly don't reproduce with anyone in any of the different ways the myths say because they've remained isolated on Themiscyra ever since Zeus hid the island. (Not to mention how Diana's lived there some unspecified length of time depending on how long Hippolyta was pregnant Perhaps the gods made them different ages for aesthetic reasons; perhaps some of them had children back when they lived among mortal humans and they aged until they reached a state they felt comfortable in; perhaps it's like the Perez origin where they're reincarnated from victims of domestic violence, and they appear the ages they were when they were murdered.

to:

** The talk on the boat just proves they know about procreation as a side-effect of sex, not that they do it - they clearly don't reproduce with anyone in any of the different ways the myths say because they've remained isolated on Themiscyra ever since Zeus hid the island. (Not to mention how Diana's lived there some unspecified length of time depending on how long Hippolyta was pregnant pregnant. Perhaps the gods made them different ages for aesthetic reasons; perhaps some of them had children back when they lived among mortal humans and they aged until they reached a state they felt comfortable in; perhaps it's like the Perez origin where they're reincarnated from victims of domestic violence, and they appear the ages they were when they were murdered.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** Do you think he had time to think of that?!? I doubt he had to calm down to think that "Hey, maybe I should grab that parachute!" He is more focused in saving London from being gassed. Do you think he had time to think about what to do survive? I think at this point he would care more about saving lives than his own. This was a high pressured situation and just because you know to do doesn't mean everyone knows what to do if they are in a high pressure situation. Also like the first comment said, he probably has no clue how to properly use a parachute and without training, you are going to hurt yourself pretty badly. There is more then just opening the parachute, you have to figure out how to maneuver it a way to find a spot to land and how to land properly without breaking your legs. Also parachutes are not very reliable back then so there is still a good chance Steve would had died or getting seriously injured.

to:

** Do you think he had time to think of that?!? I doubt he had to calm down to think that "Hey, maybe I should grab that parachute!" He is more focused in saving London from being gassed. Do you think he had time to think about what to do to survive? I think at this point he would care more about saving lives than his own. This was a high pressured pressure situation and just because you know what to do doesn't mean everyone knows what to do if they are in a high pressure situation. Also like the first comment said, he probably has no clue how to properly use a parachute and without training, you are going to hurt yourself pretty badly. There is more then than just opening the parachute, you have to figure out how to maneuver it in a way to find a spot to land and how to land properly without breaking your legs. Also parachutes are were not very reliable back then so there is still a good chance Steve would had died or getting seriously injured.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** It also should be notice that we actually live in the most peaceful period of time in human history after WWII. Yes, there were some other local wars but no other global conflict to that scale. Actually at our current time period is the first time in history that no country is at war with other country anywhere. Yes, there are some very violent civil wars most notably the Syrian Civil War but although Civil wars are terrible, they are less dramatic than wars between states as states use all their resources in wars against each others. Think about it, right now no country in the world is officially at war with any other country, that's really new. So if the DCCU is not that different from ours, Diana's actions did work, it took several decades for Ares influence to fully disappear, but it did.

to:

** It also should be notice noticed that we actually live in the most peaceful period of time in human history after WWII. Yes, there were some other local wars but no other global conflict to that scale. Actually at our current time period is the first time in history that no country is at war with other country anywhere. Yes, there are some very violent civil wars most notably the Syrian Civil War but although Civil wars are terrible, they are less dramatic than wars between states as states use all their resources in wars against each others. Think about it, right now no country in the world is officially at war with any other country, that's really new. So if the DCCU is not that different from ours, Diana's actions did work, it took several decades for Ares influence to fully disappear, but it did.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


* In the flashback, we've seen that Steve steals the only plane that has already started its engine, then he circles back to shoot the landed planes and pilots so they cannot pursue him, before destroying the bomb factory for good measure and flies into the distance with nobody pursuing him. But then his plane somehow gets damaged and crash-landed in the sea around Themyscira. There's a German warship there, yes, but how did Steve got shot down by it in the first place? It's implied that Steve is an ace pilot, so he could've avoid the warship with ease. And given that the sea where Themyscira is located is implied to be an uncharted water for it to remain undiscovered for thousands of years, how did Steve's path back to London as well as the German warship's patrol route ended up there in the first place?

to:

* In the flashback, we've seen that Steve steals the only plane that has already started its engine, then he circles back to shoot the landed planes and pilots so they cannot pursue him, before destroying the bomb factory for good measure and flies into the distance with nobody pursuing him. But then his plane somehow gets damaged and crash-landed in the sea around Themyscira. There's a German warship there, yes, but how did Steve got shot down by it in the first place? It's implied that Steve is an ace pilot, so he could've avoid avoided the warship with ease. And given that the sea where Themyscira is located is implied to be an uncharted water for it to remain undiscovered for thousands of years, how did Steve's path back to London as well as the German warship's patrol route ended up there in the first place?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
typos and syntax


** It would have to be a German Parachute, which he wouldn't know how to use (and Ailed members were actually forbidden to use, see bellow) second if he did that then the plane would simply fall back down with no one piloting it. We have to remember its easy to sit here and spend as much time as we like thinking of all the clever things Steve could have done, but he only had around ten seconds to make a choice and could see no other options.

to:

** It would have to be a German Parachute, which he wouldn't know how to use (and Ailed Allied members were actually forbidden to use, see bellow) second below). Second if he did that then the plane would simply fall back down with no one piloting it. We have to remember its easy to sit here and spend as much time as we like thinking of all the clever things Steve could have done, but he only had around ten seconds to make a choice and could see no other options.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** Especially egregious is that she says in ''Batman V Superman'' that the impetus from her walking away was the belief that mankind couldn't stand together -- but she saw plenty of examples of standing together: The Chief is friends with Steve and fights beside him even though he acknowledges the horrible past between their ancestors, Sameer also fights for good even though racism destroyed his dreams, the young German soldiers were relieved and even hugged The Chief after the fighting was over, and the majority of both sides were willing to find middle ground. And Steve gave a HeroicSacrifice for the good of millions of people and his friends were willing to do the same. Plus her despair at seeing man continue to fight even after she supposedly killed Ares loses ground somewhat when it's revealed she never actually killed Ares and things do look up after she kills the real one, and instead of the war ending with her upset or disappointed in humanity she still sees the good in humankind (she says as much to Ares) despite their flaws. That she would eventually walk away because, well, HumansAreBastards is absolutely plausible yet her dialogue [=BVS=] states it was the first World War that made her turn her back. World War II was a more likely culprit.

to:

** Especially egregious is that she says in ''Batman V Superman'' that the impetus from her walking away was the belief that mankind couldn't stand together -- but she saw plenty of examples of standing together: The Chief is friends with Steve and fights beside him even though he acknowledges the horrible past between their ancestors, Sameer also fights for good even though racism destroyed his dreams, the young German soldiers were relieved and even hugged The Chief after the fighting was over, and the majority of both sides were willing to find middle ground. And Steve gave a HeroicSacrifice for the good of millions of people and his friends were willing to do the same. Plus her despair at seeing man men continue to fight even after she supposedly killed Ares loses ground somewhat when it's revealed she never actually killed Ares and things do look up after she kills the real one, and instead of the war ending with her upset or disappointed in humanity she still sees the good in humankind (she says as much to Ares) despite their flaws. That she would eventually walk away because, well, HumansAreBastards is absolutely plausible yet her dialogue in [=BVS=] states it was the first World War that made her turn her back. World War II was a more likely culprit.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** They probably saw Steve drags Diana into cover to protect her when the Germans open fire, so they don't assume he's a hostile immediately. Plus he and Diana were standing at the beach long before they arrived at the scene. If Steve was indeed an enemy, he would've killed Diana already. And Steve was unarmed at the time. He only picked up a rifle from a downed soldier and joined the battle later.

to:

** They probably saw Steve drags drag Diana into cover to protect her when the Germans open fire, so they don't assume he's a hostile immediately. Plus he and Diana were standing at the beach long before they arrived at the scene. If Steve was indeed an enemy, he would've killed Diana already. And Steve was unarmed at the time. He only picked up a rifle from a downed soldier and joined the battle later.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** It's called editing. There's no indication it took one day, it could took weeks but for obvious reasons the movie is not going to show that.

to:

** It's called editing. There's no indication it took one day, it could took have taken weeks but for obvious reasons the movie is not going to show that.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


** Who said he was at full-power? He demonstrates a lot of magical abilities, but nothing says this is his full power. If he's really capable of vanquishing mankind, than realistically Steve and co would have been completely wiped out just by being in the blast zone of his attacks against Diana.

to:

** Who said he was at full-power? He demonstrates a lot of magical abilities, but nothing says this is his full power. If he's really capable of vanquishing mankind, than then realistically Steve and co would have been completely wiped out just by being in the blast zone of his attacks against Diana.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Actually, he makes as if he’s going to cover up, but the way he’s shot from the waist up during part of the scene implies that he doesn’t actually get around to it, and is just standing there completely naked. Plus, there’s when Diana asks him, “What’s that?”, and he clearly thinks she’s referring to...something else, other than the watch.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** When was he "perfectly fine" with it? ''She'' walked in on ''him'' while he was in the bath and wasn't expecting her, and he quite clearly ''covers up'' when he realizes she's there.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** When they were contacting Etta while still in Velt, she mentioned that the Gala (and Ludendorff) are a few hours from their position.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[folder: Pyxis]]
* Was Diana actually fathered by Zeus in the traditional sense, or was the story Hyppolyta told her about being sculpted out of clay really true, and Zeus’s blessing of life was enough to make her a god?
[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Correct me if I’m misremembering, but earlier on was when he’d just met Diana and doesn’t know anything about her, yes? So mayhaps, after learning how naive and innocent she is, he doesn’t want to come off like he’s trying to take advantage of her or anything by sleeping next to her without her consent.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** I would assume that the veil around the island is like a bubble, rather than a cylinder. Meaning it would be invisible no matter the angle you’re viewing from.

Top