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** Maybe it is PositiveDiscrimination?
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** Maybe it is PositiveDiscrimination?positive discrimination?
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** Let's look at Maria's analog from ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''. When the Nurse tells Juliet that Romeo has killed Tybalt, she goes on a rant of oxymorons, calling Romeo things like "Dove-feathered raven" and "wolvish-ravening lamb". When the Nurse chimes in with "Shame come to Romeo", Juliet suddenly turns and says "Blistered be thy tongue
For such a wish!" She hates what he has done, but she can't bring herself to hate the man himself.
For such a wish!" She hates what he has done, but she can't bring herself to hate the man himself.
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** Let's look at Maria's analog from ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''. When the Nurse tells Juliet that Romeo has killed Tybalt, she goes on a rant of oxymorons, calling Romeo things like "Dove-feathered raven" and "wolvish-ravening lamb". When the Nurse chimes in with "Shame come to Romeo", Juliet suddenly turns and says "Blistered be thy tongue
Fortongue/For such a wish!" She hates what he has done, but she can't bring herself to hate the man himself.
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*** In the moments before, she came to the cafe and asked them where Tony was and they were harassing her, flipping up her skirt, and groping her. I saw the Broadway version, and to me, the Sharks all seemed like greedy assholes. Also, yeah, person above. It's no excuse, it's plain monstery.
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*** In the moments before, she came to the cafe café and asked them where Tony was and they were harassing her, flipping up her skirt, and groping her. I saw the Broadway version, and to me, the Sharks all seemed like greedy assholes. Also, yeah, person above. It's no excuse, it's plain monstery.
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*** Also, part of the point of the show is a commentary on gang mentality. If any of the Jets had been alone, of course no rape would have occured.
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*** Also, part of the point of the show is a commentary on gang mentality. If any of the Jets had been alone, of course no rape would have occured.occurred.
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** Nearly being raped also gave Anita the incentive to get revenge on Tony (and possibly Maria too for sending her there in the first place) to further emphasise that innocent people still suffer if a CycleOfRevenge continues.
** It's also a commentary on the gang behaviour from both sides. The Jets are all together and to them, it's just a bit of fun. They think it's funny to harass this woman who's from the other side and don't see the reality of how horrific it is for Anita herself because they're caught up in the joke of it all. It parallels the fights, which to each side seem like harmless rough housing, until it goes sour and gets two people killed.
* I don't know about you, but this trouper would NOT automatically sleep with the person who JUST killed her brother. OK, it was an accident, OK, he was sorry, OK, he didnt mean to do it and wanted to turn himself in. But still...HE KILLED YOUR BROTHER!! And you AUTOMATICALLY sleep with him?! Your brother's been dead not even one hour, and you give yourself to the guy who took his life?! No...just no.
** It's also a commentary on the gang behaviour from both sides. The Jets are all together and to them, it's just a bit of fun. They think it's funny to harass this woman who's from the other side and don't see the reality of how horrific it is for Anita herself because they're caught up in the joke of it all. It parallels the fights, which to each side seem like harmless rough housing, until it goes sour and gets two people killed.
* I don't know about you, but this trouper would NOT automatically sleep with the person who JUST killed her brother. OK, it was an accident, OK, he was sorry, OK, he didnt mean to do it and wanted to turn himself in. But still...HE KILLED YOUR BROTHER!! And you AUTOMATICALLY sleep with him?! Your brother's been dead not even one hour, and you give yourself to the guy who took his life?! No...just no.
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** Nearly being raped also gave Anita the incentive to get revenge on Tony (and possibly Maria too for sending her there in the first place) to further emphasise emphasize that innocent people still suffer if a CycleOfRevenge continues.
** It's also a commentary on the gangbehaviour behavior from both sides. The Jets are all together and to them, it's just a bit of fun. They think it's funny to harass this woman who's from the other side and don't see the reality of how horrific it is for Anita herself because they're caught up in the joke of it all. It parallels the fights, which to each side seem like harmless rough housing, until it goes sour and gets two people killed.
* I don't know about you, but this trouper would NOT automatically sleep with the person who JUST killed her brother. OK, it was an accident, OK, he was sorry, OK, hedidnt didn't mean to do it and wanted to turn himself in. But still...HE KILLED YOUR BROTHER!! And you AUTOMATICALLY sleep with him?! Your brother's been dead not even one hour, and you give yourself to the guy who took his life?! No...just no.
** It's also a commentary on the gang
* I don't know about you, but this trouper would NOT automatically sleep with the person who JUST killed her brother. OK, it was an accident, OK, he was sorry, OK, he
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** By automatically I meant she didn't stop to think, "HOLD ON, my brother is dead and HE killed him!" Also she ran to him, but then insted of attacking she throws herself into his arms! Like, HELLO, your brother JUST died, and HE did it! plus you can be with someone without having SEX with them. Sex isn't a game,it's a big deal, it's giving yourself to someone...and it's also understood Maria was a virgin. You lost your virginity to you BROTHER'S KILLER?! Something isn't right there...
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** By automatically I meant she didn't stop to think, "HOLD ON, my brother is dead and HE killed him!" Also she ran to him, but then insted of attacking she throws herself into his arms! Like, HELLO, your brother JUST died, and HE did it! plus you can be with someone without having SEX with them. Sex isn't a game,it's game, it's a big deal, it's giving yourself to someone...and it's also understood Maria was a virgin. You lost your virginity to you BROTHER'S KILLER?! Something isn't right there...
** I might add her first thought is NOT to just automatically go and make out with the guy and then fall into bed with him. Even in the 1961 film, as soon as she sees him, she ''physically attacks'' Tony, hitting him and screaming "KILLER! KILLER! KILLER! KILLER!" He lets her do it and then holds onto her while he tries to explain what happened at the rumble, which gives Maria a chance to calm down and listen. Sure, afterwards, it's not the smartest or emotionally healthiest thing to sleep with one another but they've gone through a traumatic experience and are looking for comfort from the closest person to them that understands.
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** I think it's more accurate to say that the point the song is trying to make is "The issue of juvenile deliquency is really complicated and cannot be attributed to any single cause alone."
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** I think it's more accurate to say that the point the song is trying to make is "The issue of juvenile deliquency delinquency is really complicated and cannot be attributed to any single cause alone."
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* It always strikes me as amusing that the swearing is censored: "ever-loving", "bugging", etc, but the violence and threatened rape isn't. Oh 1950s, you were a strange fish.
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* It always strikes me as amusing that the swearing is censored: "ever-loving", "bugging", etc, etc., but the violence and threatened rape isn't. Oh 1950s, you were a strange fish.
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* Why did Chino shoot Tony as he was about to hug Maria and some of the jets started to appear in the playground? I felt like he was more of a follower and coward then Bernardo and he only had a slight chance of doing it if Tony were alone and not when there were witnesses. It also appears that there might have been a chance he might have missed and hurt Maria.
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* Why did Chino shoot Tony as he was about to hug Maria and some of the jets Jets started to appear in the playground? I felt like he was more of a follower and coward then Bernardo and he only had a slight chance of doing it if Tony were alone and not when there were witnesses. It also appears that there might have been a chance he might have missed and hurt Maria.
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** Same film (can't remember if it's the same in the original) but Tony is only at the rumble there because María begs him to intervene, hoping to stop it. He doesn't want to, fearing he'll lapse back into his old ways, especially if it's an out of control fight where neither side wants to compromise. So Bernardo was killed by the man who María told to be there, meaning Tony isn't 100% at fault.
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** While played for comedy, the lyrics do suggest a repetitive pattern in how the authorities try to deal with the Jets. First thrown in jail for a crime, then sent before a judge who sends them to a psychologist, who then slaps a diagnosis on them, sends them to a social worker who just tells them to get a job, and then they don't change and end up back in jail once again for another crime. The psychologist doesn't rehabilitate them or seem interested in examining ''how'' and ''why'', or what to do to change the cycle - and the social worker doesn't try to get them away from the abusive family or life of poverty. For one, the only kind of work they can get hired for is the "schmuck" stuff they see as basically slavery (and they believe being in the gang is freedom) and no one educates them on social mobility or how they could work their way up to a nicer lifestyle.
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** And who's to say they didn't hear her and assume she was singing with one of the neighbors? What reason would they have to first think her singing partner is the boy she met briefly at the dance earlier?
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* In all likelihood, neither the Jets nor the Sharks ''have'' seen a knife fight before. Get some prop knives and try fighting with a friend. It's nigh impossible to land a hit without getting hit yourself. But since violence is all about escalation, they were gonna keep upping the ante until they had to try them.
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** The 2021 film makes it clear that neither side actually ''wants'' to fight with knives, but both of them are under the belief that the other group does and are planning on bringing them to the rumble [[SelfFulfillingProphecy so they bring knives themselves just in case their suspicions prove correct]].
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** It's also a commentary on the gang behaviour from both sides. The Jets are all together and to them, it's just a bit of fun. They think it's funny to harass this woman who's from the other side and don't see the reality of how horrific it is for Anita herself because they're caught up in the joke of it all. It parallels the fights, which to each side seem like harmless rough housing, until it goes sour and gets two people killed.
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** Well the odd thing about the Hays Code is that rape was more acceptable to portray or imply than consensual sex. The standards of the day meant that a respectable woman couldn't be seen consenting to sex. Take the song "Baby It's Cold Outside", which some modern commenters miss the context of and think it's just a man pressuring a woman into staying the night - but the context of when it was written is very important in understanding the lyrics. TL;DR the woman wants to stay the night, but she's not allowed to agree instantly and remain respectable, so she has to put up all sorts of token protests and use the storm outside as an excuse for why she didn't go home. So in a weird way, rape was more acceptable to hint at in the Golden Age because, since it's non-consensual by definition, the woman not wanting it meant she was still respectable. And back then, while it was seen as bad, it was more so because she was considered DefiledForever (and the Ancient Greeks defined it as bad because it happened without the permission of her father/husband/male superior).
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** And who's to say he would care if he hit Maria by accident? Perhaps he considered her a traitor for falling in love with Tony. It wouldn't exactly be unrealistic for the woman to be blamed for that sort of thing.
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** He's a kid who wants to belong, and the Jets seem like cool badasses from the outside.
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** In the 2021 version, it's just Bernardo and Anita in the apartment. And the two are in their room, preparing to fool around, so they won't be paying too much attention to what Maria is doing.
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** In the 2021 film she might more simply mean Chino, since everyone thinks he and Maria will get together. Anita might just think Tony and Maria are a fling, while Chino is the ideal boy for her.
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** Isn't that exactly what Maria ends up doing? When Tony is killed in front of her, she grabs the gun and shames everyone for the senselessness of it all. And that's enough to bring an end to it all. So that's what Maria did in the end - she was just too late to prevent one more death.
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** Either option is perfectly valid, considering the ending doesn't tell us either way. But the context of adaptation between Juliet to Maria is important to note. Juliet doesn't just kill herself to be with Romeo; she's living in a world where she's to be married to a man she doesn't know to get her family wealth or political favour. She would be completely ruined if she were discovered to have faked her death and married someone behind her father's back, and so would her family. Juliet's only option was to die, and that served to shock her parents into realising just what they'd put their daughter through - as Shakespeare wanted to give the audience AnAesop about the evils of child marriage (Juliet's counterpart in the story he got it from was eighteen, and she's fourteen in the play). Maria is eighteen in the 20th century and, while the 1950s weren't the best time for women either, she's got far more opportunities than Juliet. She doesn't face dishonour or ruin for her family if she lives (her parents are dead in the 2021 film, and we know nothing about them in the originals but it's safe to assume they wouldn't disown her for falling for a white boy). It's possible she will end up leaving New York like she'd planned to after all; since she didn't have anything keeping her there if she was so quick to elope with Tony. Things between her and Anita would certainly be strained when Maria finds out that Anita's meddling got Tony killed.
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** Nearly being raped also gave Anita the incentive to get revenge on Tony (and possibly Maria too for sending her there in the first place) to further emphasise that innocent people still suffer if a CycleOfRevenge continues.
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** Because the situation is complicated. In the 2021 film, Maria doesn't have the best relationship with Bernardo, who's quite controlling. But even so, Maria is a young woman feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. The fact that it happens so soon after her brother dies just sells how in the moment it was. If Tony had come to her even the next day, things would have gone very differently.
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** Let's look at Maria's analog from ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''. When the Nurse tells Juliet that Romeo has killed Tybalt, she goes on a rant of oxymorons, calling Romeo things like "Dove-feathered raven" and "wolvish-ravening lamb". When the Nurse chimes in with "Shame come to Romeo", Juliet suddenly turns and says "Blistered be thy tongue
For such a wish!" She hates what he has done, but she can't bring herself to hate the man himself.
For such a wish!" She hates what he has done, but she can't bring herself to hate the man himself.
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** It happens too fast for her to take the bullet. In the 1961 movie and most stage productions, neither she nor Tony even see Chino there until he fires the shot.
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* In all likelihood, neither the Jets nor the Sharks ''have'' seen a knife fight before. Get some prop knives and try fighting with a friend. It's nigh impossible to land a hit without getting hit yourself. But since violence is all about escalation, they were gonna keep upping the ante until they had to try them.
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** For that matter, if Maria loved Tony so much, why didn't she sacrifice her life for his?
* In the movie during "Anita's rape scene", Ice and Anybodys magically disappear. I have been thinking that this is because the directors did not know what to do with the characters-- Anybodys, of course, because she is female, and standing by while another female is being raped is gonna be bad. Ice is considered cool headed and logical, so he would think better than to harass her, but probably not stop everyone else from doing that-- and he is supposed to be likable, and standing off to the side and letting everyone else rape Anita would be, eh, UNLIKABLE. So he poofed to. Then Anybodys magically reappears after Doc tells them to leave.
** Anbodys can actually be seen during much of the attempted rape scene, sort of skulking about at the cellar door. I didn't see Ice in the drugstore at all, in that scene.
* In the movie during "Anita's rape scene", Ice and Anybodys magically disappear. I have been thinking that this is because the directors did not know what to do with the characters-- Anybodys, of course, because she is female, and standing by while another female is being raped is gonna be bad. Ice is considered cool headed and logical, so he would think better than to harass her, but probably not stop everyone else from doing that-- and he is supposed to be likable, and standing off to the side and letting everyone else rape Anita would be, eh, UNLIKABLE. So he poofed to. Then Anybodys magically reappears after Doc tells them to leave.
** Anbodys can actually be seen during much of the attempted rape scene, sort of skulking about at the cellar door. I didn't see Ice in the drugstore at all, in that scene.
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** For that matter, if Maria loved Tony so much, why didn't she sacrifice her life [[TakingTheBullet take the bullet]] for his?
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* In the movie during "Anita's rape scene", Ice and Anybodys magically disappear. I have been thinking that this is because the directors did not know what to do with the characters-- Anybodys, of course, because she is female, and standing by while another female is being raped is gonna be bad. Ice is considered cool headed and logical, so he would think better than to harass her, but probably not stop everyone else from doing that-- and he is supposed to be likable, and standing off to the side and letting everyone else rape Anita would be, eh, UNLIKABLE. So he poofedto.too. Then Anybodys magically reappears after Doc tells them to leave.
**Anbodys Anybodys can actually be seen during much of the attempted rape scene, sort of skulking about at the cellar door. I didn't see Ice in the drugstore at all, in that scene.
* In the movie during "Anita's rape scene", Ice and Anybodys magically disappear. I have been thinking that this is because the directors did not know what to do with the characters-- Anybodys, of course, because she is female, and standing by while another female is being raped is gonna be bad. Ice is considered cool headed and logical, so he would think better than to harass her, but probably not stop everyone else from doing that-- and he is supposed to be likable, and standing off to the side and letting everyone else rape Anita would be, eh, UNLIKABLE. So he poofed
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