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* I'm sure Ragnar knows as well as anyone that an acceptable human sacrifice must be completely willing, and have a strong belief in the gods. So why on earth did he ever think Athelstan would make a good sacrifice? Spiritually, the former priest doesn't know what he believes anymore, and the fact that Ragnar had to manipulate him into it just proves that he wouldn't have been willing.
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* I'm sure Ragnar knows as well as anyone that an acceptable human sacrifice must be completely willing, and have a strong belief in the gods. So why on earth did he ever think Athelstan would make a good sacrifice? Spiritually, the former priest doesn't know what he believes anymore, and the fact that Ragnar had to manipulate him into it just proves that he wouldn't have been willing.willing.
** It was a choice between a slave he knew for a few months and friends he's known for longer.
** It was a choice between a slave he knew for a few months and friends he's known for longer.
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** If it's Rolf, then it's all right.
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** If it's Rolf, then it's all right.right.
* I'm sure Ragnar knows as well as anyone that an acceptable human sacrifice must be completely willing, and have a strong belief in the gods. So why on earth did he ever think Athelstan would make a good sacrifice? Spiritually, the former priest doesn't know what he believes anymore, and the fact that Ragnar had to manipulate him into it just proves that he wouldn't have been willing.
* I'm sure Ragnar knows as well as anyone that an acceptable human sacrifice must be completely willing, and have a strong belief in the gods. So why on earth did he ever think Athelstan would make a good sacrifice? Spiritually, the former priest doesn't know what he believes anymore, and the fact that Ragnar had to manipulate him into it just proves that he wouldn't have been willing.
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** King Horik refers to his enemy as a "Jarl" for some reason. Danes may refer to foreign nobles as Jarls, but Haraldson called the Swedish Earl and Earl.
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** Well, Rolf/Rolph is an alternate anglicization of Hrolf as well.
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** Well, Rolf/Rolph is an alternate anglicization of Hrolf as well.well.
** If it's Rolf, then it's all right.
** If it's Rolf, then it's all right.
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** Also note that in the above two instances it's two vikings with a slave. It may very well be that the slave 'doesn't count' even though they are participating, making it less weird for them.
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** Look at it from the actor's point of view. You have to film a sequence in a pit full of snakes. Wouldn't you regard the director using poisonous ones as being a bit too much?
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** It might be a mistake, or the creators liked the name Rollo better. I don't think the Saxons are supposed to be speaking Old Norse in the scene. Rollo later says that he didn't understand what they were saying.
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** It might be a mistake, or the creators liked the name Rollo better. I don't think the Saxons are supposed to be speaking Old Norse in the scene. Rollo later says that he didn't understand what they were saying.saying.
** Well, Rolf/Rolph is an alternate anglicization of Hrolf as well.
** Well, Rolf/Rolph is an alternate anglicization of Hrolf as well.
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* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf. For that matter, why do the Saxons suddenly now know Old Norse?
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* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf. For that matter, why do the Saxons suddenly now know Old Norse?Norse?
** It might be a mistake, or the creators liked the name Rollo better. I don't think the Saxons are supposed to be speaking Old Norse in the scene. Rollo later says that he didn't understand what they were saying.
** It might be a mistake, or the creators liked the name Rollo better. I don't think the Saxons are supposed to be speaking Old Norse in the scene. Rollo later says that he didn't understand what they were saying.
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* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf.
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* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf. For that matter, why do the Saxons suddenly now know Old Norse?
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** Pythons are bigger, so they show up better on screen, and they're nonvenomous, so they're easier to handle.
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** Pythons are bigger, so they show up better on screen, and they're nonvenomous, so they're easier to handle.handle.
* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf.
* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf.
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** It's supposed to be a viper pit. They either didn't realize they got the wrong snakes or didn't care.
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** It's supposed to be a viper pit. They either didn't realize they got the wrong snakes or didn't care.care.
** Pythons are bigger, so they show up better on screen, and they're nonvenomous, so they're easier to handle.
** Pythons are bigger, so they show up better on screen, and they're nonvenomous, so they're easier to handle.
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** They didn't express 'bafflement at the Vikings' tactics', they expressed horror at their enthusiasm for battle and their lack of fear in the face of death. Accentuated by the fact that Rollo in the midst of battle leads the Vikings in war-chant which ends with the words; "all must die some day!". There's nothing explicitly suggesting unfamiliarity with shield-walls. In any case, I dispute how effective fighting one shield wall with another shield wall would, especially considering that the Vikings are almost uniformally larger and stronger than their Saxon enemies,
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** It might have been a reference to the ''Anglo-Saxon Chronicle'', which claims "In this year fierce, foreboding omens came over the land of Northumbria. '''There were excessive whirlwinds, lightning storms,''' and fiery dragons were seen flying in the sky. These signs were followed by great famine, and on 8 January the ravaging of heathen men destroyed God's church at Lindisfarne."
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* Now, I'm not an expert on snakes and I didn't get a good look at all of them, but to me, it looked like most of the snakes in King Aelle's pit were pythons and other constrictors, not vipers. How exactly did a couple bites kill the guy he threw in there?
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* Now, I'm not an expert on snakes and I didn't get a good look at all of them, but to me, it looked like most of the snakes in King Aelle's pit were pythons and other constrictors, not vipers. How exactly did a couple bites kill the guy he threw in there?there?
** It's supposed to be a viper pit. They either didn't realize they got the wrong snakes or didn't care.
** It's supposed to be a viper pit. They either didn't realize they got the wrong snakes or didn't care.
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** possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who ''haven't'' played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me too.
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** possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who ''haven't'' played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me too.too.
** Alternatively, to avoid anymore gratuitous norse than necessary. Jarl is the root word for Earl, at any rate, so just some more translation convention.
* Now, I'm not an expert on snakes and I didn't get a good look at all of them, but to me, it looked like most of the snakes in King Aelle's pit were pythons and other constrictors, not vipers. How exactly did a couple bites kill the guy he threw in there?
** Alternatively, to avoid anymore gratuitous norse than necessary. Jarl is the root word for Earl, at any rate, so just some more translation convention.
* Now, I'm not an expert on snakes and I didn't get a good look at all of them, but to me, it looked like most of the snakes in King Aelle's pit were pythons and other constrictors, not vipers. How exactly did a couple bites kill the guy he threw in there?
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** possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who _haven't_ played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me too.
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** possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who _haven't_ ''haven't'' played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me too.
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** possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who _haven't_ played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me too.
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** Thank you! I was wondering if I was the only one who was bothered by that. It's a small detail, but if Skyrim taught me anything, it's that landowning Norse chieftains are "Jarls".
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* Why ''Earl'' Haraldsson and not ''Jarl'' Haraldsson?
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** If it helps, the head-monk outright tells him he's overreacting.
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** To the monks' Biblical view of the world, storms are punishments from God. Thematically, the monks' fear of the storm is meant to contrast the Vikings, who also ponder its supernatural implications but decide that it's a blessing from their badass warrior gods. While the monks are cowering in their cells, Floki is screaming to the heavens. We can sure guess what's going to happen when these two groups meet, can't we?
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*** Once the shield wall is right in front of their noses, they naturally do the limited number of things at their disposal to try to overcome it, but that doesn't mean that they're already familiar with the tactic. They're arranged loosely on the beach before the battle, don't advance toward the Viking's in a shield wall of their own, and later express bafflement at the Vikings' way of fighting.
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** In episode five, Floki invites another viking to bed with him and his slave. Apparently two guys doubleteaming a girl wasn't that unusual for vikings, at least in the context of this show.
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* Anyone else bothered by how quickly Athelstan and the other monks are to jump on the "the end is nigh!" wagon? Did they just assume every thunderstorm was the harbinger of the end of the world?
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* ArtisticLicense and all but it's disappointing the Saxons don't know how to form a shield wall yet. It's a common tactic for cultures with big shields.
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* ArtisticLicense and all but it's disappointing the Saxons don't know how to form a shield wall yet. It's a common tactic for cultures with big shields.shields.
** They did, didn't they? The bulk of the fight was a big shoving match with shields and the occasional pointy thing thrown into the mix that ''is'' a fight between two shieldwalls. What the Viking raiders did at the start was something like a testudo formation modified to account for their small numbers.
** They did, didn't they? The bulk of the fight was a big shoving match with shields and the occasional pointy thing thrown into the mix that ''is'' a fight between two shieldwalls. What the Viking raiders did at the start was something like a testudo formation modified to account for their small numbers.
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** They're doing it because they're freaky and see Athelstan as a harmless sex toy. Story-wise, it contrasts Ragnar's open and friendly character with the Earl's paranoid, domineering character as well as presents the challenges that face Athelstan as a monk trapped among pagans.
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** They're doing it because they're freaky and see Athelstan as a harmless sex toy. Story-wise, it contrasts Ragnar's open and friendly character with the Earl's paranoid, domineering character as well as presents the challenges that face Athelstan as a monk trapped among pagans.pagans.
* ArtisticLicense and all but it's disappointing the Saxons don't know how to form a shield wall yet. It's a common tactic for cultures with big shields.
* ArtisticLicense and all but it's disappointing the Saxons don't know how to form a shield wall yet. It's a common tactic for cultures with big shields.
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** Possibly, Ragnar was looking for a way to get Athelstan to tell him about England. "Oh, let's sex up the priest and trick him into revealing how to take England. Oh, that didn't work. Better try alcohol instead."
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** Possibly, Ragnar was looking for a way to get Athelstan to tell him about England. "Oh, let's sex up the priest and trick him into revealing how to take England. Oh, that didn't work. Better try alcohol instead.""
** They're doing it because they're freaky and see Athelstan as a harmless sex toy. Story-wise, it contrasts Ragnar's open and friendly character with the Earl's paranoid, domineering character as well as presents the challenges that face Athelstan as a monk trapped among pagans.
** They're doing it because they're freaky and see Athelstan as a harmless sex toy. Story-wise, it contrasts Ragnar's open and friendly character with the Earl's paranoid, domineering character as well as presents the challenges that face Athelstan as a monk trapped among pagans.
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** Why not? Haraldson's jealous, paranoid, and possessive. Rollo's domineering and obviously wants Lagertha to himself, not to share her with Ragnar. These aren't the same situation as a couple consenting to have a threesome with another party.
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** Why not? Haraldson's jealous, paranoid, and possessive. Rollo's domineering and obviously wants Lagertha to himself, not to share her with Ragnar. These aren't the same situation as a couple consenting to have a threesome with another party.party.
**Possibly, Ragnar was looking for a way to get Athelstan to tell him about England. "Oh, let's sex up the priest and trick him into revealing how to take England. Oh, that didn't work. Better try alcohol instead."
**Possibly, Ragnar was looking for a way to get Athelstan to tell him about England. "Oh, let's sex up the priest and trick him into revealing how to take England. Oh, that didn't work. Better try alcohol instead."
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* Why would Ragnar and Lagertha invite Athelstan to bed with them, unless they were just testing his celibacy to see if he could trust him alone with his wife? However, there was no "See I told you he wouldn't! You can trust him," moment. I suppose even though Haraldson wouldn't share his wife and Lagertha wouldn't sleep with Rollo, it's not taboo to do weird things with your slaves?
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* Why would Ragnar and Lagertha invite Athelstan to bed with them, unless they were just testing his celibacy to see if he could trust him alone with his wife? However, there was no "See I told you he wouldn't! You can trust him," moment. I suppose even though Haraldson wouldn't share his wife and Lagertha wouldn't sleep with Rollo, it's not taboo to do weird things with your slaves?slaves?
** Why not? Haraldson's jealous, paranoid, and possessive. Rollo's domineering and obviously wants Lagertha to himself, not to share her with Ragnar. These aren't the same situation as a couple consenting to have a threesome with another party.
** Why not? Haraldson's jealous, paranoid, and possessive. Rollo's domineering and obviously wants Lagertha to himself, not to share her with Ragnar. These aren't the same situation as a couple consenting to have a threesome with another party.
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* Why would Ragnar and Lagertha invite Athelstan to bed with them, unless they were just testing his celibacy to see if he could trust him alone with his wife? However, there was no "See I told you he wouldn't! You can trust him," moment. I suppose even though Haraldson wouldn't share his wife and Lagertha wouldn't sleep with Rollo, it's not taboo to do weird things with your slaves?
