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* What happened with Touka's goal of going to Kamii University? Did she graduate between the gap between the original series and :re? Did she give up on that dream once Anteiku was destroyed to start up her own cafe?
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* What happened with Touka's goal of going to Kamii University? Did she graduate between the gap between the original series and :re? Did she give up on that dream once Anteiku was destroyed to start up her own cafe?cafe?
** She had to leave the 20th Ward after Anteiku fell, which is where Kamii is, and Kamii was the university she wanted to attend, so she seems to have set it aside for the time being. Still, an unmarried woman owning and running a business is a pretty big deal in Japan, and I imagine it's even more impressive for a ghoul.
** She had to leave the 20th Ward after Anteiku fell, which is where Kamii is, and Kamii was the university she wanted to attend, so she seems to have set it aside for the time being. Still, an unmarried woman owning and running a business is a pretty big deal in Japan, and I imagine it's even more impressive for a ghoul.
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*** Her origin as a member of the Sunlit Garden may have also contributed to this. The Washuu's would probably prefer V to take care of her quietly rather than have the CCG engage in a massive manhunt and potentially air out a lot of their dirty laundry.
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*** Her origin as a member of the Sunlit Garden may have also contributed to this. The Washuu's would probably prefer V to take care of her quietly rather than have the CCG engage in a massive manhunt and potentially air risk them finding out a lot of the truth about their dirty laundry.clan.
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*** Her origin as a member of the Sunlit Garden may have also contributed to this. The Washuu's would probably prefer V to take care of her quietly rather than have the CCG engage in a massive manhunt and potentially air out a lot of their dirty laundry.
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** It's actually rooted in body language, where people tend to touch their mouth or near their mouth whenever they're hiding something.
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** :re seems to suggest that One-Eyes are uncontrolled and therefore undesirable competition for the [[spoiler: Washuu's]] hybrids.
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** :re seems to suggest that One-Eyes are uncontrolled and therefore undesirable competition for the [[spoiler: Washuu's]] hybrids.
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** V were trying to control hybridization in order to produce a "perfect" being. Eto being outside their control meant the spread of potential competitors to V. They probably didn't learn about Kaneki until after the Anteiku raid. And the suppression of information about the Eyepatch ghoul even within CCG was probably as much to protect Haise from V as it was to prevent him from recovering his identity too early.
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** Statistically speaking, the chances of a Ghoul coming across and identifying a criminal are incredibly small. In large metropolitan cities, there's millions of people to sort through, and no way to tell if one's a criminal and even if they are, if they're heartless enough to warrant death. And if they are truly involved in Yakuza or the criminal underworld, a Ghoul wouldn't want to get attention from those kinds of groups, since they'd probably call the CCG. And they ''also'' need to make sure they don't eat any drug users; that's just food poisoning. So while the criminal population is technically an ''option'' for feeding, it's not exactly a reliable or viable one.
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* I get that the Dragon is formed from Kaneki eating the Oggai but why are there multiple forms of the Dragon in each ward? And why do they survive Kaneki being retrieved? And why is Rize brought back by this? And why do they spawn the poison-emitting monsters? Basically, everything about the Dragon has me confused.
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* I get that the Dragon is formed from Kaneki eating the Oggai but why are there multiple forms of the Dragon in each ward? And why do they survive Kaneki being retrieved? And why is Rize brought back by this? And why do they spawn the poison-emitting monsters? Basically, everything about the Dragon has me confused.confused.
** I assume there aren't multiple forms of Dragon across Wards, but one giant one spanning across them. I believe it was also mentioned that Kaneki subconsciously creates clones of himself only to consume them while Dragon, so that could be an alternate theory.
**Rize was brought back because it was her kagune being the cause. Kaneki had Rize's kagune, as did the Oggai.
* What happened with Touka's goal of going to Kamii University? Did she graduate between the gap between the original series and :re? Did she give up on that dream once Anteiku was destroyed to start up her own cafe?
** I assume there aren't multiple forms of Dragon across Wards, but one giant one spanning across them. I believe it was also mentioned that Kaneki subconsciously creates clones of himself only to consume them while Dragon, so that could be an alternate theory.
**Rize was brought back because it was her kagune being the cause. Kaneki had Rize's kagune, as did the Oggai.
* What happened with Touka's goal of going to Kamii University? Did she graduate between the gap between the original series and :re? Did she give up on that dream once Anteiku was destroyed to start up her own cafe?
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* Where might the chin/cheek-touching tic have actually come from? The earliest, in-universe, examples are Kaneki's mom doing it in a flashback and Hide doing it right when he ''met'' Kaneki. How might the same tic have showed up independently in two people who, as far as we know, had no contact? Or did they? Or maybe they had a mutual connection with the originator?
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* Where might the chin/cheek-touching tic have actually come from? The earliest, in-universe, examples are Kaneki's mom doing it in a flashback and Hide doing it right when he ''met'' Kaneki. How might the same tic have showed up independently in two people who, as far as we know, had no contact? Or did they? Or maybe they had a mutual connection with the originator?originator?
* I get that the Dragon is formed from Kaneki eating the Oggai but why are there multiple forms of the Dragon in each ward? And why do they survive Kaneki being retrieved? And why is Rize brought back by this? And why do they spawn the poison-emitting monsters? Basically, everything about the Dragon has me confused.
* I get that the Dragon is formed from Kaneki eating the Oggai but why are there multiple forms of the Dragon in each ward? And why do they survive Kaneki being retrieved? And why is Rize brought back by this? And why do they spawn the poison-emitting monsters? Basically, everything about the Dragon has me confused.
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** I think the fact that characters have reformed yet still retained their LGBTQ+ status already saves things. And the character's sexualities are not the cause of their actions. Mutsuki is trans yet was still portrayed as a sweet, sympathetic guy. At least, one side of his was. He just got dealt a really bad hand as a child and now as an adult, something that happens to most everyone, causing him to go mad. Heck, him constantly being preyed on by depraved characters that is eerily reminiscent of hate crimes is meant to to be met with disgust. Mutsuki is a victim that has caused him to go down the same tragic route Kaneki did. Anyone has the capacity to be affected that way. Matsuri Washuu is the nicest of the clan, and the only one to reform too, especially after his feelings for Urie are revealed. As for Tsukiyama, true, he is portrayed as extremely flamboyant. But let's not forget that he did not have feelings for Kaneki initially as a villain. He wanted to eat him. He considered him a rare delicacy. It was only afterwards when he joined his side that he began to develop actual feelings, and he has since matured and bettered himself. Kaneki himself even noted that Tsukiyama was handsome and blushed a lot around him. Tsukiyama's flamboyancy is for humourous purposes and shows how theatrical he is. At least, that's how I've been seeing it. Every character in the story is flawed, yet if they're not completely evil, then they still have their good points. The gender or sexuality doesn't matter in this. The morality does. Again, just how I see it.
Side note: Not confirmed but I feel it's pretty obvious that Saiko and Hsiao have a thing for each other.
Side note: Not confirmed but I feel it's pretty obvious that Saiko and Hsiao have a thing for each other.
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** I think the fact that characters have reformed yet still retained their LGBTQ+ status already saves things. And the character's sexualities are not the cause of their actions. Mutsuki is trans yet was still portrayed as a sweet, sympathetic guy. At least, one side of his was. He just got dealt a really bad hand as a child and now as an adult, something that happens to most everyone, causing him to go mad. Heck, him constantly being preyed on by depraved characters that is eerily reminiscent of hate crimes is meant to to be met with disgust. Mutsuki is a victim that has caused him to go down the same tragic route Kaneki did. Anyone has the capacity to be affected that way. Matsuri Washuu is the nicest of the clan, and the only one to reform too, especially after his feelings for Urie are revealed. As for Tsukiyama, true, he is portrayed as extremely flamboyant. But let's not forget that he did not have feelings for Kaneki initially as a villain. He wanted to eat him. He considered him a rare delicacy. It was only afterwards when he joined his side that he began to develop actual feelings, and he has since matured and bettered himself. Kaneki himself even noted that Tsukiyama was handsome and blushed a lot around him. Tsukiyama's flamboyancy is for humourous purposes and shows how theatrical he is. At least, that's how I've been seeing it. Every character in the story is flawed, yet if they're not completely evil, then they still have their good points. The gender or sexuality doesn't matter in this. The morality does. Again, just how I see it. \n Side note: Not confirmed but I feel it's pretty obvious that Saiko and Hsiao have a thing for each other.
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Side note: Not confirmed but I feel it's pretty obvious that Saiko and Hsiao have a thing for each other.
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** I think the fact that characters have reformed yet still retained their LGBTQ+ status already saves things. And the character's sexualities are not the cause of their actions. Mutsuki is trans yet was still portrayed as a sweet, sympathetic guy. At least, one side of his was. He just got dealt a really bad hand as a child and now as an adult, something that happens to most everyone, causing him to go mad. Heck, him constantly being preyed on by depraved characters that is eerily reminiscent of hate crimes is meant to to be met with disgust. Mutsuki is a victim that has caused him to go down the same tragic route Kaneki did. Anyone has the capacity to be affected that way. Matsuri Washuu is the nicest of the clan, and the only one to reform too, especially after his feelings for Urie are revealed. As for Tsukiyama, true, he is portrayed as extremely flamboyant. But let's not forget that he did not have feelings for Kaneki initially as a villain. He wanted to eat him. He considered him a rare delicacy. It was only afterwards when he joined his side that he began to develop actual feelings, and he has since matured and bettered himself. Kaneki himself even noted that Tsukiyama was handsome and blushed a lot around him. Tsukiyama's flamboyancy is for humourous purposes and shows how theatrical he is. At least, that's how I've been seeing it. Every character in the story is flawed, yet if they're not completely evil, then they still have their good points. The gender or sexuality doesn't matter in this. The morality does. Again, just how I see it.
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** "ILWYC and sexuality aren't mutually exclusive" Nor mutually inclusive either. Not everyone read "Kaneki, I looove you~" as confirmation that she has a sexual or romantic interest in him either (I certainly didn't), and I didn't do the same for Karen. I'd say it's up for interpretation on both accounts. Also, Tsukiyama's development doesn't erase his history certainly and it cements as an overall bad person, but it does take him out of the villain list (which was your initial argument) to the AntiVillain area since he is able to show empathy for other people + his goals are the same as Kaneki's and he's actively helping him. But well, agree to disagree on both accounts I guess, and anyway I have no arguments for Matsuri, Nico or Mutsuki. There's definitely a disparity going on in the manga. Edit: Actually, thinking now that Tsukiyama most definitely ''started'' as a villain and was definitely portrayed as bisexual even from that time, and taking the pattern of the other queer characters in consideration, I can see the point you're making, so I'm giving you that one.
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** "ILWYC and sexuality aren't mutually exclusive" Nor mutually inclusive either. Not everyone read "Kaneki, I looove you~" as confirmation that she has a sexual or romantic interest in him either (I certainly didn't), and I didn't do the same for Karen. I'd say it's up for interpretation on both accounts. Also, Tsukiyama's development doesn't erase his history certainly and it cements as an overall bad person, but it does take him out of the villain list (which was your initial argument) to the AntiVillain area since he is able to show empathy for other people + his goals are the same as Kaneki's and he's actively helping him. But well, agree to disagree on both accounts I guess, and anyway I have no arguments for Matsuri, Nico or Mutsuki. There's definitely a disparity going on in the manga. Edit: Actually, thinking now that Tsukiyama most definitely ''started'' as a villain and was definitely portrayed as bisexual even from that time, and taking the pattern of the other queer characters in consideration, I can see the point you're making, so I'm giving you that one.one.
* Where might the chin/cheek-touching tic have actually come from? The earliest, in-universe, examples are Kaneki's mom doing it in a flashback and Hide doing it right when he ''met'' Kaneki. How might the same tic have showed up independently in two people who, as far as we know, had no contact? Or did they? Or maybe they had a mutual connection with the originator?
* Where might the chin/cheek-touching tic have actually come from? The earliest, in-universe, examples are Kaneki's mom doing it in a flashback and Hide doing it right when he ''met'' Kaneki. How might the same tic have showed up independently in two people who, as far as we know, had no contact? Or did they? Or maybe they had a mutual connection with the originator?
