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** Yet-uglier thought: Ruth apparently resorted to trading sexual favors for food to sustain herself and Jane. It's entirely possible that ''Jane wasn't her only pregnancy'' ... just the only one that '''survived'''.

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** Yet-uglier thought: Ruth apparently resorted to trading sexual favors for food to sustain herself and Jane. It's entirely possible that ''Jane ''Jane's wasn't her only pregnancy'' ... childbirth'' ... just the only one that '''survived'''.in which the baby '''survived'''. Ruth's daughter may have known what was happening to her because she'd seen it happening to her mum before.
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** It's possible that, before she died, Ruth did teach her a bit, though, perhaps, Jane did learn a little from observation, as people can reproduce (not well, but still).

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** It's possible that, before she died, Ruth did teach her a bit, though, perhaps, Jane did learn a little from observation, as people can reproduce (not well, but still).still).
** Yet-uglier thought: Ruth apparently resorted to trading sexual favors for food to sustain herself and Jane. It's entirely possible that ''Jane wasn't her only pregnancy'' ... just the only one that '''survived'''.
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!!That pregnancy timeline ain't right.

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!!That pregnancy timeline ain't right.!!Existence Post-Nukes.



!!Jane post-nukes.
* On the subject of her infant daughter, it’s amazing that she survived into becoming a teenager what with the radiation - chances are Ruth would have struggled to breast feed (malnutrition, radiation, ptsd etc.). Again it just seems so strange that a baby would survive with all the odds stacked against her.



* On the subject of her infant daughter, it’s amazing that she survived into becoming a teenager what with the radiation - chances are Ruth would have struggled to breast feed (malnutrition, radiation, ptsd etc.). Again it just seems so strange that a baby would survive with all the odds stacked against her.
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** It's possible she might remember something from before the world getting obliterated and so retained that memory for more context as to what's happening. She was a young child at time and it wouldn't be much out of bonds to presume she's been around pregnant people before that.

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** It's possible she might remember something from that, before the world getting obliterated and so retained that memory for more context she died, Ruth did teach her a bit, though, perhaps, Jane did learn a little from observation, as to what's happening. She was a young child at time and it wouldn't be much out of bonds to presume she's been around pregnant people before that.can reproduce (not well, but still).

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!!How come only Ruth's eyes are messed up?



!!Those are SkewedPriorities, y'all.



!!That pregnancy timeline ain't right.



!!Jane post-nukes.



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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "baby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education is far below the level of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "baby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education is far below the level of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.barn.
**It's possible she might remember something from before the world getting obliterated and so retained that memory for more context as to what's happening. She was a young child at time and it wouldn't be much out of bonds to presume she's been around pregnant people before that.

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**It is possible that the radiation could have affected Ruth's daughter. This could explain her English and inability to feel emotions.



* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education is far below the level of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" "baby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education is far below the level of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education levels are is far below those the level of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how does she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the symptoms of pregnancy and the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how dord she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how dord does she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how did she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how did dord she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how did she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watched ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.

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* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how did she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watched watching ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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** Her name is mentioned in the credits (played by Victoria O'Keefe).

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** Her name is mentioned in the credits (played by Victoria O'Keefe).O'Keefe).
* Also, when Jane's about to give birth, it's clear that she knows what is happening since she repeatedly says the words "babby" and "coming". But how did she know? Her education levels are far below those of a pre-war teen like her Aunt Alison, having consisted of little more than watched ropey videocassettes of educational programmes like ''Words and Pictures'' with a "teacher" who just sits mouthing along with the dialogue on the tape and makes no attempt to engage the kids she's meant to be teaching. So presumably Jane's sex education has been essentially non-existent, meaning she wouldn't necessarily associate the signs of labour with her encounter with Gaz and Spike, much less what happened between her and one of the boys in the barn.
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* And how do we know that child's name is Jane, since we never hear another character use it? AllThereInTheManual, such as the script?

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* And how do we know that child's name is Jane, since we never hear another character use it? AllThereInTheManual, such as the script?script?
** Her name is mentioned in the credits (played by Victoria O'Keefe).
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** Assuming that the strategic fuel reserves did survive the war, we can assume that what remained of the military and law enforcement would get most, if not all, of it. The machinery used for the first post-war harvest would then use local supplies from places like farms and rural petrol stations.

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** Assuming that the strategic fuel reserves did survive survived the war, we can assume that what remained of the military and law enforcement would get got most, if not all, of it. The machinery used for the first post-war harvest it: that would then use local explain how they were able to fly helicopters for a bit longer. Local supplies from places like farms and rural petrol stations.stations would have allowed survivors to use machinery in the first post-war harvest.
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** Assuming that the fuel reserves did survive the war, it would be safe to assume that only what remained of the military and law enforcement would be allowed to use them.

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** Assuming that the strategic fuel reserves did survive the war, it would be safe to we can assume that only what remained of the military and law enforcement would be allowed to get most, if not all, of it. The machinery used for the first post-war harvest would then use them.local supplies from places like farms and rural petrol stations.
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** Assuming that the fuel reserves did survive the war, it would be safe to assume that only what remained of the military and law enforcement would be allowed to use them.
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** Watsonian answer: Maybe they felt they were in a position to waste aviation fuel. During the post-strike recovery phase of the 1980 [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg#Recovery Square Leg]] exercise, logs were made of county authorities' requests for military support; in one such instance, Gloucestershire authorities 'requested' assistance for "Ministry of Agriculture officers who have been prevented by [a] hostile crowd from arranging the dispatch of food from a market garden", and the military 'response' to that incident did include a Wessex helicopter. Now, these logs were 'recorded' two months after the 'strike' as opposed to ''Threads''' longer timescale, and in any case Square Leg probably was as ridiculously optimistic as any other nuclear exercise of the period, but the producers of ''this very film'' did supposedly consult the exercise logs to help determine just how bad things would get, so...
**As for Doylistic answers, perhaps the production team momentarily forgot just how bleak their post-strike Sheffield was supposed to be and succumbed to RuleOfCool (insofar as a practically nonexistent government's helicopters hovering over a post-nuclear hellscape can be deemed to be 'cool'), or perhaps a third party's helicopter was close enough to the filming location to be audible and the production team was unable or unwilling to reshoot the sequence, or perhaps they did reshoot the sequence but the take with the accidental helicopter noise proved to be more usable...

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* on the subject of her infant daughter, it’s amazing that she survived into becoming a teenager what with the radiation - chances are Ruth would have struggled to breast feed (malnutrition, radiation, ptsd etc.) again it just seems so strange that a baby would survive with all the odds stacked against her

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* on On the subject of her infant daughter, it’s amazing that she survived into becoming a teenager what with the radiation - chances are Ruth would have struggled to breast feed (malnutrition, radiation, ptsd etc.) again ). Again it just seems so strange that a baby would survive with all the odds stacked against herher.
* And how do we know that child's name is Jane, since we never hear another character use it? AllThereInTheManual, such as the script?
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* There is also a scene set at least a year after the war where one of the characters steals grain from a storage building. We hear a helicopter hovering overhead. Why are the authorities wasting precious fuel on patrolling the air instead of posting guards around the site?

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* There is also a scene set at least a year after the war where one of the characters steals grain from a storage building. We hear a helicopter hovering overhead. Why are the authorities wasting precious fuel on patrolling the air instead of posting guards around the site?site?
* When the bomb fell, Ruth would have been in her first trimester of being pregnant. (The bomb fell in May and her daughter was born in December).The amount of radiation would have most certainly caused her daughter to be born severely deformed or even stillborn. However the movie shows her daughter is born with no deformities and in a healthy condition.
* on the subject of her infant daughter, it’s amazing that she survived into becoming a teenager what with the radiation - chances are Ruth would have struggled to breast feed (malnutrition, radiation, ptsd etc.) again it just seems so strange that a baby would survive with all the odds stacked against her
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** It's likely that most of the apparently elderly people seen towards the end are also YoungerThanTheyLook as a result of prolonged exposure to radiation.
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* When Ruth dies, she appears to be blinded and prematurely aged by intensified solar radiation caused by the destruction of the ozone layer. Why has nobody around her suffered the same affliction?
* There is also a scene set at least a year after the war where one of the characters steals grain from a storage building. We hear a helicopter hovering overhead. Why are the authorities wasting precious fuel on patrolling the air instead of posting guards around the site?

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