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** Probably for the same reasons that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he was about to shoot up the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue charges in lieu of pursuing the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.
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** Probably The show's been heavily criticized for the same reasons its use of HollywoodLaw, but there's a legitimate reason they might not have charged Zach – charging him with aggravated assault or suddenly pivoting to assembling a new theory that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he Bryce's death was about to shoot up accidental looks bad on local police and prosecutors. When a murder investigation is launched, the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue ideal outcome is charges in lieu of pursuing for first- or second-degree murder, ideally a conviction. Charging Zach weakens the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.
case and essentially embarrasses the police force for putting public money, time and resources into their investigation, especially because they'd already named a person of interest.
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** She probably just ran away. IIRC, Justin gave her some of the money he stole from Seth and told her to run away. Seth is probably capable of murder, but I'm not sure that he would have been able to cover it up for this long if he'd killed her.
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** She probably just ran away. IIRC, Justin gave her some of the money he stole from Seth and told her to run away. Seth is probably capable of murder, but I'm not sure that he would have been able to cover it up for this long if he'd killed her.her.
*** Season 4 confirms that she had remained away from Seth but still involved with drugs and eventually died.
* How old is Caleb supposed to be? In the second season he appears to just be a boxing instructor, but it later turns out he owns the gym (and even lives there, on his own – implying that his family doesn't have a part in it). He has the capital to buy out Tony's parents garage by the fourth season as well. In the second and third season it's confirmed that he's definitely beyond high school age, because he says he never went to dances and used to play football. He does not appear to be in college, but is in favour of Tony going to college. Essentially, there's no way he's only a year or two removed from high school if he owns as successful of a gym as he does, and the more years you put between him and Tony, a high school student (albeit one who looks 30), the weirder the dynamic of their relationship starts to seem. Especially because Tony started out as his student.
*** Season 4 confirms that she had remained away from Seth but still involved with drugs and eventually died.
* How old is Caleb supposed to be? In the second season he appears to just be a boxing instructor, but it later turns out he owns the gym (and even lives there, on his own – implying that his family doesn't have a part in it). He has the capital to buy out Tony's parents garage by the fourth season as well. In the second and third season it's confirmed that he's definitely beyond high school age, because he says he never went to dances and used to play football. He does not appear to be in college, but is in favour of Tony going to college. Essentially, there's no way he's only a year or two removed from high school if he owns as successful of a gym as he does, and the more years you put between him and Tony, a high school student (albeit one who looks 30), the weirder the dynamic of their relationship starts to seem. Especially because Tony started out as his student.
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**It's US Federal Law that merely having a gun on school property is a felony (unless you are authorized by the state, such as police or a concealed carry license holder), and even though he's probably a minor during that episode, Tyler could still be charged as an adult.
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* What happened to Justin's mom? Did she run away from Seth or did Seth end up killing her?
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* What happened to Justin's mom? Did she run away from Seth or did Seth end up killing her?her?
** She probably just ran away. IIRC, Justin gave her some of the money he stole from Seth and told her to run away. Seth is probably capable of murder, but I'm not sure that he would have been able to cover it up for this long if he'd killed her.
** She probably just ran away. IIRC, Justin gave her some of the money he stole from Seth and told her to run away. Seth is probably capable of murder, but I'm not sure that he would have been able to cover it up for this long if he'd killed her.
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*** Thank you, that clarified it a bit for me. Though unless Clay, Jessica or Justin tell the police about Tyler pointing the gun at Clay they would never know it happened. I honestly didn't even consider the point about attempted murder but you're definitely right about that. I also think you're right about conviction possibly being difficult - if Tyler never stepped inside the building and pointed the weapon at someone, is it attempted murder? I find that question interesting.
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** Probably for the same reasons that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he was about to shoot up the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue charges in lieu of pursuing the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.
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** Probably for the same reasons that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he was about to shoot up the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue charges in lieu of pursuing the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.killer.
* What happened to Justin's mom? Did she run away from Seth or did Seth end up killing her?
* What happened to Justin's mom? Did she run away from Seth or did Seth end up killing her?
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** If you want to get into specifics, for one, Tyler could be charged with assault with a deadly weapon for simply pointing his rifle at Clay (assault implies a threat, battery is the actual act itself). That alone carries a hefty prison sentence depending on the weapon and the intent, and given Tyler’s intent, it’s 20 years minimum. Also, considering that Tyler went through the every step in the process (formulating a plan, making a suicide note and suicide tape, purchasing ammunition and weapons, and being right on the steps of the place he intended to commit the crime at) short of actually committing the crime, it’s most likely he could be charged with attempted murder (conviction may be difficult depending on circumstances)
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* Why are the police so dismissive of Zach's confession on assaulting Bryce? They just dismiss the confession since Bryce was killed by drowning and not beaten to death, but for all they knew Bryce could have tried to get up and accidentally fell into the water. Hell Zach leaves him there stranded with no way of calling someone since he threw Bryce's phone into the water. Even if He didn't drown he could have froze to death. But the way it plays out Zach doesn't face any jail time or even face charges.
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* Why are the police so dismissive of Zach's confession on assaulting Bryce? They just dismiss the confession since Bryce was killed by drowning and not beaten to death, but for all they knew Bryce could have tried to get up and accidentally fell into the water. Hell Zach leaves him there stranded with no way of calling someone since he threw Bryce's phone into the water. Even if He didn't drown he could have froze to death. But the way it plays out Zach doesn't face any jail time or even face charges.charges.
** Probably for the same reasons that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he was about to shoot up the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue charges in lieu of pursuing the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.
** Probably for the same reasons that they don’t go after Tyler after Ani confesses that he was about to shoot up the school during Spring Fling. They most likely didn’t pursue charges in lieu of pursuing the more pressing dilemma, which was finding Bryce’s killer.
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** Justin explained to Zach that if he called the cops on Tyler, Clay and Tony (and possibly Jess and Justin himself) would also get in trouble. Most of the kids who were on the tapes had become pretty close by that point so they banded together to protect each other, even though some of them (really, just Zach) didn't agree with it.
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* Why did everyone end up protecting Tyler from the authorities during the Spring Fling incident? It makes sense for certain characters to do so (Clay for wanting to avoid a Hannah incident and feeling like he wasn’t their for him, Alex for being the only one who’s friends with him, and maybe Tony for wanting to avoid the cops and observing something happened to him.) However, nobody else had any motivation to keep this a secret from the cops. Zach hated Tyler and thought he was a psychopath. He wasn’t on good terms with Cyrus and his gang. And he literally pointed a gun at Jessica and Justin. Even in the case of Clay and Tony they weren’t particularly close to Tyler. It’s hard to believe that no one turned him with so little time to coordinate a story and the police were already there. Zach especially had the most motivation to do so even if it was the next day.
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* Why did everyone end up protecting Tyler from the authorities during the Spring Fling incident? It makes sense for certain characters to do so (Clay for wanting to avoid a Hannah incident and feeling like he wasn’t their for him, Alex for being the only one who’s friends with him, and maybe Tony for wanting to avoid the cops and observing something happened to him.) However, nobody else had any motivation to keep this a secret from the cops. Zach hated Tyler and thought he was a psychopath. He wasn’t on good terms with Cyrus and his gang. And he literally pointed a gun at Jessica and Justin. Even in the case of Clay and Tony they weren’t particularly close to Tyler. It’s hard to believe that no one turned him with so little time to coordinate a story and the police were already there. Zach especially had the most motivation to do so even if it was the next day.day.
* Why are the police so dismissive of Zach's confession on assaulting Bryce? They just dismiss the confession since Bryce was killed by drowning and not beaten to death, but for all they knew Bryce could have tried to get up and accidentally fell into the water. Hell Zach leaves him there stranded with no way of calling someone since he threw Bryce's phone into the water. Even if He didn't drown he could have froze to death. But the way it plays out Zach doesn't face any jail time or even face charges.
* Why are the police so dismissive of Zach's confession on assaulting Bryce? They just dismiss the confession since Bryce was killed by drowning and not beaten to death, but for all they knew Bryce could have tried to get up and accidentally fell into the water. Hell Zach leaves him there stranded with no way of calling someone since he threw Bryce's phone into the water. Even if He didn't drown he could have froze to death. But the way it plays out Zach doesn't face any jail time or even face charges.
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* One thing confused me about the characters' worry re: Tyler and the spring fling 'false alarm', and I'm not American so my knowledge of the specific laws in various states is limited. What I don't fully understand is what kind of legal trouble Tyler would be in with events having played out the way that they did. Yes he arrived at the dance with the intention of doing ''something'' with those weapons (shooting Monty and those who took part in the assault seems obvious, and with the amount of weapons he brought he presumably intended on shooting others as well) but he never actually went through with it. We cannot know for absolute sure that he would have even without Clay's intervention - he could have found himself unable to go through with it when it came down to the moment. With that in mind, what crime could he actually be charged with? Intending on committing a crime but then not following through with it is, for one thing hard to prove, and for another not a crime in and of itself (at least where I live). Could he be charged with violating gun laws? Are they simply taking artistic license for the sake of drama? Are the characters worrying needlessly due to being high schoolers and not knowing how the legal system works?
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* One thing confused me about the characters' worry re: Tyler and the spring fling 'false alarm', and I'm not American so my knowledge of the specific laws in various states is limited. What I don't fully understand is what kind of legal trouble Tyler would be in with events having played out the way that they did. Yes he arrived at the dance with the intention of doing ''something'' with those weapons (shooting Monty and those who took part in the assault seems obvious, and with the amount of weapons he brought he presumably intended on shooting others as well) but he never actually went through with it. We cannot know for absolute sure that he would have even without Clay's intervention - he could have found himself unable to go through with it when it came down to the moment. With that in mind, what crime could he actually be charged with? Intending on committing a crime but then not following through with it is, for one thing hard to prove, and for another not a crime in and of itself (at least where I live). Could he be charged with violating gun laws? Are they simply taking artistic license for the sake of drama? Are the characters worrying needlessly due to being high schoolers and not knowing how the legal system works?works?
*Why did everyone end up protecting Tyler from the authorities during the Spring Fling incident? It makes sense for certain characters to do so (Clay for wanting to avoid a Hannah incident and feeling like he wasn’t their for him, Alex for being the only one who’s friends with him, and maybe Tony for wanting to avoid the cops and observing something happened to him.) However, nobody else had any motivation to keep this a secret from the cops. Zach hated Tyler and thought he was a psychopath. He wasn’t on good terms with Cyrus and his gang. And he literally pointed a gun at Jessica and Justin. Even in the case of Clay and Tony they weren’t particularly close to Tyler. It’s hard to believe that no one turned him with so little time to coordinate a story and the police were already there. Zach especially had the most motivation to do so even if it was the next day.
*Why did everyone end up protecting Tyler from the authorities during the Spring Fling incident? It makes sense for certain characters to do so (Clay for wanting to avoid a Hannah incident and feeling like he wasn’t their for him, Alex for being the only one who’s friends with him, and maybe Tony for wanting to avoid the cops and observing something happened to him.) However, nobody else had any motivation to keep this a secret from the cops. Zach hated Tyler and thought he was a psychopath. He wasn’t on good terms with Cyrus and his gang. And he literally pointed a gun at Jessica and Justin. Even in the case of Clay and Tony they weren’t particularly close to Tyler. It’s hard to believe that no one turned him with so little time to coordinate a story and the police were already there. Zach especially had the most motivation to do so even if it was the next day.
