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** The military is more then just soldiers, employing an absolute ton of bureaucrats to keep supplies where they need to be and assure soldiers are paid is a necessity. From what we see the building had a security force of civilian guards as well as soldiers that Neo and Trinity cut off from accessing their location by destroying the elevator.
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** By acknowledging that the alternative is humanity being eternally enslaved by the machines. That this is a war and whether they realize it or not those bystanders are helping the machines keep humanity prisoner. Yes killing bystanders who don't realize what they're helping perpetuate is distasteful but what price would you pay for freedom for otherwise eternal slavery? If you think this is too much then that's fair, Neo and Trinity think a few lives lost tragically in the fighting is acceptable.
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* An alternative possible take on this is that Agent Smith's behavior and eventual corruption is a symptom of the impending crash of the Matrix along with the death of everyone inside. Up until Neo's birth Agent Smith was just a normal program doing it's job, but as the system calculated Neo's potential threat to the system only to get back an overflow error it started direction more resources and processing power to Smith in an attempt to counter balance the infinite possible threat. This caused Smith to develop a more complex personality then he was supposed to have, extra resources that could be dedicated to feelings, and to develop a hatred from his job paired with his programmed inescapable need to perform that job. That's why as the series goes on he gets more and more powerful in opposition to Neo, that Neo is an effectively infinite threat to the system causes it to give Smith infinite leeway to break the rules.
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*** Alternatively since security and secrecy weren't a concern, the Agents were letting him come and go as part of the deal, he set up an exit in a discreet location then simply left it ready to go whenever he was done with his business. He is the night shift operator so unless someone randomly gets up and goes down to the hacker bay he isn't going to be interrupted. So long as he keeps the meeting brief only taking the time to talk while he eats his imaginary steak Cypher could be back out before anyone notices.
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* In the event of self-substantiation, the rare event of someone freeing themselves like the Kid, the Red Pill leaves behind a seemingly deceased body. In a normal extraction they simply disappear entirely and their disappearance is not typically explained with their disappearance being officially unsolved. If anyone pushes because the Red Pill reappeared in the company of Zionites a story of them being recruited and radicalized by terrorists, like what the Matrix residents think of Morpheus, is made public.
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** The Matrix might know where he is at any given point, in the sense that his XYZ coordinates are in the code somewhere, but the Agents explicitly don't have access to that information - they're limited by a "world that has rules". They aren't aware of information they don't *hear* through their earpieces. So if they want to track him, they need to put an in-universe tracker on him. "But this seems rather limiting" you might ask, "aren't they basically putting the Agents in the same cage as the humans?" Why yes, and Smith agrees quite strongly.
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** The code we are shown running in that scene is a tracking program that narrows down the phone being used - the same program we saw in the movie's opening moments, which is clearly identified as such by Trinity and Cipher's opening conversation; it's why the police and Agents show up to capture her at that moment. "SYSTEM FAILURE" is Neo outright interrupting that program using his new One powers while still speaking to the Machines on a phone he knows they can hear.
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** Also, don't forget that it's really only been 100 years since the start of this particular cycle of the war. As mentioned there have been previous versions of the Matrix and other Ones and wars but, critically, Morpheus isn't aware of that. Nobody is until Neo meets with the Architect later in the movie. Morpheus believes that the AI taking over the world and Zion's resistance is concurrent, so from his perspective he thinks it's "closer to 2199". If the other versions of the Matrix had a similar runtime then it's more likely to be nearer 2699.

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** Also, don't forget that it's really only been 100 years since the start of this particular cycle of the war. As mentioned there have been previous versions of the Matrix and other Ones and wars but, critically, Morpheus isn't aware of that. Nobody is until Neo meets with the Architect later in the movie. Morpheus believes that the AI taking over the world and Zion's resistance is concurrent, happened consecutively, so from his perspective he thinks it's "closer to 2199". If the other versions of the Matrix had a similar runtime then it's more likely to be nearer 2699.
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**Also, don't forget that it's really only been 100 years since the start of this particular cycle of the war. As mentioned there have been previous versions of the Matrix and other Ones and wars but, critically, Morpheus isn't aware of that. Nobody is until Neo meets with the Architect later in the movie. Morpheus believes that the AI taking over the world and Zion's resistance is concurrent, so from his perspective he thinks it's "closer to 2199". If the other versions of the Matrix had a similar runtime then it's more likely to be nearer 2699.
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--> Fate II: He's returned into the Matrix and is [[IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream forced to spend the rest of his life with that niggling sensation of what's real or not.]]

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--> Fate II: He's returned into the Matrix and is [[IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream [[AndIMustScream forced to spend the rest of his life with that niggling sensation of what's real or not.]]
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*** The precise quote: "The Matrix is a system, Neo; that system is our enemy. But look around you, what do you see? [[AcceptableTargets Teachers; lawyers; carpenters]] - the very minds of the people we are trying to save. Understand, Neo, that most of these people are not yet ready to be unplugged. And some of them are so inert, so helplessly dependent on the system, that they will die to protect it. ... It's another training program designed to teach you only one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them [agents] ... in the Matrix, they are everyone, and they are no one."

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*** The precise quote: "The Matrix is a system, Neo; that system is our enemy. But look around you, what do you see? [[AcceptableTargets Teachers; see?Teachers; lawyers; carpenters]] carpenters - the very minds of the people we are trying to save. Understand, Neo, that most of these people are not yet ready to be unplugged. And some of them are so inert, so helplessly dependent on the system, that they will die to protect it. ... It's another training program designed to teach you only one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them [agents] ... in the Matrix, they are everyone, and they are no one."
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** I'm confused by this comment. I (DrDingleDangle) literally have no problem imagining people I know. I never forget a face though. Are other people not like this?

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** *** I'm confused by this comment. I (DrDingleDangle) literally have no problem imagining people I know. know but I also never forget a face though.face. Are other people not like this?
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** I'm confused by this comment. I (DrDingleDangle) literally have no problem imagining people I know. I never forget a face though. Are other people not like this?
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just saying "no" to someone's remark without any explanation or reason is bad etiquette and belongs in a forum not on a tv tropes page.


*** "the symbolism and philosophical bent of the films doesn't really add anything to the experience" Yes. It. Does. "smeared over the top of pre-existing themes"? That's grade-A nonsense.

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