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** [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Revolver Ocelot would like a word with you (or Warren)]]. These bandits are very devious, and they should have planned for this, otherwise the opposing faction easily has them dead to rights (and did, as Jody gets his brains blown out).
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** Maybe the initial plan was just to lie in ambush and attack as soon as John Ruth would be passing the haberdashery (it is on the road, after all)? If there was no other place near the road where they could lie for hours unnoticed by anyone it is actually kinda smart.
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** Maybe the initial plan was just to lie in ambush and attack as soon as John Ruth would be passing the haberdashery (it is on the road, after all)? If there was no other place near the road where they could lie for hours unnoticed by anyone it is actually kinda smart. And once the blizzard started it became obvious that Ruth WILL stop at Minnie's.
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** Maybe the initial plan was just to lie in ambush and attack as soon as John Ruth would be passing the haberdashery (it is on the road, after all)? If there was no other place near the road where they could lie unnoticed by anyone for hours it is actually kinda smart.
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** Maybe the initial plan was just to lie in ambush and attack as soon as John Ruth would be passing the haberdashery (it is on the road, after all)? If there was no other place near the road where they could lie for hours unnoticed by anyone for hours it is actually kinda smart.
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** Maybe the initial plan was just to lie in ambush and attack as soon as John Ruth would be passing the haberdashery (it is on the road, after all)? If there was no other place near the road where they could lie unnoticed by anyone for hours it is actually kinda smart.
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[[folder: Jody's Plan]]
* Jody and his gang go to Minnies Haberdashery in order to stage an ambush on John Ruth. They have fake identities, backstories, hidden weapons, all in preparation for when John Ruth will stop there... except how did they know he would? The only reason John DID stop there is because of the blizzard, which began several hours AFTER Jody and his gang arrived at Minnies. They couldn't have known about the blizzard beforehand, meaning that for all they knew, John would have kept going to Red Rock.
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* Jody and his gang go to Minnies Haberdashery in order to stage an ambush on John Ruth. They have fake identities, backstories, hidden weapons, all in preparation for when John Ruth will stop there... except how did they know he would? The only reason John DID stop there is because of the blizzard, which began several hours AFTER Jody and his gang arrived at Minnies. They couldn't have known about the blizzard beforehand, meaning that for all they knew, John would have kept going to Red Rock.
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[[folder: The General Staying at the Haberdashery]]
* So we know that General Smithers was staying at Minnie's waiting for a ride to Red Rock to advice the stone masonry of his son's tombstone, but during the flashback to before Mannix and the bounty hunters arrived, Charlie complained to Ed and Judy that he'd been there for three days already, and even Minnie was losing her patience on him leaving. So, why did he not have a ride out to Red Rock those three days?
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* So we know that General Smithers was staying at Minnie's waiting for a ride to Red Rock to advice the stone masonry of his son's tombstone, but during the flashback to before Mannix and the bounty hunters arrived, Charlie complained to Ed and Judy that he'd been there for three days already, and even Minnie was losing her patience on him leaving. So, why did he not have a ride out to Red Rock those three days?
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*** Charlie probably wouldn't have been able to get far anyway, since he probably didn't know how to drive a six-horse team, and the others would've stopped him before he could escape on another horse. Furthermore, by the time John Ruth had arrived, the other three already had most of their weapons taken from them, and there was only one hidden pistol to use. Jody probably didn't have a lot of room to move around in the basement, so he would've had to wait for Warren or Mannix to get directly above him to actually act. As Warren himself said, the gang wasn't counting on either Warren or Mannix to arrive at the haberdashery, so if they tried to make a move against John, either Warren or Mannix would've acted. So their options were rather limited by that point.
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** Warren's a seasoned bounty hunter who's probably been in more than a few standoffs. He expects Jody to have a second pistol because he's used to gunfighters carrying two pistols, but having a third pistol probably seems rare or excessive.
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** I think like six horses Judi, it shows the start of a more heterogeneous era. Minnie's haberdashery is owned by a black woman married to a white man who greets even Confederate and Mexican (though she was said to be racist by Warren) to rest. There is still a lot of hate from all sides but when it comes down to it, Ruth let Mannix in his ride, Mannix support Warren and Daisy get treated the same way any other bounty would be treated. Difference is not as important anymore.
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** I think like six horses Judi, it shows the start of a more heterogeneous era. Minnie's haberdashery is owned by a black woman married to a white man who greets even Confederate Confederates and Mexican Mexicans (though she was said to be racist by Warren) to rest. There is still a lot of hate from all sides but when it comes down to it, Ruth let Mannix in his ride, Mannix support supports Warren and Daisy get treated the same way any other bounty would be treated. Difference is not as important anymore.
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** In retrospect, it's one of those little details that tells you a lot about a character (in this case, Mannix). Warren is a black man in the 1870s; if Mannix wanted Warren to hang, he wouldn't have any trouble getting a judge and jury to lend an ear. That he accepts the outcome, even though he's very sympathetic to Smithers on a personal level, really shows how principled he is, and how good a sheriff he would've been if he'd gotten the chance.
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**** It was a debate, not a vote. Ruth was presumably arguing Warren's side, and quite frankly the law IS on Warren's side, Mobray couldn't have pushed for Warren's arrest without possibly compromising his cover. As said above, nobody actually believes the story and Mannix himself openly said that Warren was a liar just trying to goad the General into going for the gun and giving him legal cause to kill him. In fact, the General tried to do EXACTLY what Mobray told Warren he couldn't legally do earlier - shoot somebody because they didn't like what they said. Warren shooting him was legal (if arguably morally wrong).
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** Because despite the 'intellectual' and wordy veneer, Jody frankly doesn't seem to be particularly smart - he probably simply forgot about him. During the entire extended movie, Jody passed up a LOT of relatively good opportunities to spring the trap such as when Ruth uncuffed Daisy and was all the way on the other side of the room. Instead he waited until Ruth disarmed his entire crew, killed Marco, and Warren had them literally standing up against the wall with guns pointed at them to FINALLY act - and that something was to take a single shot at Warren through the floorboards and sit in the basement until they called him up with guns pointed at them. To be blunt, Jody is an idiot through the entire movie.
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** Debatable. John Ruth is big and heavy, and it took a LOT of effort by Daisy to just move him a few feet to get the machete, she obviously thought it would have taken too long to go for the gun with Ruth still attached, and given how quickly she got through his arm with the machete, you can't conclusively say that what she did was the wrong choice.
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[[folder: Poor Prioritizing Kills?]]
* Wouldn't it be better for Daisy to get the gun before chopping off John Ruth's arm?
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* Wouldn't it be better for Daisy to get the gun before chopping off John Ruth's arm?
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** Also, we see that Jody explicitly instructs them to play the patience game - and if it's his way while dealing with John Ruth alone, It should be all the more so when it turns out that Mannix and Warren are also there. Not to mention that the gang might just be afraid to disobey Jody, even with the best intentions.
