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** This is answered(kind of) in season 3 , as there hadn't been any human has gotten into the Good Place in 521 years. (circa. 2018) , and Portland Trail Blazers only been exist for 51 years (circa. 2021).....So no matter how you slice it , EVERY member of Portland Trail Blazers are in The Bad Place (for the moment) , as non of them can was even born before the LAST person who got into The Good Place was dead.)
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** This is answered(kind of) in season 3 , as there hadn't been any human has gotten into the Good Place in 521 years. (circa. 2018) , and Portland Trail Blazers only been exist for 51 years (circa. 2021).....So no matter how you slice it , EVERY member of Portland Trail Blazers are in The Bad Place (for the moment) , as non none of them can was even born before the LAST person who got into The Good Place was dead.)
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* So, Michael and all the other demons are wearing skin suits, which are basically just costumes they use to better grasp how the human body works so they can most effectively torture it. Okay, that makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is...why do they wear these suits, like, all the time? Even when they're in the demon headquarters, a place where there would be no humans in sight and they're exclusively in the presence of other demons, they still wear the suits. Based on a few comments the demons make, skin suits are rather uncomfortable to wear, at least at first. Todd the lava monster and Lance the slug are shown not wearing their suits, and they're treated incredibly casually, so there doesn't seem to be any recommendation or obligation that a demon can't be in their natural form. Obviously the meta explanation is that the budget can't afford to have a bunch of fire squids and acid snakes everywhere, but is there any in-universe reason?
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* So, Michael and all the other demons are wearing skin suits, which are basically just costumes they use to better grasp how the human body works so they can most effectively torture it. Okay, that makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is...why do they wear these suits, like, all the time? Even when they're in the demon headquarters, a place where there would be no humans in sight and they're exclusively in the presence of other demons, they still wear the suits. Based on a few comments the demons make, skin suits are rather uncomfortable to wear, at least at first. Todd the lava monster and Lance the slug are shown not wearing their suits, and they're treated incredibly casually, so there doesn't seem to be any recommendation or obligation that a demon can't be in their natural form. Obviously the meta explanation is that the budget can't afford to have a bunch of fire squids and acid snakes everywhere, but is there any in-universe reason?
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** And no offense to William Jackson Harper, but Chidi's "French" in the season 2 finale corresponds to no existing real-life dialect, European, African, North American or otherwise; it's painfully obviously "American speaking French as a second language."
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Chidi went to Simone to seek answers for his condition. She sticks him in an MRI and finds that brain of his part is red hot. Great! Why was that end of it? Simone should said get out of my office and get some damn treatment. She's in neuroscience, she should know full well where her job starts and ends. I understand that Simone herself couldn't be one as they can't have a relationship at that point ethically, but I still don't know why this was never brought up when it's clear Chidi is profoundly mentally ill.
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** [[ApathyKilledTheCat This is likely why we only saw the introduction from Eleanor's perspective]]. Her primary question wasn't "where is God and what does that mean for the nature of the cosmos" but simply "who was ''right''" (basically the same question but with a less useful answer). Chidi is implied to have asked these questions; he lists a number of important cosmological questions that you can ask Janet, which he presumably asked. Again though, Eleanor doesn't care enough.
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* For a series set ''in the afterlife'', isn't it a "little" weird that no one asks if God is real or [[HaveYouSeenMyGod where he is, as he seemingly isn't in the Good Place?]] You'd think this would be most people's first question. Even if they were atheists, they would probably think something along the lines of "I guess the afterlife is real after all. Does that mean God is real too?"
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* For a series set ''in the afterlife'', isn't it a "little" weird that no one asks if God is real or [[HaveYouSeenMyGod where he is, as he seemingly isn't in the Good Place?]] You'd think this would be most people's first question. Even if they were atheists, they would probably think something along the lines of "I guess the afterlife is real after all. Does that mean God is real too?"
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*** The idea that it was supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternally'' torturing them is ultimately pointless beyond causing pain and suffering, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has ever escaped the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternally'' torturing them is ultimately pointless beyond causing pain and suffering, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has ever escaped the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows and humans on earth don’t even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternally'' torturing them is ultimately pointless beyond causing pain and suffering, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has ever escaped the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows and humans on earth don’t even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternally torturing'' them is ultimately pointless beyond causing pain, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has been able to escape the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens inside not do any humans on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternally torturing'' ''eternally'' torturing them is ultimately pointless beyond causing pain, pain and suffering, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has been able to escape ever escaped the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens inside not do any and humans on earth don’t even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has ever left the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as supposed to be a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment ''eternally torturing'' them is itself ultimately pointless as beyond causing pain, punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson so they learn to improve or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since no human has ever left been able to escape the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one inside not do any humans on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the no humans ever leave the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the no humans human has ever leave left the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the no humans ever leave the bad place and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the no humans ever leave the bad place prior to the events of the series and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the torture never ends and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish since the torture never ends no humans ever leave the bad place and no one outside the bad place knows what happens and no one on earth even knows it exists.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything if it never ends and there is no end goal.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as it punishments are normally intended to teach someone a lesson or to deter others from doing bad things, which the bad place doesn’t accomplish anything if it since the torture never ends and there is no end goal.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything if it never ends and there is no end goal.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything if it never ends and there is no end goal.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as the punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything if it never ends.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as a the punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it I can understand, makes sense, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as a punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people who deserve it I can understand, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as a punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything.
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*** The idea that it was designed as a punishment for bad people I can understand, but what doesn’t make sense is that ''eternal torture'' as a punishment is itself pointless as it doesn’t accomplish anything.
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** In Season 4, Glenn states that it was his belief that everyone who wound up in The Bad Place was truly deserving of their torture - it was designed to be a ''punishment'' for being a terrible person.
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[[folder: Why wasn't Chidi referred to a psychiatrist?]]
Chidi went to Simone to seek answers for his condition. She sticks him in an MRI and finds that brain of his part is red hot. Great! Why was that end of it? Simone should said get out of my office and get some damn treatment. She's in neuroscience, she should know full well where her job starts and ends. I understand that Simone herself couldn't be one as they can't have a relationship at that point ethically, but I still don't know why this was never brought up when it's clear Chidi is profoundly mentally ill.
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Chidi went to Simone to seek answers for his condition. She sticks him in an MRI and finds that brain of his part is red hot. Great! Why was that end of it? Simone should said get out of my office and get some damn treatment. She's in neuroscience, she should know full well where her job starts and ends. I understand that Simone herself couldn't be one as they can't have a relationship at that point ethically, but I still don't know why this was never brought up when it's clear Chidi is profoundly mentally ill.
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the whole moral/philosophical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to humans when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having humans that failed to get enough points simply destroyed? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the whole moral/philosophical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to humans when they die, what What was the point of having a bad place instead of having humans that failed to get enough points simply destroyed? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the whole moral/philosophical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to humans when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having humans that failed to get enough points just unmade or simply destroyed? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the whole ethical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to those when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having those humans unmade or destroyed? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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[[folder: What is the point of Why have a bad place?]]
* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the wholeethical moral/philosophical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to those humans when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having those humans unmade or destroyed? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place. Ignoring the whole
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place with the majority having not managed to get to enough points to get into the good place. Ignoring the whole ethical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to humans when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having humans unmade? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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* Before the main characters end up changing the whole afterlife points system and proving that no human is unredeemable, it is established that humans are sent to either the good or bad place with the majority having not managed to get to enough points to get into the good place. Ignoring the whole ethical question of why the afterlife beings have the right to control what happens to humans when they die, what was the point of having a bad place instead of having humans unmade? Why have humans sent to be eternally tortured if there is no endgame?
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* At the end of the show the main characters manage to improve the point system and the management of the afterlife, however since it’s likely even with the new system not everyone is going to get to the Good place, why have those unredeemable humans tortured for eternity by the Bad Place? That seems like a needlessly cruel fate even for those that don’t deserve to get to the Good place. Why not just have them uncreated or destroyed rather than have them forced to exist in eternal suffering?.
** I thought it was clear that the central message of that arc was that there were no irredeemable humans; no one will ever get tortured again because all the bad-place demons will just keep putting people through scenarios to improve them until they improve.
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* At the end of the show the main characters manage to improve the point system and the management of the afterlife, however since it’s likely even with the new system not everyone is going to get to the Good place, why have those unredeemable humans tortured for eternity by the Bad Place? That seems like a needlessly cruel fate even for those that don’t deserve to get to the Good place. Why not just have them uncreated or destroyed rather than have them forced to exist in eternal suffering?.
** I thought it was clear that the central message of that arc was that there were no irredeemable humans; no one will ever get tortured again because all the bad-place demons will just keep putting people through scenarios to improve them until they improve.
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** I thought it was clear that the central message of that arc was that there were no irredeemable humans; no one will ever get tortured again because all the bad-place demons will just keep putting people through scenarios to improve them until they improve.
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