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*** its been shown that language can affect a person's perceptions of the world around them, if nobody ever learns the name of colors then they are effectivly colorblind. it was also shown that the Reciever learns colors, or at least their names, through the Giver.
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* If there are several light-eyed children per generation (Jonas and a female Seven if I recall correctly, for example) who are only a few years apart and not timed to be the next Receiver, does that mean that they're just hoping one will come along at the right time? What happens to others with light eyes who aren't selected? I'm imagining they're like Muggle-born wizards who are never told about their power and can do things people can't explain, since no one seems to know exactly what the Giver/Receiver can do.
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* If there are several light-eyed children per generation (Jonas and a female Seven if I recall correctly, for example) who are only a few years apart and not timed to be the next Receiver, does that mean that they're just hoping one will come along at the right time? What happens to others with light eyes who aren't selected? I'm imagining they're like Muggle-born wizards who are never told about their power and can do things people can't explain, since no one seems to know exactly what the Giver/Receiver can
** Cases like the female Seven are probably seen as "backup" (so if say, Jonas hadn't turned out right, she'd be selected as the next Receiver instead). I don't think it meant that she'd be chosen as Jonas's successor, or something like that. The idea of the "extras" simply not being told makes the most sense to me, though it does make for some great FanficFuel to imagine what their lives would be like.
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** If it was really necessary to distinguish "blue" eyes from other sorts of "light" ones - say, if ''only'' truly blue-eyed people are potential Receivers and gray-eyed ones won't do - they could always use an optical spectrometer to check the eye color's wavelength. It'd report a number that would match that of other blue eyes, even if the person using the device can't see the distinction.
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** If it was really necessary to distinguish "blue" eyes from other sorts of "light" ones - say, if ''only'' truly blue-eyed people are potential Receivers and gray-eyed ones won't do - they could always use an optical spectrometer to check the eye color's wavelength. It'd report a number that would match that of other blue eyes, even if the person using the device can't see the distinction.distinction.
** I'm now imagining someone with "light" eyes, say green accidentally getting Selected as the Receiver who doesn't actually have the power to See Beyond.
* If there are several light-eyed children per generation (Jonas and a female Seven if I recall correctly, for example) who are only a few years apart and not timed to be the next Receiver, does that mean that they're just hoping one will come along at the right time? What happens to others with light eyes who aren't selected? I'm imagining they're like Muggle-born wizards who are never told about their power and can do things people can't explain, since no one seems to know exactly what the Giver/Receiver can do.
** I'm now imagining someone with "light" eyes, say green accidentally getting Selected as the Receiver who doesn't actually have the power to See Beyond.
* If there are several light-eyed children per generation (Jonas and a female Seven if I recall correctly, for example) who are only a few years apart and not timed to be the next Receiver, does that mean that they're just hoping one will come along at the right time? What happens to others with light eyes who aren't selected? I'm imagining they're like Muggle-born wizards who are never told about their power and can do things people can't explain, since no one seems to know exactly what the Giver/Receiver can do.
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*** Maybe we can take this one step further. What if the original receiver received his gift from the TradeMaster? The deal being in exchange for taking the memories, he must always stay in the community. Sounds like a deal he would make.
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*** Maybe we can take this one step further. What if the original receiver received his gift from the TradeMaster? Trademaster? The deal being in exchange for taking the memories, he must always stay in the community. Sounds like a deal he would make.
*** Honestly if we add the notion the community in the Giver was set up all from a deal by the Trademaster, we've given Lois Lowry a very good story for a prequel.
*** Honestly if we add the notion the community in the Giver was set up all from a deal by the Trademaster, we've given Lois Lowry a very good story for a prequel.
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*** Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.
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*** Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.Thanks.
** If it was really necessary to distinguish "blue" eyes from other sorts of "light" ones - say, if ''only'' truly blue-eyed people are potential Receivers and gray-eyed ones won't do - they could always use an optical spectrometer to check the eye color's wavelength. It'd report a number that would match that of other blue eyes, even if the person using the device can't see the distinction.
** If it was really necessary to distinguish "blue" eyes from other sorts of "light" ones - say, if ''only'' truly blue-eyed people are potential Receivers and gray-eyed ones won't do - they could always use an optical spectrometer to check the eye color's wavelength. It'd report a number that would match that of other blue eyes, even if the person using the device can't see the distinction.
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** None of which explains why, if twins looking too much alike is the problem, they couldn't just give each baby a different nose-job or whatever, then never tell their respective family units that they were twins. It's not as if the kids in different units aren't going to look alike from time to time anyway, due to sharing the same birthmother or sperm donor; so long as there's ''some'' distinguishing trait, it'd be fine.
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*** Giving birth, in itself, is going to flood the body with more oxytocin than a ''week's'' worth of nursing would pump out. Most likely the birthmothers are kept semi-sedated for delivery, then given an oxytocin-inhibitor to quash any lingering emotional effects.
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** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of the {{Utopia}}, but the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want to live.
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!
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** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of the {{Utopia}}, but the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want to live.
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!
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** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of Presumably the {{Utopia}}, but birthmothers' artificial insemination is timed to avoid births that fall too near the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want year's end to live.
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** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found
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** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.
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** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.him.
***Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.
***Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.
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*** With they way the gifts are described in the sequels, though, the above guess does make a bit more sense. Jonas being able to tell how things "should" look fits in well with how his "seeing beyond" was expanded in later books, in my opinion.
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** It would make a lot more sense if birth mothers were birth mothers for more than 3 years. the longer they stay birth mothers, the less new birth mothers you need every year. If it were for say ten years, only 5 new birth mothers are needed per year.
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*** So, I'd guess it's possible that Birthmothers having children before 15 isn't ''common'', but certainly ''happens'' more than we'd be led to believe. 12 is unlikely, but 13 may even be possible for some of them.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white; someone who cannot physically notice or perceive it? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white; someone who cannot physically notice or perceive it? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.appreciated.
** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.
** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.
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** The airforce is to blow up plane going the wrong way by accident or losing controls (no one understand murder so they'll just think the pilot vanished)there seems to be however some memory lingering giving birthmothers has some stigma going on and people don't like hearing the word release used lightly despite not knowing what is so bad about being released.
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** It's really simple: You ask 40 guys to stop taking the pill when they come to work, ask them to jerk and with that you have generation of samples right there. Then you ask them to not tell anyone about it and take back the pill. They have camera everywhere they'll know if the guy decide to jerk again and give him a release warning.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white? white; someone who cannot physically notice or perceive it? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white? Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here and there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here and or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Again, it's been a long time since I read it, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white? Again, it's been a long time since I read it, it and I might be missing a note here and there, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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** This is still unknown because within all the books where the sperm for babies comes from is never addressed. It's possible the Receiver is selected as a sperm doner with hopes he will pass on his gift to another future receiver?
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** This is still unknown because within all the books where the sperm for babies comes from is never addressed. It's possible the Receiver is selected as a sperm doner with hopes he will pass on his gift to another future receiver?receiver?
* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Again, it's been a long time since I read it, so any explanation is very appreciated.
* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to that conclusion? Again, it's been a long time since I read it, so any explanation is very appreciated.
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*** Simple: make the movie in "stylistic black and white"(like TheElephantMan or SchindlersList) and then reveal that's actually how the people see it, and not just a presentation fancy.
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*** Simple: make the movie in "stylistic black and white"(like TheElephantMan white" (like ''Film/TheElephantMan'' or SchindlersList) ''Film/SchindlersList'') and then reveal that's actually how the people see it, and not just a presentation fancy.
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** Syringes are quite small and thin. (Think of the ones for vaccines.) Doctors inject those things really fast. It's not a stretch to think that Rosemary asked the Releaser where to stick the needle, and then just quickly emptied it in herself before succumbing after a while.
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*** This. The book makes this a bit more clear. Presumably, from the Giver and the previous Giver, and back and back and back, the Givers would always succeed in passing all the memories to the next Receiver, so when they were Released, no memories were spread to the Community. Rosemary was the first Receiver who asked to be Released (i.e. commit suicide). Until then, nobody knew what would happen if the Receiver had died or went beyond the boundaries.
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*** Maybe we can take this one step further. What if the original receiver received his gift from the TradeMaster? The deal being in exchange for taking the memories, he must always stay in the community. Sounds like a deal he would make.
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*** This troper read this around fifth grade. Around 5th grade is also when this troper started her period. This troper understood hormones in fifth grade because they wreaked hell on her life each month.
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*** Not waiting the proper amount of time between pregnancies also puts both the pregnant person and the child at risk. I believe doctors actually recommend about a year between pregnancies. It takes that long for your body to recover, and restore your depleted resources (as a fetus will use whatever it needs from your body during pregnancy, even at the detriment of your body).
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* If there are only 50 babies born per year who get assigned to parents and they're assigned the year they were born, how are the ones born toward the end of the year screened in case they don't fit into the Community like Gabe and are they then Released after being given to a family? And if, like Gabe a baby is not Assigned to due issues, does a family not get their child that year?
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**Answered in ''Son'': a healthy diet didn't include mammal, so they're gone, animals detracted from the efficiency of the community, and there's no need for pets because nobody is lonely in the Community.
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** This was a real thinker, as the Community clearly uses noises for public announcements. It has to lead back into emotional response to music: we enjoy it because of the emotions music brings. If there is no emotional connection, it just sounds like noise.
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** In a society this teeth-grindingly polite, it is a safe bet that knocking before opening the door is ingrained early in life.
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** The curriculum includes language and communications, commerce and industry, science and technology, and civil procedures and government.
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** This troper's too old to have read ''The Giver'' in school, but in my day we were reading ''Literature/LordOfTheFlies'' by grade 6. ''Giver'' is rainbows and lollipops by comparison.
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*** Or it's done while the man in question is under anesthesia. The relevant reflexes are all autonomic and couldn't care less if he's actually awake or not.
