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* So how did Luke get up to the penthouse floor of Midland Circle and know that he was to go that specific floor when he arrived (as Matt and Jessica had the benefit of Matt hearing the gunshots from Danny disarming the "secretary")?
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**Because his street cred gets him a long ways.
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[[folder:How is Turk Barrett still in business?]]
* Seriously, by now his HonestJohnsDealership should be common knowledge. Hell, given that he screwed people like John Healy over in the past, I wonder why he is still BREATHING.
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** Did Colleen even know the Hand had no more of the revival substance?
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* Gao implies that the collapse of the ground will take a while, and that the Hand will be long gone before it happens. The Defenders, their allies AND the NYPD know exactly what's going on under Midland Circle. Even if the Hand escapes with their prize, all it takes is for one person to alert the local authorities and have specialists sent down there to minimize the damage. People have been mining for thousands of years; stabilizing a small cave (or at the very ''least'' evacuating the affected area and bringing the death toll to zero) should be perfectly straightforward. You can either have the Hand being crushed while they mine, or have them getting away while people plug up the damage; you can't have both.
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** A little bit of false advertising, but it also seems that the Hand, the Chaste, and K'un Lun are a little out of touch with the times (understandable, considering how old they all are). To them, the Black Sky and the Iron Fist are the most powerful things in existence, because for the last few centuries, they were the most powerful beings that they knew of. Now, with the rise of groups like the Avengers, the Black Sky and Iron Fist aren't nearly as powerful in comparison, but the Hand hasn't really grasped that yet (and now it's likely they never will). Hell, in the series itself, Jessica and Luke were clearly a bit of an OCP for the Hand and Black Sky to deal with.


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** I'm pretty sure she was lying to goad him into using the Iron Fist. That was the whole reason they had Danny alive; to break the barrier to the dragon skeleton, which they needed the Iron Fist to do.
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** It's not the dragon skeleton holding it up, it would be the sudden removal of a lot of the earth below the city, potentially creating an apocalyptic-sized sinkhole.
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* What, is there a dragon skeleton somehow preventing every city from collapsing? How did they get there, and why were cities built over them? And if Alexandra was just generally talking about destroying cities then it's an overambitious statement, considering that their only stated accomplishments were Pompeii (2000 years ago) and Chernobyl (which killed only 31 people). With their reliance on business and enterprise, why would the Hand even attempt to destroy cities anyway?
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* Gao implies that the collapse of the ground will take a while, and that the Hand will be long gone before it happens. The Defenders, their allies AND the NYPD know exactly what's going on under Midland Circle. Even if the Hand escapes with their prize, all it takes is for one person to alert the local authorities and have specialists sent down there to minimize the damage. People have been mining for thousands of years; stabilizing a small cave (or at the very ''least'' evacuating the affected area and bringing the death toll to zero) should be perfectly straightforward. You can either have the Hand being crushed while they mine, or have them getting away while people plug up the damage; you can't have both.

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** It still just equates to 'powerful warrior', and a disloyal one at that. Certainly a threat, but nothing like the doomsday weapon we were promised. Most of the Hand leadership seem to think Elektra is superfluous and not worth the effort, and she gets beaten by the Defenders in their final fight. So was the Black Sky just a massive case of false advertising?


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** Fair point, but it still would've taken a lot of the wind out his sails if Colleen had given him a condescending look and come back with "No, if I cut off your head, with ''this sword'' you die for good. Moron."
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** Maybe they're leaving some stuff open for a next season. It could even be related to how Matt ended up in the surface after the building collapsed.
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[[folder:Elektra slaughtered K'un Lun?]]
* In episode 7, she tells Danny that she was the one who massacred the residents of K'un Lun. But....how and why? The Fingers of the Hand made it clear that their goal was to return to the city, not destroy it. Elektra is into psychological warfare, but what reason would she have to lie? It's not as if she knew Danny had tried to visit the city. And even if they're not in possession of the Iron Fist, that's still a city of martial arts masters. Elektra is good, but no way she could slaughter hundreds if not thousands, if she's telling the truth.
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[[folder:Portal to K'un Lun]]
* Related to the "Elektra slaughtered K'un Lun?" question, each Finger of the Hand implies that what's under Midland Circle will help them return to K'un Lun. It's eventually revealed to be a dragon skeleton that will help them with their resurrection, but no mention of returning to the city is added to it. The way it's discussed (such as calling it a door), and the fact that K'un Lun has vanished, implied it was a portal. Did the writers just forget?
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** Gao seems to imply that it would take a while to actually collapse, the Hand may have had enough time to scrub any trace of their involvment before it happened.

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** Gao seems to imply that it would take a while to actually collapse, the Hand may have had enough time to scrub any trace of their involvment involvement before it happened.
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** Don't forget that Alexandra was rushing things. Presumably they normally would have done the whole process over several years.



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** See above. Gao implies that the collapse would take a while. They'd have more than enough time to leave.

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* Apparently the Black Sky is the hand's equivalent to the Iron Fist. As we see that is a very skilled and letal warrior with similar strenght to at least Jessica Jones, so the Chaste would have reasons to fear that their enemies have such a weapon, specially if they were lolosing the war.

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* ** Apparently the Black Sky is the hand's Hand's equivalent to the Iron Fist. As we see that is a very skilled and letal lethal warrior with similar strenght strength to at least Jessica Jones, so the Chaste would have reasons to fear that their enemies have such a weapon, specially if they were lolosing losing the war.
** Elektra curbstomped everyone she fought except for Matt in the end, and he notes that she's holding back. She fights off all four Defenders at once a few times. So yeah, she's pretty damn powerful. Gao also mentions a prophecy of the Black Sky (while also noting that Alexandra is the only finger who ever really took it seriously), so there seems to be some quasi-religious stuff mixed in with her importance as well.
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** Psychological warfare. Of course he knows that she is capable of killing him, but he ''also'' knows that him being a zombie makes him harder to kill, so it's in the spirit of "when you run into a bear, make yourself look big and scary to frighten it into submission / retreat and hope it doesn't kill you". He needed to kill them to stop them from blowing up the building, and he was in quite a bit of real danger for once, so he's just acting like he's unstoppable to intimidate her and make winning easier. It's also totally in-character for him to act this way.
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** Yes he did. The store owner was about to shoot unarmed thieves who were already running away. Self-defense laws only stretch so far and you can't just shoot people because they stole your stuff. You can use deadly force ONLY if you believe your life is in immediate danger, but this store owner was most certainly not in any danger as they were RUNNING AWAY.

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** Yes he did. The store owner was about to shoot unarmed thieves who were already running away. Self-defense laws only stretch so far and you can't just shoot people because they stole your stuff. You can use deadly force ONLY if you believe your life is in immediate danger, but this store owner was most certainly not in any danger as they were RUNNING AWAY. [[http://komonews.com/news/local/spanaway-convenience-store-owner-who-shot-killed-thief-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison Stealing things does not deserve death]].
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* Episode 2, did Matt just beat up a shop owner whose store got looted?
**Yes he did. The store owner was about to shoot unarmed thieves who were already running away. Self-defense laws only stretch so far and you can't just shoot people because they stole your stuff. You can use deadly force ONLY if you believe your life is in immediate danger, but this store owner was most certainly not in any danger as they were RUNNING AWAY.
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* Apparently the Black Sky is the hand's equivalent to the Iron Fist. As we see that is a very skilled and letal warrior with similar strenght to at least Jessica Jones, so tje Chaste would have reasons to fesr that their enemies have such a weapon, specially if they were lolosing the war.

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* Apparently *Apparently the Black Sky is the hand's equivalent to the Iron Fist. As we see that is a very skilled and letal warrior with similar strenght to at least Jessica Jones, so tje the Chaste would have reasons to fesr fear that their enemies have such a weapon, specially if they were lolosing the war.
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*Apparently the Black Sky is the hand's equivalent to the Iron Fist. As we see that is a very skilled and letal warrior with similar strenght to at least Jessica Jones, so tje Chaste would have reasons to fesr that their enemies have such a weapon, specially if they were lolosing the war.
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[[folder:Bakuto, Overconfident or Just an Idiot?]]
* The only way to properly kill a member of the Hand is decapitation. Colleen Wing knows this. So why would Bakuto calmly tell her that any damage she does to him can be reversed? She's right in front of him, holding a sword; given how much the Hand have been shown to fear death, he should be well aware that he either wins their duel or dies permanently.
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[[folder:So What Even IS Black Sky??]]
* As early as ''Daredevil'', Black Sky has been touted as some sort of doomsday weapon worshiped and sought after by the Hand. Alexandra drones on and on about how Elektra being the Black Sky is of utmost importance. And yet Elektra is never shown to be more than simply a powerful warrior, with at least three of the Hand's five fingers dismissing her usefulness entirely and outright stating that she's not important to their plan. So what is the Black Sky, why is (or was) it important to the Hand's plans, why is it so rare, why did Stick and the Chaste think that the Hand having one was such a dire prospect, and why does an organisation with super-warriors coming out of their ears so desperately seek one extra?

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* ...so wait, that dragon skeleton is holding down the entire ground of New York? It doesn't seem THAT big.
* How do you harvest something holds the ground you're under? Shouldn't all the miners die when the "keystone" bone is pulled off?

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** The desecration could mean using the bones to keep reviving themselves, not actually destroying the bones in the first place. And grounding the bones into a powder and spreading it over the ocean would probably keep the Hand from getting any of it.
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** Gao seems to imply that it would take a while to actually collapse, the Hand may have had enough time to scrub any trace of their involvment before it happened.



* In episode 2, Gao and Alexandra have a discussion where Goa tells Alexandra that they've hit the wall. Alexandra says it's a door, since, and I quote (approximately): "If they wanted it inaccessible forever, they could haven destroyed it. This is meant to be recovered". First, how do you "destroy" a giant skeleton, knowing that your ennemies just need powder from the bone/marrow? The Hand could pick up the scraps anyways. Second, I thought the reason why the Five fingers were banned from K'un L'un is because it's desecration. So they wouldn't have destroyed it, right? Ok maybe it's more of a plothole than a headscratcher, but I'm still confused.

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* In episode 2, Gao and Alexandra have a discussion where Goa tells Alexandra that they've hit the wall. Alexandra says it's a door, since, and I quote (approximately): "If they wanted it inaccessible forever, they could haven destroyed it. This is meant to be recovered". First, how do you "destroy" a giant skeleton, knowing that your ennemies enemies just need powder from the bone/marrow? The Hand could pick up the scraps anyways. Second, I thought the reason why the Five fingers were banned from K'un L'un is because it's desecration. So they wouldn't have destroyed it, right? Ok maybe it's more of a plothole than a headscratcher, but I'm still confused.
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** The audience only knows something's suspicious about the earthquake because we're GenreSavvy (and we see Alexandra brag about it). The characters are confused by the quake, but mostly accepting of the cover story...until the geologist calls into Trish's show to explain why it can't be natural. Without modern understanding of geology, an artificially-induced volcanic eruption wouldn't be detectable. (As for ''how'' they caused the eruption, the Hand digs underground for [[PlayingWithFire dragon]] corpses, taking so much material that the [[BadVibrations surface grows unstable]]. Quakes [[DugTooDeep can trigger volcanoes].)

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** The audience only knows something's suspicious about the earthquake because we're GenreSavvy (and we see Alexandra brag about it). The characters are confused by the quake, but mostly accepting of the cover story...until the geologist calls into Trish's show to explain why it can't be natural. Without modern understanding of geology, an artificially-induced volcanic eruption wouldn't be detectable. (As for ''how'' they caused the eruption, the Hand digs underground for [[PlayingWithFire dragon]] corpses, taking so much material that the [[BadVibrations surface grows unstable]]. Quakes [[DugTooDeep can trigger volcanoes].volcanoes]].)
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** The audience only knows something's suspicious about the earthquake because we're GenreSavvy (and we see Alexandra brag about it). The characters are confused by the quake, but mostly accepting of the cover story...until the geologist calls into Trish's show to explain why it can't be natural. Without modern understanding of geology, an artificially-induced volcanic eruption wouldn't be detectable. (As for ''how'' they caused the eruption, the Hand digs underground for [[PlayingWithFire dragon]] corpses, taking so much material that the [[BadVibrations surface grows unstable]]. Quakes [[DugTooDeep can trigger volcanoes].)
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* To vaguely quote Stick, the Hand is apparently responsible for "natural disasters" that got covered, and he names Chernobyl...and Pompei. Uhhhh...how do you cause a volcano to erupt, exactly? Even with the reveal in the end, it seems a bit far-fetched...

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* To vaguely quote Stick, the Hand is apparently responsible for "natural disasters" that got covered, and he names Chernobyl...and Pompei. Uhhhh...how do you cause a volcano to erupt, exactly? Even with the reveal in the end, it seems a bit far-fetched...far-fetched...

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* To vaguely quote Stick, the Hand is apparently responsible for "natural disasters" that got covered, and he names Chernobyl...and Pompei. Uhhhh...how do you cause a volcano to erupt, exactly? Even with the reveal in the end, it seems a bit far-fetched...
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* ...so wait, that dragon skeleton is holding down the entire ground of New York? It doesn't seem THAT big.
* How do you harvest something holds the ground you're under? Shouldn't all the miners die when the "keystone" bone is pulled off?
* In episode 2, Gao and Alexandra have a discussion where Goa tells Alexandra that they've hit the wall. Alexandra says it's a door, since, and I quote (approximately): "If they wanted it inaccessible forever, they could haven destroyed it. This is meant to be recovered". First, how do you "destroy" a giant skeleton, knowing that your ennemies just need powder from the bone/marrow? The Hand could pick up the scraps anyways. Second, I thought the reason why the Five fingers were banned from K'un L'un is because it's desecration. So they wouldn't have destroyed it, right? Ok maybe it's more of a plothole than a headscratcher, but I'm still confused.
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* Seriously, isn't destroying New York City an incredibly stupid thing to do for the Hand? Oh sure, they were behind several historical events too and passed them off as just catastrophes, but this is ''New York City'' aka the (former? Dunno when the series takes place) headquarters of the ''Avengers''. And even if they wouldn't investigate it personally, it would AT LEAST warrant an investigation by S.H.I.E.L.D. and pull them out of the shadows.
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