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** Roland does carry a knife, though he's never mentioned using it as a weapon.
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* Roland is a descendant of Arthur Eld, that is, KingArthur. But KingArthur only had one child. So Roland's ancestor is the original Mordred! That could actually explain a few things.

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* Roland is a descendant of Arthur Eld, that is, KingArthur. Myth/KingArthur. But KingArthur King Arthur only had one child. So Roland's ancestor is the original Mordred! That could actually explain a few things.



** More specifically, it's invoking the KingArthur legend, particularly given the barrels of Roland's guns are said to have been forged from Excalibur itself. Excalibur, too, was thrown away into a pool of water by Sir Bedevere, the last of Arthur's Round Table after the battle against Mordred, where it disappeared and is presumably waiting for Arthur's return someday. He, too, had some doubts about getting rid of it and had to be commanded by Arthur to do so. If you look at the imagery that King chooses for Susannah disposing of the gun, it's more or less the same.

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** More specifically, it's invoking the KingArthur Myth/KingArthur legend, particularly given the barrels of Roland's guns are said to have been forged from Excalibur itself. Excalibur, too, was thrown away into a pool of water by Sir Bedevere, the last of Arthur's Round Table after the battle against Mordred, where it disappeared and is presumably waiting for Arthur's return someday. He, too, had some doubts about getting rid of it and had to be commanded by Arthur to do so. If you look at the imagery that King chooses for Susannah disposing of the gun, it's more or less the same.
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** Re-reading ''Wizard and Glass'', though, it's said that "Baron" is a meaningless title, despite Farson's propaganda, so this troper's analysis above was wrong on that count; although it's implied to have been more meaningful to begin with.
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* Why is there no mention of Roland (or any other gunslinger or that matter) carrying a backup weapon that doesn't rely on limited ammunition? Even archers like Legolas in ''TheLordOfTheRings'' carried a blade for close quarter combat and unlike [[BottomlessMagazines in the films]], there was a good reason for it. Samurai archers were also swordsmen just like regular samurai. Although he and his kin are called "gunslingers", not "sword and gun slingers", Roland should have had at least a good sword (albeit one that might be easily concealed for those instances when he has to visit our world). Roland did have to learn unarmed combat as part of his training, and even afterwards, they didn't get guns right away (Cuthbert using a slingshot, for example). Did Stephen King just want to avoid fantasy tropes such as swords?

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* Why is there no mention of Roland (or any other gunslinger or that matter) carrying a backup weapon that doesn't rely on limited ammunition? Even archers like Legolas in ''TheLordOfTheRings'' ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' carried a blade for close quarter combat and unlike [[BottomlessMagazines in the films]], there was a good reason for it. Samurai archers were also swordsmen just like regular samurai. Although he and his kin are called "gunslingers", not "sword and gun slingers", Roland should have had at least a good sword (albeit one that might be easily concealed for those instances when he has to visit our world). Roland did have to learn unarmed combat as part of his training, and even afterwards, they didn't get guns right away (Cuthbert using a slingshot, for example). Did Stephen King just want to avoid fantasy tropes such as swords?
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* Why is there no mention of Roland (or any other gunslinger or that matter) carrying a backup weapon that doesn't rely on limited ammunition? Even archers like Legolas in ''TheLordOfTheRings'' carried a blade for close quarter combat and unlike [[BottomlessMagazines in the films]], there was a good reason for it. Samurai archers were also swordsmen just like regular samurai. Although he and his kin are called "gunslingers", not "sword and gun slingers", Roland should have had at least a good sword (albeit one that might be easily concealed for those instances when he has to visit our world). Roland did have to learn unarmed combat as part of his training, so presumably, so this, if anything should have been a part of his regular weapons retinue.

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* Why is there no mention of Roland (or any other gunslinger or that matter) carrying a backup weapon that doesn't rely on limited ammunition? Even archers like Legolas in ''TheLordOfTheRings'' carried a blade for close quarter combat and unlike [[BottomlessMagazines in the films]], there was a good reason for it. Samurai archers were also swordsmen just like regular samurai. Although he and his kin are called "gunslingers", not "sword and gun slingers", Roland should have had at least a good sword (albeit one that might be easily concealed for those instances when he has to visit our world). Roland did have to learn unarmed combat as part of his training, so presumably, so this, if anything should have been and even afterwards, they didn't get guns right away (Cuthbert using a part of his regular weapons retinue.slingshot, for example). Did Stephen King just want to avoid fantasy tropes such as swords?
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* Why is there no mention of Roland (or any other gunslinger or that matter) carrying a backup weapon that doesn't rely on limited ammunition? Even archers like Legolas in ''TheLordOfTheRings'' carried a blade for close quarter combat and unlike [[BottomlessMagazines in the films]], there was a good reason for it. Samurai archers were also swordsmen just like regular samurai. Although he and his kin are called "gunslingers", not "sword and gun slingers", Roland should have had at least a good sword (albeit one that might be easily concealed for those instances when he has to visit our world). Roland did have to learn unarmed combat as part of his training, so presumably, so this, if anything should have been a part of his regular weapons retinue.
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** Nay, sai. Walter/RF/Martin/etc. doesn’t exactly have the goal of stopping Roland from reaching the Tower. It’s to ‘’enter the Tower before Roland does.’’ Since Roland, who has ‘’ka’’ helping him out through the medium of Stephen King, is getting supernatural help, he can break trail and defeat obstacles that Walter can’t. So he is constantly flipping between helping Roland (when he needs Roland to do something) and slowing or thwarting him (when he doesn’t). Walter knows more about Roland’s path than Roland does, and he figures that if he can get the sequence of manipulations ‘’just’’ right, he can beat Roland to the top, supplant Gan and the Crimson King both, and achieve unimaginable power, unlimited rice pudding, etc., etc.
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*** Roland visualizes the robots as having some sort of instrument to sniff out the twins, so Jake may have been ignored until they realized he was a threat.
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** Re-reading it, I think the safest assumption is that Stephen King's original version of Walter changed as the story went on. By book five, I had come to think of Walter as something akin to the demons in the stone circles: not trustworthy, and ''never'' safe, but if you beat them by whatever esoteric rules they live by they have to obey you- until your guard drops, anyway. Roland beat Walter, now Walter has to help him, despite the many, many traps Walter laid for Roland that King hadn't even written yet. Then it turns out Walter's just another disguise for Marten/Flagg/whatever, and now it just seems like EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
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** Walter says that he has played his part and served his king by helping to lead Roland to the Tower. When Stephen King first wrote the Gunslinger, I believe that he intended that Walter's mission was to show Roland the way to the Tower, first by getting Roland to chase him, then by the Tarot reading and vision. He cast the vision and they are both caught up in it, asleep or entranced for many years. Roland wakes up aged and Walter has not survived. He casts the vision knowing that he will (or may) die, content to do so because his role is fulfilled. His jawbone can still speak after death when Roland needs guidance.

This was then retconned. Walter wants Roland to believe that they were both entranced for many years until he died, but it is a trick. He put his cloak on a skeleton (there were many skeletons in the cave in which they had their palaver). The skeleton is not of anybody special. The jawbone later becomes possessed by the demon.
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** I believe ''Literature/TheEyesOfTheDragon'' dealt with this. He changes his identity every couple of decades.
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* In the first book, Roland wakes up after ten years and sees a pile of bones that he thinks is Walter. Clearly this isn't the case because Walter is really Randall Flagg and we see him in the following books. So whose bones were those? And was Roland really dumb enough to think that Walter sat there for ten years watching him sleep until he died?
* So if Allie was horrified by what Nort said happened to him after he died, why would she beg for death? Wouldn't that be the last thing she'd want to have happen to her?

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly, with the exception of colloquialisms and pop culture references on either side. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin"), tuna fish ("tooter fish"), and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So given the differences seen so far, why isn't Roland perceived by the others (or them perceived by him), to be speaking with horrendous accents. In fact, everyone in Midworld seems to be understandable to the New Yorkers. "Thankee sai" is close enough to English. Is this actually a corruption of English spoken?

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly, with the exception of colloquialisms and pop culture references on either side. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin"), tuna fish ("tooter fish"), and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So I'll accept that Stephen King didn't want to try to create a full blown language (like Tolkein did) since he's not a linguist. But given the differences seen so far, why isn't Roland perceived by the others (or them perceived by him), to be speaking with horrendous accents.accents and a lot of dialectical differences. In fact, everyone in Midworld seems to be understandable to the New Yorkers. "Thankee sai" is close enough to English. Is this actually a corruption of English spoken?

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly, with the exception of colloquialisms and pop culture references on either side. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin"), tuna fish ("tooter fish"), and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So given the differences seen so far, why isn't Roland perceived by the others (or them perceived by him), to be speaking with horrendous accents.

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly, with the exception of colloquialisms and pop culture references on either side. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin"), tuna fish ("tooter fish"), and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So given the differences seen so far, why isn't Roland perceived by the others (or them perceived by him), to be speaking with horrendous accents. In fact, everyone in Midworld seems to be understandable to the New Yorkers. "Thankee sai" is close enough to English. Is this actually a corruption of English spoken?

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin") and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So why isn't he speaking with an accent that the other three would find exotic. Is there some universal translator device acting somehow?

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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly. perfectly, with the exception of colloquialisms and pop culture references on either side. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin") ("astin"), tuna fish ("tooter fish"), and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So given the differences seen so far, why isn't he Roland perceived by the others (or them perceived by him), to be speaking with an accent that the other three would find exotic. Is there some universal translator device acting somehow?horrendous accents.
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* Roland understands the language of Jake, Eddie, and Susannah when he draws them from New York. They can also understand him perfectly. But then, he has problems pronouncing words like aspirin ("astin") and magazine ("magda-seen). It was established that his written language is different and probably has different vowel and consonant sounds. So why isn't he speaking with an accent that the other three would find exotic. Is there some universal translator device acting somehow?
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** This makes one wonder what would happen if an apprentice unintentionally kills Cort during the test. Will this reflect badly (as Cort would have taught restraint), or will he become a gunsligner, nonethless. Albeit one who has the death of his mentor as an albatross. On the other hand, I suspect there are referees that would keep the apprentice from [[FinishHim dealing a deathblow intentionally]], but what if a blow that he would have withstood at one time kills him now that he's older and slower?

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** This makes one wonder what would happen if an apprentice unintentionally kills Cort during the test. Will this reflect badly (as Cort would have taught restraint), or will he become a gunsligner, nonethless. Albeit one who has the death of his mentor as an albatross. On the other hand, I suspect there are referees that would keep the apprentice from [[FinishHim dealing a deathblow intentionally]], but what if a blow that he would have withstood at one time kills him now that he's older and slower?slower? Roland did say to a defeated Cort, "Yield or die", but I wonder if that was just a formality.
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** This makes one wonder what would happen if an apprentice unintentionally kills Cort during the test. Will this reflect badly (as Cort would have taught restraint), or will he become a gunsligner, nonethless. Albeit one who has the death of his mentor as an albatross. On the other hand, I suspect there are referees that would keep the apprentice from [[FinishHim dealing a deathblow intentionally]], but what if a blow that he would have withstood at one time kills him now that he's older and slower?
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* Mordred can control any mind that he can touch, up to and including a guy on the level of Randall Flagg. Why did he even need bad dad to send Patrick to sleep? Why didn't he make Patrick try and kill Roland himself? More pertinently, why didn't he do this with Oy?
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* Who is actually in charge in Gilead? Is there a King somewhere? Roland's father seems more like one of the top (if not ''the top'' Gunslinger, but it's always seemed to me that there's some sort of monarchy system here.

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* Who is actually in charge in Gilead? Is there a King somewhere? Roland's father seems more like one of the top (if not ''the top'' top'') Gunslinger, but it's always seemed to me that there's some sort of monarchy system here.
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** Presumably he also gets sneakier and more familiar with young would-be gunslingers' tactics over time.
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* Every gunslinger's final test requires winning a fight with Cort. Win or lose (but especially lose), Cort accumulates a little (or a lot) more damage from each test. Doesn't this mean that, as he ages and accumulates damage, young gunslingers are getting a less strenuous test?
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** To a large degree, this series is about addiction. "You're a Tower junkie, Roland." Even when he doesn't need to enter the Tower, even when his quest to save it is supposedly completed, ''he enters the Tower anyway,'' because he's addicted to the romance of it. Remember the Beast that Walter warned Roland of, the creature at the top of the Tower, whom Stephen King apparently forgot all about? "He darkles. He tincts," Walter said. Roland hears these same words right before his memories reset, only describing himself. ''Roland is the Beast.'' Roland has to beat his Tower addiction. Until he does, he goes on.

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** To a large degree, this series is about addiction. "You're a Tower junkie, Roland." Even when he doesn't need to enter the Tower, even when his quest to save it is supposedly completed, ''he enters the Tower anyway,'' because he's addicted to the romance of it. Remember the Beast that Walter warned Roland of, describes the creature at the top keeper of the Tower, whom Stephen King apparently forgot all about? Tower to Roland: "He darkles. He tincts," Walter said. tincts." Roland hears these same words right before his memories reset, only describing himself. ''Roland is the Beast.''It all stems from Roland.'' Roland has to beat his Tower addiction. Until he does, he goes on.
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* Walter's motivations make no sense. At the end of ''The Gunslinger,'' he gives Roland crucial information about the Tower, how to get there, and what he'll find there. Walter then spends the rest of the series trying to prevent Roland from getting there. Wha ...?


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** To a large degree, this series is about addiction. "You're a Tower junkie, Roland." Even when he doesn't need to enter the Tower, even when his quest to save it is supposedly completed, ''he enters the Tower anyway,'' because he's addicted to the romance of it. Remember the Beast that Walter warned Roland of, the creature at the top of the Tower, whom Stephen King apparently forgot all about? "He darkles. He tincts," Walter said. Roland hears these same words right before his memories reset, only describing himself. ''Roland is the Beast.'' Roland has to beat his Tower addiction. Until he does, he goes on.
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** Most of Roland's problems have been caused by his pursuit of the Dark Tower. He's let good people die because of it, and even put all of reality at risk by bringing his guns within reach of the Crimson King. So my interpretation has always been that the time loop is a punishment for Roland's single-minded selfishness in the name of the Tower. To escape from the time loop and finally find peace, the answer is simple: give up on the Tower, never go up to that top room where the time loop happens, and just ''let it go''.

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** Gilead is also referred to as "The Affiliation of Baronies", so it appears that Gunslingers hold equivalent rank to feudal Barons. Cribbing from The Other Wiki: "William I introduced the rank of baron in England to distinguish those men who had pledged their loyalty to him under the feudal system... All who held their feudal barony 'in-chief of the king', that is with the king as his immediate overlord, became alike barones regis ('barons of the king'), bound to perform a stipulated annual military service, and obliged to attend his council... Initially those who held land directly from the king by military service, from earls downwards, all bore alike the title of baron, which was thus the factor uniting all members of the ancient baronage as peers one of another." So it seems to me that Gunslingers are also hereditary Barons. Roland's family in particular is descended from Arthur Eld, the last King. This might not be true of every gunslinger, but I would guess that Roland's original ka-tet- Cuthbert, Alain, and Jamie- were also in the line of Eld. Between them all, the gunslinger families run Gilead. They do form a hereditary monarchy, but it's also a meritocracy where each must survive the tests to become a gunslinger, thus proving his worth. Those who don't are "sent West".



**** Eddie unwittingly went through one of Sombra Corporation's doors into Keystone New York, watched the movie, and then found another door back; but, being high, he had no idea he'd traveled between worlds and never found his way back again until his adventures with Roland.



*** Perhaps the horn is the final DeusExMachina in the cycle. Roland has been finding the tower and repeating the cycle countless hundreds or even thousands of times in his world, but maybe this is the first time (the time we're reading it) that he's had to save King's life. So (fictional) King wrote the horn into Roland's hip pocket this time around, as a way to thank him for saving him... giving him the tool he needs to escape the cycle.



** When he finds the path of the beam, it's implied he was always aware of it. But the quest to catch the Man in Black sidetracked following it, and later, the pull to draw the three takes him subconciously down the beach. He was taking a break after the adventures on the beach to heal and train his new apprentices. After the battle with Shardik essentially gives his apprentice their "trial" to become gunslingers, Roland is satisfied enough to actually persue the path of the beam.

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** When he finds the path of the beam, it's implied he was always aware of it. But the quest to catch the Man in Black sidetracked following it, and later, the pull to draw the three takes him subconciously subconsciously down the beach. He was taking a break after the adventures on the beach to heal and train his new apprentices. After the battle with Shardik essentially gives his apprentice their "trial" to become gunslingers, Roland is satisfied enough to actually persue pursue the path of the beam.


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*** Having just re-read the epilogue: the shells in her gun were "wets" and the barrel was plugged, and looked as though it had been for years. The final trip between worlds spoiled it as a weapon. Yet she still felt a pang of regret throwing away "such a storied weapon." She certainly did ''not'' treat it like trash, but what else was she going to do? Roland's voice itself was reminding her she needed to get rid of it before going to meet ReplacementGoldfish Eddie.
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** He has to keep doing it until he gets it ''right''. Perhaps every time he's been getting one step closer to completing his quest properly, which I take to be attaining the Tower without sacrificing his humanity (symbolized by the boy Jake). The very strong implication, at the end of the Coda, is that he now has the last missing element he needed to succeed and this is his last trip to the Tower.
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** Presumably he carried them from Gilead during the fall of the kingdom. He may have resupplied some on the way, but as rare as firearms had become (particularly handguns) his may have been the last ammunition in the world. Regardless, there's a limit to how far one can run when chased by 50 frothing mad religious cultists, and eventually he would have been forced to go back for his mount, so a confrontation was inevitable. His gunslinger instincts made him face them sooner rather than later. It's stated outright that his hands worked without his conscious command; for Roland, killing in that situation is an instinctive reaction.
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* In relation to the errors mentioned above, it -is- a big part of the book that reality itself was crumbling like a big...crumbly thing.

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* In relation to the errors mentioned above, it -is- a big part of the book that reality itself was [[{{Metaphorgotten}} crumbling like a big...crumbly thing.thing]].
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* How the FUCK can Randall Flagg be killed by a regular spider thing.He survived a NUKE at the end of TheStand.He's also powerful wizard and has a quasi immortality and can reincarnate.I think a thousands of years old wizard like him would be able to defend himself from weak Mordred.

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* How the FUCK can Randall Flagg be killed by a regular spider thing.He survived a NUKE at the end of TheStand.''Literature/TheStand''. He's also powerful wizard and has a quasi immortality and can reincarnate.I think a thousands of years old wizard like him would be able to defend himself from weak Mordred.

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