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** It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...
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** It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...that...
* Why do people refer to Eve as being "Underage"?? Biologically she isn't, though [[ArtisticAge the visuals don't help]]. But according to the timeline and official material, Eve was biologically 12 when Aya found her during the events of the second game, which took place in 2000, and Zero Hour occurred in 2010 according to the timeline, so Eve was actually 22 when she leapt into Aya's body. Of course she may be a lot younger mentally, considering she was only a few years old in real time during the second game (the joys of accelerated aging) but the games never seem to imply that her mental development is stunted; the epilogue of game two mentions her attending middle school, for instance.
* Why do people refer to Eve as being "Underage"?? Biologically she isn't, though [[ArtisticAge the visuals don't help]]. But according to the timeline and official material, Eve was biologically 12 when Aya found her during the events of the second game, which took place in 2000, and Zero Hour occurred in 2010 according to the timeline, so Eve was actually 22 when she leapt into Aya's body. Of course she may be a lot younger mentally, considering she was only a few years old in real time during the second game (the joys of accelerated aging) but the games never seem to imply that her mental development is stunted; the epilogue of game two mentions her attending middle school, for instance.
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*** Except that doesn't explain why it took them a ''decade'' to do the deed. According to the story, Aya and Kyle weren't "underground" (i.e. hiding from the government/shadow government) in the aftermath of PE2 The fact they held their wedding at a Catholic cathedral, which is a very open setting, indicates they had no reason to suspect the state would turn against them. The government could've taken them out at any time, and in a manner that was less dramatic, resource-draining, and politically suicidal (I mean, think about it: A SWAT team raiding and shooting up a wedding in a Catholic cathedral on American soil with no pretense or warrant? No amount of cover-up would save it from the media or public) It would indicate a level of incompetence on the government's part that is unprecedented in history.
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*** Except that doesn't explain why it took them a ''decade'' to do the deed. According to the story, Aya and Kyle weren't "underground" (i.e. hiding from the government/shadow government) in the aftermath of PE2 [=PE2=] The fact they held their wedding at a Catholic cathedral, which is a very open setting, indicates they had no reason to suspect the state would turn against them. The government could've taken them out at any time, and in a manner that was less dramatic, resource-draining, and politically suicidal (I mean, think about it: A SWAT team raiding and shooting up a wedding in a Catholic cathedral on American soil with no pretense or warrant? No amount of cover-up would save it from the media or public) It would indicate a level of incompetence on the government's part that is unprecedented in history.
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*** [[spoiler:This is not true. Cray is able to recognize her despite not "being a High One" (the game is not clear about this) when she saved him in Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Danny Russo (or Cray again, the game isn't too clear again about the exact moment where Clay posed as Russo) doesn't reacts to one of his soldiers claiming to be a CTI female at all.]]. Even if what you said is true, everyone would be raising eyebrows at people from the past recognizing Aya (including Aya herself), but they never do. The game is just really inconsistent about this.
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*** [[spoiler:This is not true. Cray is able to recognize her despite not "being a High One" (the game is not clear about this) this due to possible cut content) when she saved him in Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Danny Russo (or Cray again, the game isn't too clear again about the exact moment where Clay posed as Russo) doesn't reacts to one of his soldiers claiming to be a CTI female at all.]]. Even if what you said is true, everyone would be raising eyebrows at people from the past recognizing Aya (including Aya herself), but they never do. The game is just really inconsistent about this.this.
**** Aya can also "have conversations" (or to be specific, the person she's currently possessing) with other soldiers inside safe areas as if they were not being possesed by her, which really opens a lot of more questions to her Overdrive.
**** Aya can also "have conversations" (or to be specific, the person she's currently possessing) with other soldiers inside safe areas as if they were not being possesed by her, which really opens a lot of more questions to her Overdrive.
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*** [[spoiler:This is not true. Clay is able to recognize her despite not being a High One when she saved him in Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Danny Russo doesn't reacts to one of his soldiers claiming to be a CTI female at all.]] The game is just really inconsistent about this.
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*** [[spoiler:This is not true. Clay Cray is able to recognize her despite not being "being a High One One" (the game is not clear about this) when she saved him in Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Danny Russo (or Cray again, the game isn't too clear again about the exact moment where Clay posed as Russo) doesn't reacts to one of his soldiers claiming to be a CTI female at all.]] ]]. Even if what you said is true, everyone would be raising eyebrows at people from the past recognizing Aya (including Aya herself), but they never do. The game is just really inconsistent about this.
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**** [[spoiler:This is not true. Clay is able to recognize her despite not being a High One when she saved him in Chapter 2, and Chapter 3 Danny Russo doesn't reacts to one of his soldiers claiming to be a CTI female at all.]] The game is just really inconsistent about this.
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* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?
* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?
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** It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...
* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?that...
* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?
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** It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...that...
* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?
* I see it mentioned here that the Twisted were also created by Aya's death when Eve Overdived into her body the first time. I was left with the impression from the game that only created the High Ones, and the Twisted are a separate entity whom the High Ones are fighting against. Where in the game does it attribute the creation of the Twisted also to Aya?
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*** This troper figures that the easiest explanation is that [[spoiler:The troopers were sent by the goverment to assassinate Aya, Eve, and Kyle]] If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense...[[spoiler:The goverment would have very plausible reasons to want all three dead. Aya was directly involved with the Manhattan incident and carries mutated Mitochondria. Even though her mitochondria have supposedly formed a symbiotic relationship with her cells, there's no telling what might happen with her in the future, plus she was already inadvertendtly linked to a second threat to the world when the crazy group from game 2 stole her DNA and used it as part of their plan for Mitochondria induced Instrumentality. Eve is an illegal clone that shouldn't exist, and her abilities are a complete wild card. And Kyle was originally a deep undercover goverment agent who decided to go AWOL at the end of game 2, and took who knows how many secrets with him. In a nutshell, all three characters could easily be seen as a liability as long as they're alive, and the goverment would want to eliminate them to prevent any further threats to national security and safety. Which makes it very ironic when we realize that it was the soldiers' attack that *caused* the twisted and high ones to be born in the first place.]]
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*** This troper figures that the easiest explanation is that [[spoiler:The troopers were sent by the goverment to assassinate Aya, Eve, and Kyle]] If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense...[[spoiler:The goverment would have very plausible reasons to want all three dead. Aya was directly involved with the Manhattan incident and carries mutated Mitochondria. Even though her mitochondria have supposedly formed a symbiotic relationship with her cells, there's no telling what might happen with her in the future, plus she was already inadvertendtly inadvertently linked to a second threat to the world when the crazy group from game 2 stole her DNA and used it as part of their plan for Mitochondria induced Instrumentality. Eve is an illegal clone that shouldn't exist, and her abilities are a complete wild card. And Kyle was originally a deep undercover goverment agent who decided to go AWOL at the end of game 2, and took who knows how many secrets with him. In a nutshell, all three characters could easily be seen as a liability as long as they're alive, and the goverment would want to eliminate them to prevent any further threats to national security and safety. Which makes it very ironic when we realize that it was the soldiers' attack that *caused* the twisted and high ones to be born in the first place.]]]]
*** Except that doesn't explain why it took them a ''decade'' to do the deed. According to the story, Aya and Kyle weren't "underground" (i.e. hiding from the government/shadow government) in the aftermath of PE2 The fact they held their wedding at a Catholic cathedral, which is a very open setting, indicates they had no reason to suspect the state would turn against them. The government could've taken them out at any time, and in a manner that was less dramatic, resource-draining, and politically suicidal (I mean, think about it: A SWAT team raiding and shooting up a wedding in a Catholic cathedral on American soil with no pretense or warrant? No amount of cover-up would save it from the media or public) It would indicate a level of incompetence on the government's part that is unprecedented in history.
*** Except that doesn't explain why it took them a ''decade'' to do the deed. According to the story, Aya and Kyle weren't "underground" (i.e. hiding from the government/shadow government) in the aftermath of PE2 The fact they held their wedding at a Catholic cathedral, which is a very open setting, indicates they had no reason to suspect the state would turn against them. The government could've taken them out at any time, and in a manner that was less dramatic, resource-draining, and politically suicidal (I mean, think about it: A SWAT team raiding and shooting up a wedding in a Catholic cathedral on American soil with no pretense or warrant? No amount of cover-up would save it from the media or public) It would indicate a level of incompetence on the government's part that is unprecedented in history.
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** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Three words]]: [[spoiler:StableTimeLoop]]. In slightly more words, [[spoiler:the SWAT team was from a present day that the Twisted had invaded, seeking to cut them off at the source (believed to be Eve, after she fragmented Aya's consciousness via Overdiving to save her - meaning a double count of NiceJobBreakingItHero is in order). Hyde forcing Eve!Aya back into Eve's body at Time Zero somehow averts this, by A: dicking with the past to make it so Eve never Overdived into Aya, B: thus preventing Aya's destruction from creating the Twisted, and C: thus removing the reason for the High Ones to exist. Well, except for his willingness to prolong the Twisted/High One war by forcing a now-cognizant Eve to ascend, but Aya put a stop to that. So no Twisted, no High Ones, apparently no Aya dying (between the Secret Ending and Aya ordering Eve to aim at her sternum, which is surprisingly hard to penetrate with a pistol), ''the game retcons itself,'' and Square is left with their choice of nubile gunbunnies to have more BodyHorror misadventures with]].
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** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Three words]]: words: [[spoiler:StableTimeLoop]]. In slightly more words, [[spoiler:the SWAT team was from a present day that the Twisted had invaded, seeking to cut them off at the source (believed to be Eve, after she fragmented Aya's consciousness via Overdiving to save her - meaning a double count of NiceJobBreakingItHero is in order). Hyde forcing Eve!Aya back into Eve's body at Time Zero somehow averts this, by A: dicking with the past to make it so Eve never Overdived into Aya, B: thus preventing Aya's destruction from creating the Twisted, and C: thus removing the reason for the High Ones to exist. Well, except for his willingness to prolong the Twisted/High One war by forcing a now-cognizant Eve to ascend, but Aya put a stop to that. So no Twisted, no High Ones, apparently no Aya dying (between the Secret Ending and Aya ordering Eve to aim at her sternum, which is surprisingly hard to penetrate with a pistol), ''the game retcons itself,'' and Square is left with their choice of nubile gunbunnies to have more BodyHorror misadventures with]].
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**It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...
**It might not be cost effective (Yes, there's still the issue of economy during this time, though obviously diminished), plus, there might be only be a few of such satellites orbiting a specific region at a time, meaning that it won't always be hovering over the US. There's also the fact that the Twisted might also adapt to this and become scaringly resistant to that...
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* I could see why Aya's mitochondria would consider it beneficial to keep Aya looking like she's in her early twenties. I don't get why Eve's mitochondria want to keep her looking like she's ten.
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* I could see why Aya's mitochondria would consider it beneficial to keep Aya looking like she's in her early twenties. I don't get why Eve's mitochondria want to keep her looking like she's ten.ten.
* Why not just use the KillSat all the time?
* Why not just use the KillSat all the time?
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** [[spoiler: Hyde's conversation with Aya at the top of the Grand Babel suggested that the events of the 3rd birthday were part of a [[StableTimeLoop stable time loop]], only that for this instance, he would break that very loop. Then there's also the secret ending, where a woman who looks like Aya greets the Eve-Aya happy birthday before disappearing, which happens at the alternate timeline formed at the game's ending. This seems to suggest that the 3rd Birthday refers to it being the 3rd time the loop occured.]]
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** [[spoiler: Hyde's conversation with Aya at the top of the Grand Babel suggested that the events of the 3rd birthday were part of a [[StableTimeLoop stable time loop]], only that for this instance, he would break that very loop. Then there's also the secret ending, where a woman who looks like Aya greets the Eve-Aya happy birthday before disappearing, which happens at the alternate timeline formed at the game's ending. This seems to suggest that the 3rd Birthday refers to it being the 3rd time the loop occured.]]]]
* I could see why Aya's mitochondria would consider it beneficial to keep Aya looking like she's in her early twenties. I don't get why Eve's mitochondria want to keep her looking like she's ten.
* I could see why Aya's mitochondria would consider it beneficial to keep Aya looking like she's in her early twenties. I don't get why Eve's mitochondria want to keep her looking like she's ten.
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* What is the significance of this game's title, exactly? Does it refer to [[spoiler: the amount of time passed between the game's events and when Eve became Aya]]?
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* What is the significance of this game's title, exactly? Does it refer to [[spoiler: the amount of time passed between the game's events and when Eve became Aya]]?Aya]]?
** [[spoiler: Hyde's conversation with Aya at the top of the Grand Babel suggested that the events of the 3rd birthday were part of a [[StableTimeLoop stable time loop]], only that for this instance, he would break that very loop. Then there's also the secret ending, where a woman who looks like Aya greets the Eve-Aya happy birthday before disappearing, which happens at the alternate timeline formed at the game's ending. This seems to suggest that the 3rd Birthday refers to it being the 3rd time the loop occured.]]
** [[spoiler: Hyde's conversation with Aya at the top of the Grand Babel suggested that the events of the 3rd birthday were part of a [[StableTimeLoop stable time loop]], only that for this instance, he would break that very loop. Then there's also the secret ending, where a woman who looks like Aya greets the Eve-Aya happy birthday before disappearing, which happens at the alternate timeline formed at the game's ending. This seems to suggest that the 3rd Birthday refers to it being the 3rd time the loop occured.]]
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** [[spoiler:According to the CTI files, Cray was turning into a High One. Aya ODKilled him, causing an alteration of the timeline, and Blank and Hyde's memory rewrite. Cray probably saw the Eve anomaly as Isabella, probably reflecting his relationship to her as a spitting image of her daughter.(Which would make sense; the soldiers that have no relation to Eve saw her with a face of a twisted, and Aya and Kyle saw the anomaly as Eve)]]
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** [[spoiler:According to the CTI files, Cray was turning into a High One. Aya ODKilled him, causing an alteration of the timeline, and Blank and Hyde's memory rewrite. Cray probably saw the Eve anomaly as Isabella, probably reflecting his relationship to her as a spitting image of her daughter.(Which would make sense; the soldiers that have no relation to Eve saw her with a face of a twisted, and Aya and Kyle saw the anomaly as Eve)]]Eve)]]
* What is the significance of this game's title, exactly? Does it refer to [[spoiler: the amount of time passed between the game's events and when Eve became Aya]]?
* What is the significance of this game's title, exactly? Does it refer to [[spoiler: the amount of time passed between the game's events and when Eve became Aya]]?
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*** I have theory that's super crazy, yet more logical than [[spoiler:The Government Killing the sole weapon against another EVE attack or a Shadow Government going for petty revenge instead of making a new Eve]] Hear me out... [[spoiler: KINGDOM HEARTS]]
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*** [[spoiler:At the end of Chapter 5, Hyde explains that every time a High One is killed, Space-Time is altered, regardless of when they are killed. As to him knowing the term 'High Ones', its possible that the piece of Eve inside him allows some form of mental link to Eve-Aya?"
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*** [[spoiler:At the end of Chapter 5, Hyde explains that every time a High One is killed, Space-Time is altered, regardless of when they are killed. As to him knowing the term 'High Ones', its possible that the piece of Eve inside him allows some form of mental link to Eve-Aya?"Eve-Aya?]]
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****Its very possible that the Military and the SWAT team were informed of Aya's abilities. She's not exactly a secret weapon.
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**[[spoiler:Simple. They haven't invented it yet. If the Reaper's shell is really hard as they say, it would take quite a while of research and development before they find a way to penetrate it. And even if they did invent it by Chapter 4, it would be useless to worms, given that the laser still does abysmal damage to a soft-bodied Reaper.]]
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* What happened at the end of Red Fog? [[spoiler: Cray was Russo? Huh? Then he got absorbed by an orb that looked like his daughter? Huh? It made no sense and they were too busy skipping ahead to explain.]]
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**[[spoiler:According to the CTI files, Cray was turning into a High One. Aya ODKilled him, causing an alteration of the timeline, and Blank and Hyde's memory rewrite. Cray probably saw the Eve anomaly as Isabella, probably reflecting his relationship to her as a spitting image of her daughter.(Which would make sense; the soldiers that have no relation to Eve saw her with a face of a twisted, and Aya and Kyle saw the anomaly as Eve)
**[[spoiler:According to the CTI files, Cray was turning into a High One. Aya ODKilled him, causing an alteration of the timeline, and Blank and Hyde's memory rewrite. Cray probably saw the Eve anomaly as Isabella, probably reflecting his relationship to her as a spitting image of her daughter.(Which would make sense; the soldiers that have no relation to Eve saw her with a face of a twisted, and Aya and Kyle saw the anomaly as Eve)
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