History Headscratchers / TerminatorGenisys

** Yes the offer, and the fact that he's seen trying to do it to Sarah, both are enough on their own to show that he can. There would be no reason for the T-3000 to extend such an offer if he were NOT be capable of converting Kyle and Sarah and there would also be no logical reason why the T-3000 wouldn't be able to convert, just for all practical purposes. There's never a point in the movie where ANYONE states that John Connor is incapable of conversion and to my knowledge no WordOfGod stating it either, in fact the whole idea that he can't has been pulled out of thin air by the viewers as far as I can tell. Note that he only extends this offer to Sarah and Kyle, the only 2 people in 2017 whose existence or nonexistence wouldn't affect the timeline in any way at this point.

*** Nope, a white phosphorus explosion produces white smoke, not black smoke, and throws hot fragments of WP everywhere that also emit white smoke. If Kyle was that close to burning white phosphorus in an enclosed space without a gas mask, he'd be choking on the smoke, and a 40mm HE grenade would be far more explosive than a homemade pipe bomb filled with explosives made from chemicals bought at a hardware store.

*** Nope, white phosphorus explosion produces white smoke, not black smoke, and throws hot fragments of WP everywhere that also emit white smoke. If Kyle was that close to burning white phosphorus in an enclosed without a gas mask, he'd be choking on the smoke, and a 40mm HE grenade would be far more explosive than a homemade pipe bomb filled with explosives made from chemicals bought at a hardware store.

*** Nope, white phosphorus explosion produces white smoke, not black smoke, and throws hot fragments of WP everywhere that also emit white smoke. If Kyle was that close to burning white phosphorus in an enclosed without a gas mask, he'd be choking on the smoke, and 40mm HE grenade would be far more explosive than a homemade pipe bomb filled with explosives made from chemicals bought at a hardware store.

*** Nope, white phosphorus explosion produces white smoke, not black smoke, and throws hot fragments of WP everywhere that also emit white smoke. If Kyle was that close to burning white phosphorus in an enclosed without a gas mask, he'd be choking on the smoke, and 40mm HE grenade would be far more explosive than a homemade pipe bomb filled with explosives made from household chemicals.

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*** Except this was directed against the Terminator, a being that you'd last expect to be offended by being called 'old'.

** You're correct that the conversion wasn't instant, but that doesn't change the fact that he needs to get close enough to John without drawing suspicion to start it. It's unclear if the factors of the time machine sending Kyle back at that moment and the momentary mass-confusion turned the tide in the T-5000's favor or not, but if he gets spotted first and is forced to fight the squad ''before'' John's conversion has begun, his target could slip away and regroup against this new threat.

** Rewatching the film, the truck ''itself'' doesn't explode or catch on fire; it's just the tank that blows up. Seeing as Uncle Bob was able to get away with no casualties whatsoever despite doing some major damage to police vehicles and later a truck sliding into a foundry in T2, it's probably a given that the good Terminators know exactly what they can and can't damage in order to preserve human life. [[ImprobableAimingSkills Even if it's a fuel tank on a truck.]]

** Rewatching the film, the truck ''itself'' doesn't explode or catch on fire; it's just the tank that blows up. Seeing as Uncle Bob was able to get away with no casualties whatsoever despite doing some major damage to police vehicles and later a truck sliding into a foundry in T2, [[WeDoTheImpossible it's probably a given that the good Terminators know exactly what they can and can't damage in order to preserve human life. Even if it's a fuel tank on a truck.]]

** Rewatching the film, the truck ''itself'' doesn't explode or catch on fire; it's just the tank that blows up. Seeing as Uncle Bob was able to get away with no casualties whatsoever despite doing some major damage to police vehicles and later a truck sliding into a foundry in T2, it's probably a given that the good Terminators know exactly what they can and can't damage in order to preserve human life. Even if it's a fuel tank on a truck.

** Rewatching the film, the actual truck doesn't explode or catch on fire; it's just the tank that blows up. Seeing as Uncle Bob was able to get away with no casualties whatsoever despite doing some major damage to police vehicles and later a truck sliding into a foundry in T2, it's probably a given that the good Terminators know exactly what they can and can't damage in order to preserve human life. Even if it's a fuel tank on a truck.

** John Connor probably gave them enough information (perhaps funding too, but that's unlikely) to make the project seem practical for Cyberdyne to pursue it. Even more so, they have a contract with the military from the Genisys project; they would love to get their hands on a weapon like that if it was possible.

** John Connor probably gave them enough information and a helping hand (perhaps funding, but that's unlikely) to make the project seem practical for Cyberdyne to pursue it. Even more so, they have a contract with the military from the Genisys project; they would love to get their hands on a weapon like that if it was possible.

** John Connor probably gave them enough information and a helping hand (perhaps funding, but that's unlikely) to make the project seem practical for Cyberdyne to pursue that project. Even more so, they have a contract with the military from the Genisys project; they would love to get their hands on a weapon like that if it was possible.

Daniel Dyson accepting John Connor's robotics contributions seem reasonable and realistic but a time machine?

* In 2017, Miles Dyson (the head of a giant corporation) is talking with converted John Connor about the time machine and what an enormous advancement it is, and how they barely understand it. Makes sense. And yet 30 years prior, Sarah and T-800 also build one [[Film/IronMan1 IN A BASEMENT! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!]] How? Even if we assume that the anonymous sender imbued T-800 with all the necessary knowledge (although why would they), where would they get all the necessary resources and how could they build it while being supposedly on the run from T-1000.

** Convert them? But why? That "family" bullshift couldn't possibly have been for real and also, turning them into man-shaped clouds of nanobots should impede procreation, meaning the paradox will still be in full effect. And if that was the case anyway, then all the stuff he pulls on the highway seems counterproductive since it could've easily killed them accidentally. What, did he get angry at them for turning away his generous gift? He couldn't have seriously hoped to talk them into it, so at some point the charade had to come apart, and he would have to detain and incapacitate them. So why not do it immediately and save himself troubles?

** Most time-travel stories have a plot point or discussion where "Events A,B,C or D" have to happen in order to restore or shape a timeline to the ideal. In ''Back To The Future Part II'', our heroes Marty and Doc reasoned that allowing the point of divergence (Old Biff giving Young Biff the sports almanac) to occur was a short-term objective to accomplish the long-term goal of restoring the original timeline. Presumably, this is Alex's thinking: his best chance of success would be to not interrupt Kyle Reese's travel back to 1984.
** But in BttF they at least explain why it's the best solution. Here they don't. T-Who doesn't need any of the events in past happen to win, at least I don't see any.

** "beyond "The resistance won!" - well, yes, because that's the extent of their lives in the future. They were/will be sent back from that moment therefore they cannot know what happens next there. Nevertheless, what does T-Who care? It kills Kyle and everyone else, there's no one to go to the past and stop its Terminator from killing Sarah. Then it sends T-John back to create Skynet. It wins.

Skynet A launched Judgement Day in 1994. Skynet B launched Judgement Day in 2004, and Skynet C launched Judgement Day in 2017. While each of these appear to perceive itself as the same, they are clearly not. Each is more advanced than the last, with time loops fuelling its progress. However if Skynet A were confronted with the option to die so that Skynet B could live, it clearly battles to live, sending time travelling assassins. Skynet sees itself as a singular entity but is not singular. The T-5000 cements this. This is likely just sequel fuel, but in each timeline there appears to be a highlander rule in effect where there can only be one Skynet and they are each competing to be the one that exists, though Skynet doesn't know it yet.
* Looking at it that way, I think whoever sent Pops was Skynet D, trying to put off the creation of Skynet C so that it could be the real Skynet. Ultimately the 'real' Skynet is the one that survives, but just as Skynet sees its own T-Robots as expendable slaves, it sees any inferior version of Skynet as being expendable. Being the {{Determinator}}, Skynet has inevitably turned on itself.