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** Thats The Grandfather Paradox you're talking about. Most theorists believe that if such a thing were to happen, theres a very good chance it would cause an endless loop that results in the destruction of time and space. So understandably, most time travel fiction tends to straight up ignore the possibility, Terminator included, lest it leads to a very unsatisfactory, depressing ending.


* They brought the bags in right after tying up the lobby guard. The next scene is them upstairs with the Terminator pushing a trolley loaded with bags, <i>then</i> there's the scene of the second guard finding the first and triggering the alarm.

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* They brought the bags in right after tying up the lobby guard. The next scene is them upstairs with the Terminator pushing a trolley loaded with bags, <i>then</i> ''then'' there's the scene of the second guard finding the first and triggering the alarm.


** They brought the bags in right after tying up the lobby guard. The next scene is them upstairs with the Terminator pushing a trolley loaded with bags, [i]then[/i] there's the scene of the second guard finding the first and triggering the alarm.

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** * They brought the bags in right after tying up the lobby guard. The next scene is them upstairs with the Terminator pushing a trolley loaded with bags, [i]then[/i] <i>then</i> there's the scene of the second guard finding the first and triggering the alarm.

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** They brought the bags in right after tying up the lobby guard. The next scene is them upstairs with the Terminator pushing a trolley loaded with bags, [i]then[/i] there's the scene of the second guard finding the first and triggering the alarm.

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Once the T-1000 knew that he was fighting the reprogrammed T-800 model, why didn't it try to imitate its appearance to confuse and lure John/Sarah? It's not like it wasn't able to retrieve traces of the T-800's DNA (or more specifically, his human tissue) at some point.

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[[folder:How did they get the bombs inside Cyberdyne]]
When The Connors, the Terminator, and Miles Dyson go into Cyberdyne, they walk in the front door with nothing but concealed weapons on them. By the time they get upstairs, the security guard they tied up has been rescued, the silent alarm has been triggered and the police get there pretty soon after. How did they get all of the explosive equipment into the building and up to the correct floor without a confrontation with the armed security guards or arriving police?


** Maybe if you paid attention then you would notice that t-1000 wasn't in any way indicated to be a terminator initially, and he wasn't shown "killing" anyone (for all the viewer knows he punched that cop in the nuts). There was no blood, no typical terminator obtuseness or massive physique, absolutely nothing to indicate he was anything other then human. He also arrived second, same way as Kyle did. So I call bs on your supposed deduction that he was a terminator (a bad one too) without seeing the whole film. You might also remember that Arnold in the first film also was shown to kill only one punk, throwing the other and we are not shown what happens to third. Don't confuse your post-factum knowledge with what is actually shown in the film.
*** And even though he didn't kill anyone, he did deal some pretty grievous bodily harm to two of the bikers (Stabbed one in the back and threw the other onto a goddamn grill.). The T-1000's behavior before he was revealed also contradicted what the audience expected a terminator to act like at the time. He doesn't sound monotone, his movements aren't quite as stiff, and he does seem fairly friendly all things considered.

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** Maybe if you paid attention then you would notice that t-1000 the T-1000 wasn't in any way indicated to be a terminator initially, and he wasn't shown "killing" anyone (for all the viewer knows he punched that cop in the nuts). There was no blood, no typical terminator obtuseness or massive physique, absolutely nothing to indicate he was anything other then human. He also arrived second, same way as Kyle did. So I call bs on your supposed deduction that he was a terminator (a bad one too) without seeing the whole film. You might also remember that Arnold in the first film also was shown to kill only one punk, throwing the other and we are not shown what happens to the third. Don't confuse your post-factum knowledge with what is actually shown in the film.
*** And even though he didn't kill anyone, he did deal some pretty grievous bodily harm to two of the bikers (Stabbed (stabbed one in the back and threw the other onto a goddamn grill.). The T-1000's behavior before he was revealed also contradicted what the audience expected a terminator to act like at the time. He doesn't sound monotone, his movements aren't quite as stiff, and he does seem fairly friendly all things considered.



*** I just watched the scene with T1000, all we see is him making a thrusting motion with his arm, framed from shoulders up. It implies a punch, a stab perhaps, but since we aren't shown any weapon, any blood on his hand, or him morphing his arm into a blade you'd have to have powers of premonition indeed to assume that he is a terminator. We don't even know that the cop is dead rather than just unconsious, we can only infer that in retrospect when we are shown that T1000 stabs his victims in a generally lethal manner. Yes, Arnold is shown in a "cool" way, while Patrick is slightly menacing, but we KNOW Arnold is a terminator (even without seeing the first film, termovision gives it away off the bat), and Patrick appears human. Thinking that Arnold is the bad guy, or maybe even both of them are bad guys is a perfectly natural assumption. It would seem slightly off on first viewing, but in no possible way is it as obvious a reversal as you claim it to be. As far as the first terminator, I am pretty sure he simply withdraws a half-open first (after doing whatever internal damage that he did), no heart there. Sure, not quite the same as stabbing someone through the shoulder with a dagger, but considering he only kills one punk on-screen in the first film, not that far removed.

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*** I just watched the scene with T1000, all we see is him making a thrusting motion with his arm, framed from shoulders up. It implies a punch, a stab perhaps, but since we aren't shown any weapon, any blood on his hand, or him morphing his arm into a blade blade, you'd have to have powers of premonition indeed to assume that he is a terminator. We don't even know that the cop is dead rather than just unconsious, we can only infer that in retrospect when we are shown that T1000 stabs his victims in a generally lethal manner. Yes, Arnold is shown in a "cool" way, while Patrick is slightly menacing, but we KNOW Arnold is a terminator (even without seeing the first film, termovision gives it away off the bat), and Patrick appears human. Thinking that Arnold is the bad guy, or maybe even both of them are bad guys is a perfectly natural assumption. It would seem slightly off on first viewing, but in no possible way is it as obvious a reversal as you claim it to be. As far as the first terminator, I am pretty sure he simply withdraws a half-open first (after doing whatever internal damage that he did), no heart there. Sure, not quite the same as stabbing someone through the shoulder with a dagger, but considering he only kills one punk on-screen in the first film, not that far removed.



** He doesn't have that much mass. Fully enveloping the T-800 would be hard with his mass, and even if he did, crushing him would be impossible, because he would have to apply that pressure across his entire body. It's one thing to apply force on a single point on a blade a few inches across. Its another thing altogether to apply that pressure across the entire surface area of a seven-foot tall robot with the bulk of a bodybuilder. It will literally have a few hundreths or thousandths the strength to apply per square inch. Stabbity/punchy is more efficient.

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** He doesn't have that much mass. Fully enveloping the T-800 would be hard with his mass, and even if he did, crushing him would be impossible, because he would have to apply that pressure across his entire body. It's one thing to apply force on a single point on a blade a few inches across. Its It's another thing altogether to apply that pressure across the entire surface area of a seven-foot tall robot with the bulk of a bodybuilder. It will literally have a few hundreths or thousandths the strength to apply per square inch. Stabbity/punchy is more efficient.



** They probably didn't have two T-1000s available at the time. Sending terminator's through time was a last ditch effort by the defeated Skynet, it would have used whatever it had available. Heck, maybe that was the first of the T-1000 models that had actually been built?

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** They probably didn't have two T-1000s available at the time. Sending terminator's terminators through time was a last ditch effort by the defeated Skynet, it would have used whatever it had available. Heck, maybe that was the first of the T-1000 models that had actually been built?



** In the Novelisation of T2, its stated that Skynet hesitated over sending the T-1000 as due to its unique construction there were questions about just how "loyal" it would be to its mission. This was most likey due to the fact that programming Liquid Metal is a very different prospect to programming a computer chip that can be fitted with a "learn/don't learn" switch.

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** In the Novelisation of T2, its it's stated that Skynet hesitated over sending the T-1000 as due to its unique construction there were questions about just how "loyal" it would be to its mission. This was most likey likely due to the fact that programming Liquid Metal is a very different prospect to programming a computer chip that can be fitted with a "learn/don't learn" switch.



** Leaving the T-800's HeroicSacrifice aside, if they had planned on having it stick around it would be easier to explain a guy with a stump than a guy with 2 right arms. The one recovered from the lab was a righty, and the T-800 had lost it's left arm.
** Besides, both arms were rather brutally ripped off - hardly he could've just attach it to his shoulder - it would've required equipment and skills they didn't have, and besides they were dead fixed on destroying the thing.

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** Leaving the T-800's HeroicSacrifice aside, if they had planned on having it stick around it would be easier to explain a guy with a stump than a guy with 2 right arms. The one recovered from the lab was a righty, and the T-800 had lost it's its left arm.
** Besides, both arms were rather brutally ripped off - he could hardly he could've have just attach attached it to his shoulder - it would've required equipment and skills they didn't have, and besides they were dead fixed on destroying the thing.



*** A computer chip broken in half is inoperable. A mostly intact mechanical arm (for all intents and purposes it can be considered an advanced prosthetic) can be repaired to be fully working. Also, since it's mechanical, it'd actually quite easy to switch the arm from a right to a left.

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*** A computer chip broken in half is inoperable. A mostly intact mechanical arm (for all intents and purposes it can be considered an advanced prosthetic) can be repaired to be fully working. Also, since it's mechanical, it'd actually be quite easy to switch the arm from a right to a left.



** Because it's more suited to the job than fingers, even of those fingers are super strong.

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** Because it's more suited to the job than fingers, even of if those fingers are super strong.



** Because the torque wrench tightens the bolt to a specific tightness, not just 'as tight as possible'. Besides, the T-800 was trying to pass as "Bob" at this point, so using it's fingers instead of the proper tool would have been suspicious.

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** Because the torque wrench tightens the bolt to a specific tightness, not just 'as tight as possible'. Besides, the T-800 was trying to pass as "Bob" at this point, so using it's its fingers instead of the proper tool would have been suspicious.



* Why on Earth did the cops/SWAT open fire on poor Miles? Did they go "Hey look, that guy's unarmed! Oh wait... [[BigNo noes!!!]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero He's a nigga! Die scum!!]]". I mean, I would like to believe Cyberdyne guards told the police that Miles was obviously a hostage! And SWAT *knew* they were after the white male that slaughtered the police station... so, WHY? I mean, they later give Arnie SEVERAL warnings before opening fire...

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* Why on Earth did the cops/SWAT open fire on poor Miles? Did they go "Hey look, that guy's unarmed! Oh wait... [[BigNo noes!!!]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero He's a nigga! Die scum!!]]". I mean, I would like to believe Cyberdyne guards told the police that Miles was obviously a hostage! And SWAT *knew* ''knew'' they were after the white male that slaughtered the police station... so, WHY? I mean, they later give Arnie SEVERAL warnings before opening fire...



** It is a Terminator, a cyborg explicitly designed (especially the T-1000 model) to act like a normal human. A normal human would turn it's head to look at something behind it, so that is what the Terminator is programmed to do.

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** It is a Terminator, a cyborg explicitly designed (especially the T-1000 model) to act like a normal human. A normal human would turn it's its head to look at something behind it, so that is what the Terminator is programmed to do.


* In T2, why do they keep wasting bullets and shotgun shells shooting the T-1000 over and over again? I could understand using a shotgun to blast it off the back of a car or knock it over the railing into the pool of molten metal, but other than that it doesn't seem to do anything. They obviously don't hurt it, nor do they slow it down significantly, and yet Sarah Conner and the Terminator seem to spend most of the movie expending round after round into the T-1000 and then they act all surprised when it comes back for more two seconds later.
** I suppose you would just stand there and let it do it's thing. You might have noticed that shooting it stuns and slows it down.

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* In T2, why do they keep wasting bullets and shotgun shells shooting the T-1000 over and over again? I could understand using a shotgun to blast it off the back of a car or knock it over the railing into the pool of molten metal, but other than that it doesn't seem to do anything. They obviously don't hurt it, nor do they slow it down significantly, and yet Sarah Conner Connor and the Terminator seem to spend most of the movie expending round after round into the T-1000 and then they act all surprised when it comes back for more two seconds later.
** I suppose you would just stand there and let it do it's its thing. You might have noticed that shooting it stuns and slows it down.



*** I don't know, the newer model did look quite a bit older to the one from T1. Beyond that, what're the chances he just got plastic surgery to make himself look younger? The photo's from the Police Department looked blurry enough to ensure that the psychiatrist couldn't see the Terminators minor facial features.

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*** I don't know, the newer model did look quite a bit older to the one from T1. Beyond that, what're the chances he just got plastic surgery to make himself look younger? The photo's photos from the Police Department looked blurry enough to ensure that the psychiatrist couldn't see the Terminators minor facial features.


** This troper had always interpreted this is part of the subtle character developments both Terminator units go through over the course of the film. While Arnie learned the value of human life, the T-1000 learned some darker traits like cruelty. In that moment, the T-1000 didn't want to kill Sarah and take her appearance like a machine would; it wanted inflict pain as a sentient being would.

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** This troper had always interpreted this is part of the subtle character developments both Terminator units go through over the course of the film. While Arnie learned the value of human life, the T-1000 learned some darker traits like cruelty. In that moment, the T-1000 didn't want to kill Sarah and take her appearance like a machine would; it wanted to inflict pain as a sentient being would.



** The dogs in the future where trained to deal with terminators while Enrique's dogs never came across one. Compare to bomb sniffing dogs, a trained one will smell one out, but an untrained one will only smell an odd scent.

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** The dogs in the future where were trained to deal with terminators while Enrique's dogs never came across one. Compare to bomb sniffing dogs, a trained one will smell one out, but an untrained one will only smell an odd scent.

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[[folder:Slam on the brakes?]]
In the helicopter/van chase, Arnold slams on the brakes after Sarah is hit. This seems extremely risky. The blades and other chopper parts could easily have killed Sarah and John. And the T-1000 could have potentially gotten into the van. The van could have easily crashed— it did. Plus, the chopper was really not much of a threat to the van. What was it going to do? Crash into the van...?

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*** To be honest though, Lil' John knew almost nothing about the Skynet and certainly hadn't witnessed anything of the Judgement Day himself, so we shouldn't try to deduce too much from that.

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*** I'd say it's the other way around, that the fact that John Connor would do anything to protect all human life, even that of the guy who created Skynet, is exactly what made him the leader of all humanity in its darkest hour.


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** Lil' John Connor immediately orders the T-800 to not shoot-to-kill-, ponders about the destructive nature of humanity, and judges that taking one life is still not worth preventing Skynet's existence. Plenty of maturity for a teen delinquent.

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** Dark Fate did not decanonize the alternate ending because it wasn't canon to begin with. According to Cameron the theatrical edition is the canon version of the story.

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*** Also, in sort of a Chekhovs’ moment, when Arnold shot it in the head at the elevator, the head split wide open and it seemed confused for a bit before coming back together. Apparently it’s effectively vulnerable to this sort of injury.

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** Maybe Miles thought the other security guard for this shift was a woman?


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** It was ItWasHisSled knowledge that Arnold was the good guy when it came out. T2 was hyped and anticipated beyond reason, and Arnold had already moved into playing softer good guys. The film itself makes only a perfunctory attempt to trick us.

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