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*** The shipwreck washed up on the beach right? Maybe there was some cloth on the vessel- or that's just a really, REALLY dirty piece of a sail.
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** Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but perhaps he shaves the same way...
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** Well, in the books its books, it's mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but perhaps he shaves the same way...way…
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** Even if his father had facial hair there's no guarantee that Tarzan would be able to grow it too. as for body hair, well, anatomical accuracy has never been very high on Disney's list. Very few of their character who should have body hair do (Gaston only has if for a short gag during his song and then it's never seen again).
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** Even if his father had facial hair hair, there's no guarantee that Tarzan would be able to grow it too. as As for body hair, well, anatomical accuracy has never been very high on Disney's list. Very few of their character who should have body hair do (Gaston only has if for a short gag during his song and then it's never seen again). \n
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** In a fight Apes go for the groin and his should be an esser target then any ape.
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*** At least in the Disney movie, when the gorillas Kala first find him found him, he has a diaper on. Maybe they thought he had to have a piece of cloth around him for some reason based on that? Don't ask where they got the loincloth, though.
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*** Wait, Terk is a ''girl''?! I don't have a problem with Terk being a female gorilla, but still...What's wrong, Disney? Can't bear to have a female not be the DamselInDistress?
* Dear God, did Disney want us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?! Seriously?!
** I came on the page and the first thing I saw was 'female ape Terk', and you should have seen the epic double take
* When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them. Except... he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, he cannot speak English when he first meets white men; he is taught to speak by a Frenchman during his first sea voyage. The Frenchman's English is poor, and so he uses Tarzan's written English as a basis for instruction, but teaches him French vocabulary. Thus, he learns that ape is pronounced "singe," man is pronounced "homme" and water is pronounced "eau.".
* Dear God, did Disney want us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?! Seriously?!
** I came on the page and the first thing I saw was 'female ape Terk', and you should have seen the epic double take
* When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them. Except... he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, he cannot speak English when he first meets white men; he is taught to speak by a Frenchman during his first sea voyage. The Frenchman's English is poor, and so he uses Tarzan's written English as a basis for instruction, but teaches him French vocabulary. Thus, he learns that ape is pronounced "singe," man is pronounced "homme" and water is pronounced "eau.".
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*** Wait, Terk is a ''girl''?! I don't have a problem with Terk being a female gorilla, but still...What's still…What's wrong, Disney? Can't bear to have a female not be the DamselInDistress?
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* [[ViewerGenderConfusion Dear God, did Disney want us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?!Seriously?!
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** I came on the page and the first thing I saw was 'female ape Terk', and you should have seen the epicdouble take
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* From the book: When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them.Except... Except… he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, he cannot speak English when he first meets white men; he is taught to speak by a Frenchman during his first sea voyage. The Frenchman's English is poor, and so he uses Tarzan's written English as a basis for instruction, but teaches him French vocabulary. Thus, he learns that ape is pronounced "singe," man is pronounced "homme" and water is pronounced"eau."."eau".
* [[ViewerGenderConfusion Dear God, did Disney want us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?!
** I came on the page and the first thing I saw was 'female ape Terk', and you should have seen the epic
* From the book: When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them.
** In the book, he cannot speak English when he first meets white men; he is taught to speak by a Frenchman during his first sea voyage. The Frenchman's English is poor, and so he uses Tarzan's written English as a basis for instruction, but teaches him French vocabulary. Thus, he learns that ape is pronounced "singe," man is pronounced "homme" and water is pronounced
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*** Maybe an American accent is closest to the accent an ape speaking english as a foreign language would have...
*** Except that if you speak Spanish, Japanese or any other language, when they teach you English you would try to imitate the accent of the person teaching you, you could have your own accent thrown in, but British english and American english right out say words differently since vowel are not pronounce the same, he would had said the word coffee as "coh-feh" instead of "co-fy" in american english.
*** Except that if you speak Spanish, Japanese or any other language, when they teach you English you would try to imitate the accent of the person teaching you, you could have your own accent thrown in, but British english and American english right out say words differently since vowel are not pronounce the same, he would had said the word coffee as "coh-feh" instead of "co-fy" in american english.
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*** Maybe an American accent is closest to the accent an ape speaking english English as a foreign language would have...
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*** Except that if you speak Spanish,Japanese Japanese, or any other language, when they teach you English you would try to imitate the accent of the person teaching you, you you. You could have your own accent thrown in, but British english English and American english English right out say words differently since vowel are not pronounce the same, he would had said the word coffee as "coh-feh" instead of "co-fy" in american english.American English.
*** Except that if you speak Spanish,
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*** He didn't say his name "in English". He just said his name--the noises that conveyed his identity. Would've been a different story if he'd said "Tarzan", and followed it up with "which means 'White Skin' in the language of the apes", like some bar-hopping popped-collar douchebag pompously telling you that "Keith means 'forest' in Gaelic."
* This troper remembers readin a Tarzan book where he encounters two tribes headed by ugly-looking brothers, both of whom have strange star charts in their rooms. Tarzan postulates that they may be aliens. Then this is forgotten and never brought up again. You'd think the discovery of alien life would be a pretty significant thing.
* This troper remembers readin a Tarzan book where he encounters two tribes headed by ugly-looking brothers, both of whom have strange star charts in their rooms. Tarzan postulates that they may be aliens. Then this is forgotten and never brought up again. You'd think the discovery of alien life would be a pretty significant thing.
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*** He didn't say his name "in English". He just said his name--the name—the noises that conveyed his identity. Would've been a different story if he'd said "Tarzan", and followed it up with "which means 'White Skin' in the language of the apes", like some bar-hopping popped-collar douchebag pompously telling you that "Keith means 'forest' in Gaelic."
* This troper remembersreadin readin' a Tarzan book where he encounters two tribes headed by ugly-looking brothers, both of whom have strange star charts in their rooms. Tarzan postulates that they may be aliens. Then this is forgotten and never brought up again. You'd think the discovery of alien life would be a pretty significant thing.thing.
** Maybe not so for gorillas.
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** Maybe not so for gorillas.
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*** At least in the Disney movie, when the gorillas first find him he has a diaper on. Maybe they thought he had to have a piece of cloth around him for some reason based on that? Don't ask where they got the loincloth, though.
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*** He has examples from the picture books in his father's cabin.
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*** Except that it's implied that his interaction with Jane was his first encounter with anyone of his species.
** I wonder where exactly he GOT the loincloth in the first place.
** I wonder where exactly he GOT the loincloth in the first place.
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** Even if his father had facial hair there's no guarantee that Tarzan would be able to grow it too. as for body hair, well, anatomical accuracy has never been very high on Disney's list. Very few of their character who should have body hair do (Gaston only has if for a short gag during his song and then it's never seen again).
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** In the Disney movie he does initially mimic Jane's English accent until he learns how to actually speak English, hen slipping into Tony Goldwyn's American accent. Maybe an ape accent just sounds American?
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** Kerchak doesn't tell Tarzan that he was right, he only requests forgiveness for not accepting him as his son and as a member of the family.
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** Chalk it up to LazyArtist. Animating Tarzan's movements with body hair would likely add a lot of work (and thus, cost) considering his ''very'' involved movements. This could also be why he has no facial hair, though that could be chalked up to TheCoconutEffect (as Tarzan is almost always seen clean shaven).
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*** He didn't say his name "in English". He just said his name--the noises that conveyed his identity. Would've been a different story if he'd said "Tarzan", and followed it up with "which means 'White Skin' in the language of the apes", like some bar-hopping popped-collar douchebag pompously telling you that "Keith means 'forest' in Gaelic."
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* This troper remembers readin a Tarzan book where he encounters two tribes headed by ugly-looking brothers, both of whom have strange star charts in their rooms. Tarzan postulates that they may be aliens. Then this is forgotten and never brought up again. You'd think the discovery of alien life would be a pretty significant thing.
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*** Because no one wants to see a nude cartoon boy running around? That's why Disney's TheJungleBook had Mowgli run around in what amounts to red underwear.
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*** Wait, Terk is a ''girl''?! I don't have a problem with Terk being a female gorilla, but still...What's wrong, Disney? Can't bear to have a female not be the DamselInDistress?
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*** Which would be believable if it wasn't for the fact that Tarzan said his name in English BEFORE Jane and her father taught him how to speak.
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*** Except that if you speak Spanish, Japanese or any other language, when they teach you English you would try to imitate the accent of the person teaching you, you could have your own accent thrown in, but British english and American english right out say words differently since vowel are not pronounce the same, he would had said the word coffee as "coh-feh" instead of "co-fy" in american english.
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*** In the book I'm pretty sure it says the apes (which are more of a mishmash of gorillas, chimps, and extinct hominids) can speak, and "Tarzan" is his name in their language.
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* How did Tarzan know how to say "Tarzan" in English, when introducing himself to Jane? Unless gorillas can say "Tarzan" in English, too, his real name wouldn't have sounded like that.
** Perhaps "Tarzan" is the closest thing to a word his name is.
** Tarzan is taught to learn English by Jane and her father yet speaks with an American accent. Having been taught by two British people, shouldn't he pronounce words the same way as them?
*** Maybe an American accent is closest to the accent an ape speaking english as a foreign language would have...
** Perhaps "Tarzan" is the closest thing to a word his name is.
** Tarzan is taught to learn English by Jane and her father yet speaks with an American accent. Having been taught by two British people, shouldn't he pronounce words the same way as them?
*** Maybe an American accent is closest to the accent an ape speaking english as a foreign language would have...
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** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
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** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters cannot speak English when he first meets white men; he is taught to speak by a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, Frenchman during his first sea voyage. The Frenchman's English is poor, and so I'm fuzzy on the details, he uses Tarzan's written English as a basis for instruction, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
French vocabulary. Thus, he learns that ape is pronounced "singe," man is pronounced "homme" and water is pronounced "eau.".
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** In the novel, Tarzan learns from the books in his parents' cabin that he is not an ape, but a man. As far as he can tell, the main distinctions between an ape and a man are that men wear clothes, and they also shave. So he takes some clothes off a native hunter, then discards most of them.
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** That's her personality. Nothin' outta place there.
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* Dear God, did Disney *want* us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?! **Seriously?!**
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* Dear God, did Disney *want* want us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?! **Seriously?!**
Seriously?!
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* When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them. Except... he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
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* Dear God, did Disney *want* us not to know what Terk's gender was?!?! **Seriously?!**
* When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them. Except... he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
* When Tarzan was old enough to explore the jungle on his own, he found his parents' house and discovered books there, including some reading primers. Through long hours of study, he was able to decipher the words, teaching himself the English language. When he later encountered white folks, he was able to communicate with them. Except... he spoke with them verbally, something he would NOT have been able to teach himself from books. Sure, maybe it's possible for him to teach himself to read and write English words that way, but having never heard the words he'd have no idea how to pronounce them, or understand someone else saying them! Pronunciation cannot be conveyed through the written word if you haven't already heard those sounds and associated them with the letters that represent them!
** In the book, there's a chapter or two where he encounters a man in the jungle. It's been about ten years since I read it, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but the man discovers Tarzan can read and write, and teaches him spoken language, so the next time Tarzan encounters people, he's fluent in French.
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* Terk is Tarzan's best friend, and it no doubt shows, but she certainly doesn't have much of a spine whenever they get in trouble and Kerchak appears.
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** In a fight Apes go for the groin and his should be an esser target then any ape.
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* Also from the Disney version, just before [[spoiler:the death of Kerchak]], the dying character says Tarzan was right about the other humans, and that Tarzan should protect the family of gorillas. But, Tarzan ended up leading the humans right to the gorillas, which is what Kerchak was so worried about. Tarzan didn't ''mean'' to, of course, but he indirectly put his gorilla family in danger. How is that being "right?"
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*** His father had a pretty bitchin' mustache, but his chin was clean-shaven.
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** Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but peraphs he shaves the same way...
* What I never understood is Tarzan's loincloth. Theoretically, a boy raised by apes would see no need for modesty. Unless he was made fun of because humans are roughly four times as "big" as gorillas.
* What I never understood is Tarzan's loincloth. Theoretically, a boy raised by apes would see no need for modesty. Unless he was made fun of because humans are roughly four times as "big" as gorillas.
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** Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but peraphs perhaps he shaves the same way...
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**Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but peraphs he shaves the same way...way...
* What I never understood is Tarzan's loincloth. Theoretically, a boy raised by apes would see no need for modesty. Unless he was made fun of because humans are roughly four times as "big" as gorillas.
* What I never understood is Tarzan's loincloth. Theoretically, a boy raised by apes would see no need for modesty. Unless he was made fun of because humans are roughly four times as "big" as gorillas.
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**It's not just the facial hair, either. Except for his head (and presumably in one other place we can't see), he doesn't have hair ''anywhere''.
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**It's not just the facial hair, either. Except for his head (and presumably in one other place we can't see), he doesn't have hair ''anywhere''.''anywhere''.
**Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but peraphs he shaves the same way...
**Well, in the books its mentioned he shaves his facial hair with a knife to distinguish himself from the Mangani, after having discovered his human origins. Yeah, I know they are different universes, but peraphs he shaves the same way...