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*** Whistler knew due to Rhyzkov'searlier statement:
Dr. Elena Rhyzkov: I leave message here on service, but you do not call.
Answering Service companies were more prevalent in the 1970s and 80s.
So, Whistler deduced that if Gunter has an answering service, why would he need an answering machine?
Dr. Elena Rhyzkov: I leave message here on service, but you do not call.
Answering Service companies were more prevalent in the 1970s and 80s.
So, Whistler deduced that if Gunter has an answering service, why would he need an answering machine?
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*** Whistler knew due to Rhyzkov'searlier statement:
Dr. Elena Rhyzkov: IRhyzkov's earlier statement: "I leave message here on service, but you do not call.
call." Answering Service companies were more prevalent in the 1970s and 80s.
80s. So, Whistler deduced that if Gunter has an answering service, why would he need an answering machine?
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*** Alternatively, the NSA notices their petty demands and finds them quaint rather than threatening. Especially given the way they dealt with Cosno.
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*** Alternatively, the NSA notices their petty demands and finds them quaint rather than threatening. Especially given the way they dealt with Cosno.Cosmo.
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** Experience, presumably. Whistler's heard Bishop list off objects in order of arrangement often enough that it's better-than-even odds he's doing it this time, too. Alternately, Whistler's making an educated guess. [[FridgeLogic How many people would keep a jar of pencils between the lamp and the answering machine?]]
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** Experience, presumably. Whistler's heard Bishop list off objects in order of arrangement often enough that it's better-than-even odds he's doing it this time, too. Alternately, Whistler's making an educated guess. [[FridgeLogic How many people would keep a jar of pencils between the lamp and the answering machine?]]machine?]]
*** Whistler knew due to Rhyzkov'searlier statement:
Dr. Elena Rhyzkov: I leave message here on service, but you do not call.
Answering Service companies were more prevalent in the 1970s and 80s.
So, Whistler deduced that if Gunter has an answering service, why would he need an answering machine?
*** Whistler knew due to Rhyzkov'searlier statement:
Dr. Elena Rhyzkov: I leave message here on service, but you do not call.
Answering Service companies were more prevalent in the 1970s and 80s.
So, Whistler deduced that if Gunter has an answering service, why would he need an answering machine?
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*** The things that they're asking for are expensive on a personal level... but for the NSA? Even if you go super-generous and say that it'd cost, in total, $500,000 in early 90's money, that's still a rounding error for the NSA, and it's better to be exasperated and play along than it is to risk any contingency plans the team might have set up.
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*** Alternatively, the NSA notices their petty demands and finds them quaint rather than threatening. Especially given the way they dealt with Cosno.
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* Would the NSA really not notice the (modular) main component of the Macguffin had been removed and buy Bishop's claim that it never worked? Seems like they would be coming back around in short order...
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* Would the NSA really not notice the (modular) main component of the Macguffin MacGuffin had been removed and buy Bishop's claim that it never worked? Seems like they would be coming back around in short order...
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** He works on a team with a guy called "Whistler". It's a reference to the famous painting "Whistler's Mother".
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** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]].
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** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], ''Series/TheAvengers1960s'', the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]].
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* How did Whistler know that the black box/answering machine on Dr. Janek's desk was between the pencil jar and the lamp? Sure, Bishop described the contents of the desk as "telephone, lamp, answering machine, a jar of pencils," but it's a pretty big leap to assume that they were arranged in the exact order he listed them.
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* How did Whistler know that the black box/answering machine on Dr. Janek's desk was between the pencil jar and the lamp? Sure, Bishop described the contents of the desk as "telephone, lamp, answering machine, a jar of pencils," but it's a pretty big leap to assume that they were arranged in the exact order he listed them.them.
** Experience, presumably. Whistler's heard Bishop list off objects in order of arrangement often enough that it's better-than-even odds he's doing it this time, too. Alternately, Whistler's making an educated guess. [[FridgeLogic How many people would keep a jar of pencils between the lamp and the answering machine?]]
** Experience, presumably. Whistler's heard Bishop list off objects in order of arrangement often enough that it's better-than-even odds he's doing it this time, too. Alternately, Whistler's making an educated guess. [[FridgeLogic How many people would keep a jar of pencils between the lamp and the answering machine?]]
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** Whistler is probably a reference to Joe Engressia, who was born blind, had perfect pitch and accidentally discovered as a child that whistling at certain pitches into the phone would cause the line to switch. He was also nicknamed "Whistler" for this.
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** Whistler is probably a reference to Joe Engressia, who was born blind, had perfect pitch and accidentally discovered as a child that whistling at certain pitches into the phone would cause the line to switch. He was also nicknamed "Whistler" for this.this.
* How did Bishop know the spelling of "Setec", given that he'd only heard the name mentioned once and hadn't seen it in writing?
** Presumably it's written on the fax sheet Dick Gordon hands him as they're discussing the project. Gordon says their information comes from that fax, which they intercepted.
* How did Whistler know that the black box/answering machine on Dr. Janek's desk was between the pencil jar and the lamp? Sure, Bishop described the contents of the desk as "telephone, lamp, answering machine, a jar of pencils," but it's a pretty big leap to assume that they were arranged in the exact order he listed them.
* How did Bishop know the spelling of "Setec", given that he'd only heard the name mentioned once and hadn't seen it in writing?
** Presumably it's written on the fax sheet Dick Gordon hands him as they're discussing the project. Gordon says their information comes from that fax, which they intercepted.
* How did Whistler know that the black box/answering machine on Dr. Janek's desk was between the pencil jar and the lamp? Sure, Bishop described the contents of the desk as "telephone, lamp, answering machine, a jar of pencils," but it's a pretty big leap to assume that they were arranged in the exact order he listed them.
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** Or likely a nod to James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA's counterintelligence staff throughout a good chunk of the Cold War. "Mother" was the best-known of his nicknames. While singularly capable at his work, his paranoia that there was a mole in the agency was legendary.
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** Or likely a nod to James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA's counterintelligence staff throughout a good chunk of the Cold War. "Mother" was the best-known of his nicknames. While singularly capable at his work, his paranoia that there was a mole in the agency was legendary.legendary.
** Whistler is probably a reference to Joe Engressia, who was born blind, had perfect pitch and accidentally discovered as a child that whistling at certain pitches into the phone would cause the line to switch. He was also nicknamed "Whistler" for this.
** Whistler is probably a reference to Joe Engressia, who was born blind, had perfect pitch and accidentally discovered as a child that whistling at certain pitches into the phone would cause the line to switch. He was also nicknamed "Whistler" for this.
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** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]].
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** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]]."Mother"]].
** Or likely a nod to James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA's counterintelligence staff throughout a good chunk of the Cold War. "Mother" was the best-known of his nicknames. While singularly capable at his work, his paranoia that there was a mole in the agency was legendary.
** Or likely a nod to James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA's counterintelligence staff throughout a good chunk of the Cold War. "Mother" was the best-known of his nicknames. While singularly capable at his work, his paranoia that there was a mole in the agency was legendary.
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* Everyone's nickname I can sort of understand, except for Mother's. Crease is former CIA, so he is always very by-the-book, like a suit crease. Whistler has the best ears in the business, and so could probably hear soft things like whistling. Bish is short for Bishop, Bishop's last name. So why is Mother called Mother? He's not exactly the TeamMom of the group. Why does he have that as a nick name?
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* Everyone's nickname I can sort of understand, except for Mother's. Crease is former CIA, so he is always very by-the-book, like a suit crease. Whistler has the best ears in the business, and so could probably hear soft things like whistling. Bish is short for Bishop, Bishop's last name. So why is Mother called Mother? He's not exactly the TeamMom of the group. Why does he have that as a nick name?name?
** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]].
** A possible influence for the name: In the TV series [[Series/TheAvengers The Avengers]], the head of the nebulous spy agency that employs Steed is codenamed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_%28The_Avengers%29 "Mother"]].
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** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. They would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.
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** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. They would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.necessary.
* Everyone's nickname I can sort of understand, except for Mother's. Crease is former CIA, so he is always very by-the-book, like a suit crease. Whistler has the best ears in the business, and so could probably hear soft things like whistling. Bish is short for Bishop, Bishop's last name. So why is Mother called Mother? He's not exactly the TeamMom of the group. Why does he have that as a nick name?
* Everyone's nickname I can sort of understand, except for Mother's. Crease is former CIA, so he is always very by-the-book, like a suit crease. Whistler has the best ears in the business, and so could probably hear soft things like whistling. Bish is short for Bishop, Bishop's last name. So why is Mother called Mother? He's not exactly the TeamMom of the group. Why does he have that as a nick name?
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** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. The would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.
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** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. The They would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.
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** Because in this movie, our government doesn't kill civilians. When Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!" And Crease should know where the US draws the line; he's a CIA veteran.
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** Because in this movie, our government doesn't kill civilians. When Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!" And Crease should know where the US draws the line; he's a CIA veteran.veteran.
** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. The would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.
** I wouldn't think Abbot can cover up just ''anything''. The good guys seem genre savvy enough that their first act would be to dig up enough dirt about NSA and other government organizations to cause much more trouble than they are worth and secret that information away with a "in case anything happens to us" public release clause. The would have the credibility and connections to do that too, being a security enterprise with a good track record and a former CIA operative on board. It's also worth remembering the time this film came out: 1992 was right in the aftermath of the fall of communism where NSA and CIA were trying to maintain justifications for their existence with the one "big enemy" gone. A bigger problem in my opinion would be what stops ''Cosmo'' from coming to retake the black box with any means necessary.
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** Because in this movie, our government doesn't kill people. When Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"
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** Because in this movie, our government doesn't kill people. civilians. When Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"ours!" And Crease should know where the US draws the line; he's a CIA veteran.
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** Because when Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"
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** Because when in this movie, our government doesn't kill people. When Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"
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* Ummmm.... why is it possible for Bishop and co to blackmail Mr. Abbot at the end of the movie? Abbot has the guys with guns and the infrastructure to cover up anything he does to them. I get that they don't *have* to shoot the gang, but they can rather than let them blab to the world about the NSA's new toy. Certainly the situation is nothing approaching "having the NSA by the balls". As Crease pointed out earlier - there isn't a government on Earth that wouldn't kill them all for that thing. The NSA is exempt.... why?
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* Ummmm.... why is it possible for Bishop and co to blackmail Mr. Abbot at the end of the movie? Abbot has the guys with guns and the infrastructure to cover up anything he does to them. I get that they don't *have* to shoot the gang, but they can rather than let them blab to the world about the NSA's new toy. Certainly the situation is nothing approaching "having the NSA by the balls". As Crease pointed out earlier - there isn't a government on Earth that wouldn't kill them all for that thing. The NSA is exempt.... why?why?
** Because when Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"
** Because when Martin questions Crease about that very statement earlier in the film -- "You said it last night, there isn't a government on earth that wouldn't kill for that thing" -- Crease emphatically adds, "Not ours!"
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* Ummmm.... why is it possible for Bishop and co to blackmail Mr. Abbot at the end of the movie? Abbot has the guys with guns and the infrastructure to cover up anything he does to them. I get that they don't *have* to shoot the gang, but they can rather than let them blab to the world about the NSA's new toy. Certainly the situation is nothing approaching "having the NSA by the balls". As Crease pointed out earlier - there isn't a government on Earth that wouldn't kill them all for that thing. The NSA is exempt.... why?
