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** She wasn't aware of it. [spoiler:Remember, Alessa is extremely powerful, but ONLY within the bounds of Silent Hill, so she probably isn't directly aware of things that happen outside her area of influence; Heather does have those memories dormant in her psyche, but the actual powers of Alessa remain in the town itself (which is what makes the Possessed ending so meaningful: she 'picks up' the evil power of Alessa while she's in town). Heather regains the memories and subconscious powers of Alessa AFTER she returns to Silent Hill, which she only does after Harry is murdered. That was the point of killing him: Claudia wanted her to go back to Silent Hill and become Alessa again.]]
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** Or to put it another way, Alessa and Heather aren't separate people. Heather is Alessa with AmnesiacDissonance, and "Memory of Alessa" is an EnemyWithout created by the dissonance between her memories of being Alessa and her current personality as Heather. Alessa stepping in to save Harry would really just be Heather unconsciously using her powers, and Heather didn't know Harry was in danger.
** Or to put it another way, Alessa and Heather aren't separate people. Heather is Alessa with AmnesiacDissonance, and "Memory of Alessa" is an EnemyWithout created by the dissonance between her memories of being Alessa and her current personality as Heather. Alessa stepping in to save Harry would really just be Heather unconsciously using her powers, and Heather didn't know Harry was in danger.
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*** Well, if she didn't give into the hatred, it would've been weird for a couple of reasons: one, because she's a teenage girl whose personality did not lend itself to just letting things go, two, because the other option is letting it slowly grow inside her and slowly feeding on the sufferings of everyday life until she birthed it in her own kitchen when one of her kids announces he's seriously dropping out of Harvard in order to devote himself to becoming the first transsexual zoophiliac to have genital contact with a porpoise in a zero-G environment or something, and three, because if it were that easy, there wouldn't be a game. Alessa, after all that time, was the one creature in Silent Hill that was ultimately still good; she was willing to sacrifice "her" well-being in order to make sure the god could be born incomplete and therefore mortal enough to BE killed. If it hadn't been forced into an incomplete maturity, aborted and then birthed from the wrong vessel, it would eventually have grown to full power and been unleashed on the world outside of Silent Hill. It didn't work out for Heather, obviously, and it didn't satisfy the anger and hurt of all the people who suffered, but that was never the point: the point was to ''solve the problem'', not to comfort the masses. That's really the difference between the good guys and the bad guys in Silent Hill: the good guys get shit done, the bad guys use the balm of faith to gloss over the ugliness of the reality of what's going on.
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** She wasn't aware of it. [spoiler:Remember, Alessa is extremely powerful, but ONLY within the bounds of Silent Hill, so she probably isn't directly aware of things that happen outside her area of influence; Heather does have those memories dormant in her psyche, but the actual powers of Alessa remain in the town itself (which is what makes the Possessed ending so meaningful: she 'picks up' the evil power of Alessa while she's in town). Heather regains the memories and subconscious powers of Alessa AFTER she returns to Silent Hill, which she only does after Harry is murdered. That was the point of killing him: Claudia wanted her to go back to Silent Hill and become Alessa again.]]
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** I did watch the ending and all the events leading up to it, despite the HighOctaneNightmareFuel. But when a game makes an average teenage girl out to be a murderer - even a SilentHill game - it just wasn't handled well enough to make me empathize with her, in spite of what she'd lost. I always thought that the story was just kind of lame compared to [[SilentHillHomecoming most]] of the others. The method of forcing Heather to come to Silent Hill and birth that wretched thing was so contrived.
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** I did watch all of that, but I think I was too distracted and angry, in a way, from the ending and all HighOctaneNightmareFuel to really care. It's true that killing the events leading up to it, despite the HighOctaneNightmareFuel. But when a game makes an average teenage girl out to be a murderer - even a SilentHill game - it just wasn't handled well enough to make me empathize with demon didn't do anything for her, and, by extension, the people who had followed ''SilentHill'' from the beginning. It never would. But wouldn't it have been better to prevent it from being born in spite of what she'd lost. the first place by not giving in to the hatred? I always thought have a theory that the story was just kind of lame compared to [[SilentHillHomecoming most]] of the others. The method of forcing Heather was slightly corrupted by Alessa wanting to come to Silent Hill and birth get revenge on the Order itself for the suffering that wretched thing it had inflicted upon her for three lifetimes, even if it was so contrived.to the detriment of Heather herself, and possibly the world. [[MindScrew Damn, this is confusing]], but that's what I'm working with now.
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* Throughout the course of the game, we kind of see [[spoiler:Alessa's personality reassert itself]] anyway, so why didn't [[spoiler:Alessa do anything to stop Harry's murder?]] There's something disturbing about how [[spoiler:Alessa chose to summon the "memory" of herself to try to kill Heather to stop the god from being born later on]], but chose not to help [[spoiler:Harry in his greatest time of need?]] RuleOfScary and all that, but that shouldn't let Konami slide on consistency and characterization. OR [[spoiler:Alessa suspected, like Harry seemingly did, that it was inevitable that The Order would come back and try to ruin Heather's life]].
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* Throughout the course of the game, we kind of see [[spoiler:Alessa's personality reassert itself]] anyway, so why didn't [[spoiler:Alessa do anything to stop Harry's murder?]] There's something disturbing about how [[spoiler:Alessa chose to summon the "memory" of herself to try to kill Heather to stop the god from being born later on]], but chose not to help [[spoiler:Harry in his greatest time of need?]] RuleOfScary and all that, but that shouldn't let Konami slide on consistency and characterization. OR [[spoiler:Alessa suspected, like Harry seemingly did, that it was inevitable that The Order would come back and try to ruin Heather's life]].
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** I personally have always held the idea that the monsters are "angels" within the cult's religion. When Heather asks Claudia about them, she says "They have come to witness the beginning. The rebirth of paradise, despoiled by mankind." This suggests that they are certainly not human. The fact that the Missionary and Scraper enemies still retain mostly humanlike characteristics suggests that they have partially been transformed into the image of these angels. I think, to Vincent, the monsters look like beautiful angels, which fits in with the whole "Silent Hill is different for everyone" theory.
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**** Except that she's walking through the back parts of the mall that normal people aren't supposed to be in.
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*** The "they're actually innocent people" thing sort of reminds me of the "Ferris Bueller is a figment of Cameron's imagination" theory: people latch onto the mind-blowing aspect of it, but they don't give it any actual ''thought''. When you do, you realize that the "monsters" of Silent Hill really will attack and kill you if you let them, none of the other "monsters" panic or flee for their lives when you bludgeon one of their number to death with a steel pipe, and that a bunch of uniformed "monsters" never show up in police cruisers to put a stop to your murderous rampage at any point. They look like monsters, yes, but they also BEHAVE like monsters. It gets a good shock out of Heather, admittedly, but it holds very little water as a legitimate answer.
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*** The "they're actually innocent people" thing sort of reminds me of the "Ferris Bueller is a figment of Cameron's imagination" theory: people latch onto the mind-blowing aspect of it, but they don't give it any actual ''thought''. When you do, you realize that the "monsters" of Silent Hill really will attack and kill you if you let them, none of the other "monsters" panic or flee for their lives when you bludgeon one of their number to death with a steel pipe, and that a bunch of uniformed "monsters" never show up in police cruisers to put a stop to your murderous rampage at any point. They look like monsters, yes, but they also BEHAVE like monsters. It gets a good shock out of Heather, admittedly, but it holds very little water as a legitimate answer.answer for what the monsters are and what they're doing in the town. "Vincent's just fucking with her" seems a much more credible theory, all told.
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*** The "they're actually innocent people" thing sort of reminds me of the "Ferris Bueller is a figment of Cameron's imagination" theory: people latch onto the mind-blowing aspect of it, but they don't give it any actual ''thought''. When you do, you realize that the "monsters" of Silent Hill really will attack and kill you if you let them, none of the other "monsters" panic or flee for their lives when you bludgeon one of their number to death with a steel pipe, and that a bunch of uniformed "monsters" never show up in police cruisers to put a stop to your murderous rampage at any point. They look like monsters, yes, but they also BEHAVE like monsters. It gets a good shock out of Heather, admittedly, but it holds very little water as a legitimate answer.
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** Exactly. Heather's moral failing in her quest for revenge is that it doesn't really feel like it's about justice - just extermination. Just look at the way she talks about going to Silent Hill to "kill her myself". It's almost perverse. [[GrandTheftAuto Other games]] handle revenge in a way that is somehow more comfortable than the contrived way that this one did, despite the fact that most of those games' characters have a much broader history with immorality.
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** I did watch the ending and all the events leading up to it, despite the HighOctaneNightmareFuel. But when a game makes an average teenage girl out to be a murderer - even a SilentHill game - it just wasn't handled well enough to make me empathize with her, in spite of what she'd lost. I always thought that the story was just kind of lame compared to [[SilentHillHomecoming most]] of the others. The method of forcing Heather to come to Silent Hill and birth that wretched thing was so contrived.
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*** Vincent's the only one. Douglas said "what ''was'' that monster?" after the mall changes back to normal. If anything, Douglas confirms that at least one other person besides Heather think they're monsters, and even Claudia knew what Heather meant and didn't act surprised when she asked "what are those monsters".
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*** Vincent's the only one. Douglas said "what ''was'' that monster?" after the mall changes back to normal. If anything, Douglas confirms that at least one other person besides Heather think thinks they're monsters, and even monsters. Even Claudia knew what Heather meant and didn't act surprised when she asked "what are those monsters".Heather referred to them as monsters before that, when they first met.
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*** Vincent's the only one. Douglas said "what ''was'' that monster?" after the mall changes back to normal. If anything, Douglas confirms that at least one other person besides Heather think they're monsters, and even Claudia knew what Heather meant and didn't act surprised when she asked "what are those monsters".
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** I might be misremembering, but I thought ''Douglas'' was the first to say, "They look like monsters to you?" Then, Vincent echoed it later. Again, I might be wrong, but if two people did say this and at least one of them isn't insane....
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* Why do the nurses still look like the sexy nurses from two shouldn't they look like the ultra deformed ones from one according to the wiki they symbolize her mistrust of hospitals but then why do they look pretty damn human. The sexy nurse represented James frustrated libido does this mean that Heather has repressed lesbian urges? I seriously want to know because they look more humanlike than twos.
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* Why do the nurses still look like the sexy nurses from two shouldn't 2? Shouldn't they look like the ultra deformed ones from one according 1? According to the wiki wiki, they symbolize her mistrust of hospitals hospitals, but then why do they look pretty damn human. human? The sexy nurse represented James James's frustrated libido libido; does this mean that Heather has repressed lesbian urges? I seriously want to know because they look more humanlike than twos.2's.
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* Did you not watch the ending? Did you miss the part where she stumbles away from the scene of the final battle, weeping and crying for her dad, because killing the cult's god didn't actually do anything for her? Remember that Heather has her memories back by that point, and has a very different moral perspective (hence the Possessed Ending, where Heather assumes her mantle as the Mother of God and the right to judge, forgive, and punish others). By the end of it, she ''wasn't'' out for revenge; she was just trying to end the suffering it had inflicted on her for ''three lifetimes''.
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**** It's more likely that Harry just plain couldn't afford a cell phone for Heather at the time. Remember, he's a single dad on the run from a cult who made every effort not to break the illusion for his daughter, and is very likely to have had issues stemming from his experiences in the first game. If he was still writing at that point, he probably wasn't getting paid regularly and had to carefully ration his income in order to be able to support a daughter and remain low-profile without her ever finding out. As to the phone call leaving the mall, that's not that unusual: she has to take a subway home and walk back herself, which would be dangerous even in the best of circumstances, so Harry would want an idea of when to expect her back. This is a guy who literally has gone to Hell and back for his baby girl, he just needs to know what time is appropriate to get the katana and the hunting rifle out of the closet in his room.
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** Wait, wait; you can't believe that a seventeen year old girl could kill hundreds of ordinary humans, but you ''can'' believe that a seventeen year old girl could kill hundreds of ''extremely dangerous monsters''?
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*** Yeah, considering I'm fairly certain your digestive and reproductive systems aren't connected, this is what I buy!
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** Could be kind of off here considering I most recently played the game in German and I'm not sure if every line translates directly, but if you look at [[spoiler:Harry's covered corpse]] in the apartment before [[spoiler:leaving with Douglas to Silent Hill]], Heather remarks something along the lines of, [[spoiler:"I'll make her pay for what she did to you. I promise. ...I wonder, what would you think, if you knew I was thinking this way?"]]. Regardless, though, it's a pretty lame, half-assed attempt at making her look like she's even really thinking about it at all, and it's never really even mentioned again. There's an even more half-assed attempt in the cut-scene directly beforehand.
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*** To directly quote Dahlia in SilentHill1 : "I was shocked to hear that the Seal of Metatron was being used." So yes, it is mentioned. Otherwise, OP, I'm not seeing a problem? Alessa used the Seal of Metatron in order to seal away the nightmare she was accidentally inflicting on the town, which would be in her interests. Heather is Alessa, and Valtiel (supposedly) drags Heather away to revive her when she's killed - how is this a conflict of interest? If the Seal was a symbol Alessa used and it's now on Valtiel, who is helping Heather... I'm not seeing what the issue is. Regardless, like the troper above mentioned, the Seal of Metatron is actually a neutral symbol that gives power regardless of the intentions of the one using it. Although, apparently in 3, it's actually completely meaningless when it comes to stopping God...
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*** Harry is a writer, and not a too-famous one at that (after all, he's not exactly looking to draw any attention on himself, even if he is publishing under a pen name). I kind of feel like, even through cell phones WERE around in '97, it's extremely unlikely they would be able to afford one in a time when cell phones were more viewed as a luxury and not nearly, nearly as prevalent as they are now. This still kind of bothers me, though, because Harry is obviously over-protective (although it is ''justified'' over-protectiveness, don't get me wrong) enough to go so far as to want Heather to call him ''as she's leaving the mall''. This troper doesn't think she had lax parents at all, and that seems pretty ridiculous. For Harry in that state of mind to not ensure that Heather had a cell phone despite the cost does seem pretty weird. I just have to tell myself that it's not something they could afford, since I think the idea of Harry being crazy enough to be worried about being "traced" by a cell phone is a little far-fetched. BUT I do want to add that SilentHill3 doesn't "officially" take place in 1997. There aren't any official dates at all until SilentHillOrigins, which attempted to give dates to the series and then failed miserably. So this could all really be a big moot point anyway.
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*** The key here, though, is "transformed". Some of the monsters used to be human, but that's a different matter from the theory that all the monsters actually are human and the heroes are running around on psychotic killing sprees.
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* This is more about the fandom, but why do so many people believe the 'They look like monsters' theory? I mean Vincent was wrong about several important points, and could have been crazy himself. Also in each game you can kill hundreds of monsters. If there was someone killing hundreds of people, they would have nuked the hell out of Silent Hill. How am I suppose to believe than a 17 year old girl is capable of killing HUNDREDS of people, and several dozen dogs?
** Leonard is/was definitely a human. The [[NoExportForYou Book of Lost Memories]] says that the Missionary boss is a transformed cultist. The Scraper enemies are basically lesser versions of the Missionary, so they're likely to be humans. I don't think that the other monsters are human; rather they relate to Alessa's memories and the forthcoming birth of the God, as in the first game.
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* This is more about the fandom, but why do so many people believe the 'They look like monsters' theory? I mean Vincent was wrong about several important points, and could have been crazy himself. Also in each game you can kill hundreds of monsters. If there was someone killing hundreds of people, they would have nuked the hell out of Silent Hill. How am I suppose to believe than a 17 year old girl is capable of killing HUNDREDS of people, and several dozen dogs?
** Leonard is/was definitely a human. The [[NoExportForYou Book of Lost Memories]] says that the Missionary boss is a transformed cultist. The Scraper enemies are basically lesser versions of the Missionary, so they're likely to be humans. I don't think that the other monsters are human; rather they relate to Alessa's memories and the forthcoming birth of the God, as in the first game.
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