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** ''Harm'' is likely a mistranslation of ''maim'', as the two frequently together.
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*** '''Answer:''' Laplace's Demon is a reference to a theory by Pierre-Simon Laplace, who (in summary) theorised the idea that it could be possible for an intelligence to know the effect of something in the past and how that then links to a cause occurring in the future.So therefore, this intelligence was also able to know everything simply by determining the present to clearly see the past and the future as well and know how everything would unfold based upon how every decision is made. Basically, [[spoiler: Laplace's Demon is a figure with omniscience on par with God or the Devil. So he's the natural choice as referee for such an important event.]]
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** [[spoiler: And our dear /Boku/ has regained her body... at least, until Gin decides to retake what is hers. So if Tea Bitch does the same, we will be back at square one.]]
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** [[spoiler: And our dear /Boku/ has regained her body... at least, until Gin Jun decides to retake what is hers. So if Tea Bitch does the same, we will be back at square one.]]
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** Ever watched the Ouverture OVA? Suigintou was a rose-less doll in it, and it happens about a hundred years before the series starts. At the end, [[spoiler:Rozen's spirit grants Gin a Rosa Mystica, so that she can fight and prove herself. Then sprouts her raven wings, which are her Rosa's special power]] so no, Gin ''did not'' have one all along, and yet she lived.
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** Ever watched the Ouverture OVA? Suigintou was a rose-less doll in it, and it happens about a hundred years before the series starts. At the end, [[spoiler:Rozen's spirit grants Gin Jun a Rosa Mystica, so that she can fight and prove herself. Then sprouts her raven wings, which are her Rosa's special power]] so no, Gin Jun ''did not'' have one all along, and yet she lived.
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** even then [[spoiler: Gin moved and gained her personality before she had a Roza Mystica, a doll's consiousness is very dependant of their own identity, as seen with the broken doll. For Souseiseki and Hinaichigo their Roza Mystica is tied into their identity as is the idea that when they lose theirs they will cease to move. So their minds make it real]]
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** even then [[spoiler: Gin Jun moved and gained her personality before she had a Roza Mystica, a doll's consiousness is very dependant of their own identity, as seen with the broken doll. For Souseiseki and Hinaichigo their Roza Mystica is tied into their identity as is the idea that when they lose theirs they will cease to move. So their minds make it real]]
*** '''Answer:''' [[spoiler: There is another way; a Rozen Maiden can willingly surrender their Roza Mystica to the doll they believe is more worthy than themselves to become Alice.]]
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* At the end of Traumend, [[spoiler: Hina Ichigo and Souseseki were not brought back like every single other doll.]] The logic of this being that they were defeated by other Rozen Maidens, [[spoiler: Shinku and Sugintou, respectively.]] therefore losing the right to become Alice. So, Sugintou was [[spoiler: defeated]] at the end of season one by Shinku. By that logic, Sugintou [[spoiler: also should not have been brought back.]] because she technically lost the right to participate also. (If Rozen loves Sugintou [[spoiler: enough to bring her back after dying three times]], why doesn't he just make her Alice and be done with it?)
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** The game had already started when [[spoiler: Souseiseki was eliminated from the Alice Game]]. Hinaichigo's loss in the first and second anime was because she had already been defeated, but Shinku's "mercy" allowed her to remain animate. However, as the game had then begun officially, there was no longer any exceptions allowed to continue after this point. [[spoiler: in the manga and third anime, Hinaichigo was eliminated by Kirakishou, but she surrendered her Roza Mystica to Shinku rather than what happened in the earlier anime.]]
* At the end of Traumend, [[spoiler: Hina Ichigo and Souseseki were not brought back like every single other doll.]] The logic of this being that they were defeated by other Rozen Maidens, [[spoiler: Shinku and Sugintou, respectively.]] therefore losing the right to become Alice. So,Sugintou Suigintou was [[spoiler: defeated]] at the end of season one by Shinku. By that logic, Sugintou [[spoiler: also should not have been brought back.]] because she technically lost the right to participate also. (If Rozen loves Sugintou [[spoiler: enough to bring her back after dying three times]], why doesn't he just make her Alice and be done with it?)
* At the end of Traumend, [[spoiler: Hina Ichigo and Souseseki were not brought back like every single other doll.]] The logic of this being that they were defeated by other Rozen Maidens, [[spoiler: Shinku and Sugintou, respectively.]] therefore losing the right to become Alice. So,
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** '''Answer:''' not to the manga, but the first anime was already diverging a little, so ''Traumend'' is still canon as a sequel to the anime.
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** '''Answer:''' The -seiseki twins have always had the ability to control plants as is their role as gardeners, [[spoiler: the clock (made of wood) was technically alive despite its inanimate state since it was indirectly halting time. The twins were there just to force it to restart it again]]. The purpose of them working together is them connected to controlled growth; Suiseiseki can grow the plant, but Souseiseki prunes it to keep it in shape or to cut it down if it grows too large, hence their watering-can and scissors compilation. Plus, they were in the N-Field ([[spoiler: which is akin to a dreamland-like place so impossibilities are near limitless as long as you have lucid control]]), so
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*** Another question relating to that, how well could Jun even manage two of his dolls fighting ''each other''? I know they pointed it out how he handles several dolls like a champ but they were all fighting someone else at the time and Hinaichigo and Shinku only ended fighting because Shinku pointed out how much of a toll Hinaichigo was taking on Tomoe.
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* Shinku in episode 11: "As a Rozen Maiden, we are not allowed to torment or '''harm''' humans." Shinku in previous episodes: *kicks Jun in the shin multiple times*\\
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*In the third season, Suiseiseki and Souseiseki suddenly are given two reality-altering powers that they claim to have had all along, but to use the powers they must work together. It plays a big role in the ending but where the hell did these powers come from? Seems like an ass pull.
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* Out of curiousity, are we supposed to consider Rozen in any way worthy of the desperate WellDoneSonGuy love most of the dolls have towards him? His actions, particularly the one of making his creations, who are living things rather than just dolls, believe the only way to be worthy of his love is to ''kill each other'' and not telling any of them there were other ways, seem to qualify him as a colossal JerkAss at best, if not an outright CompleteMonster. .
** Except for making the dolls fight each other for the title of Alice, there are no real explicit bad intentions in Rozen's motifs. I also seem to think that your definitions of both JerkAss ''and'' CompleteMonster are very off, as there are people who have done worse things than just arranging a tournament to the death and are not considered irredeemably evil (the one most defining feature of the CompleteMonster) and as for Rozen being a JerkAss... Nah, if he were a real dick like that, the dolls wouldn't love him, right? Besides, in the end he does inform the dolls of a better way to complete the Alice Game, so that really disproves him as an irredeemable asshole. Not perfect, by all means, but still not 100% bad.
** Except for making the dolls fight each other for the title of Alice, there are no real explicit bad intentions in Rozen's motifs. I also seem to think that your definitions of both JerkAss ''and'' CompleteMonster are very off, as there are people who have done worse things than just arranging a tournament to the death and are not considered irredeemably evil (the one most defining feature of the CompleteMonster) and as for Rozen being a JerkAss... Nah, if he were a real dick like that, the dolls wouldn't love him, right? Besides, in the end he does inform the dolls of a better way to complete the Alice Game, so that really disproves him as an irredeemable asshole. Not perfect, by all means, but still not 100% bad.
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* Out of curiousity, are we supposed to consider Rozen in any way worthy of the desperate WellDoneSonGuy love most of the dolls have towards him? His actions, particularly the one of making his creations, who are living things rather than just dolls, believe the only way to be worthy of his love is to ''kill each other'' and not telling any of them there were other ways, seem to qualify him as a colossal JerkAss at best, if not an outright CompleteMonster. .
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** Except for making the dolls fight each other for the title of Alice, there are no real explicit bad intentions in Rozen's motifs.I also seem to think that your definitions of both JerkAss ''and'' CompleteMonster are very off, as there are people who have done worse things than just arranging a tournament to the death and are not considered irredeemably evil (the one most defining feature of the CompleteMonster) and as As for Rozen being a JerkAss... Nah, if he were a real dick like that, the dolls wouldn't love him, right? Besides, in the end he does inform the dolls of a better way to complete the Alice Game, so that really disproves him as an irredeemable asshole. Not perfect, by all means, but still not 100% bad.
** Except for making the dolls fight each other for the title of Alice, there are no real explicit bad intentions in Rozen's motifs.
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* After watching the third anime season, ''Zuruckspulen'' I still have a lot of questions. First of all, who or what the hell is that anthropomorphic rabbit that keeps popping up? He's apparently called "Laplace's Demon", but I don't think his name has ever been mentioned, nor does anyone in the anime know who he is. Second, who is Father and where/how did he get the power to create the rozen maidens? And why did he abandon Suigintou in ''Overture''? (Although I have read that that plot was only a problem in the anime). Who is Kirakishou and why didn't she have a normal body? Now I realize that the manga ended prematurely and I'm not sure if there is a proper conclusion, but I just wanted to know if there was any information that I had missed.
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** Although it was Suigintou and Shinku fighting at the time, Shinku never actually landed a "finishing blow" on Suigintou. In the end, her final attack backfired and ended up exposing her as unfinished, and then she was pulled back into the N-Field (or... wherever.) Considering the fact that when Suigintou returned in the second season she was in pristine condition again (sans her missing stomach), it might even be possible to say that it was Rozen who summoned her to him once again to be made proper for the official Alice fights much like he did in Ouverture and the end of season two.
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** Although it was Suigintou and Shinku fighting at the time, Shinku never actually landed a "finishing blow" on Suigintou. In the end, her final attack backfired and ended up exposing [[spoiler:exposing her as unfinished, unfinished]], and then she was pulled back into the N-Field (or... wherever.) Considering the fact that when Suigintou [[spoiler:Suigintou returned in the second season she was in pristine condition again (sans her missing stomach), stomach),]] it might even be possible to say that it was Rozen who summoned her to him once again to be made proper for the official Alice fights much like he did in Ouverture [[spoiler:Ouverture and the end of season two.two]].
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** Although it was Suigintou and Shinku fighting at the time, Shinku never actually landed a "finishing blow" on Suigintou. In the end, her final attack backfired and ended up exposing her as unfinished, and then she was pulled back into the N-Field (or... wherever.) Considering the fact that when Suigintou returned in the second season she was in pristine condition again (sans her missing stomach), it might even be possible to say that it was Rozen who summoned her to him once again to be made proper for the official Alice fights much like he did in Ouverture and the end of season two.
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*** I suppose. The English version definitely says "revive" on that page. If I had the original Japanese I could compare, but it's too much trouble to go through.
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**Really, it was just a clip to show Jun how the Alice Game worked. Plus, keep in mind that none of them had ever seen a Rosa Mystica before, ignoring the OVA.
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* Am I the only one who thought that their rings were the Rosa Mystica because of the clip that plays when Shinku explains the game to Hinaichigo in episode 2?
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*** ...In the second season. She was still defeated by Shinku in the first season. But since Shinku did not bother taking her Roza Mystica (or lay claim of it, as in Hinaichigo's case), she was revived in the second season. Though she got resurrected after having been defeated by Barasuishou too because she was not a legitimate participant, despite the former laying claim to her Roza Mystica.
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** As far as I know, the goal always was to 'create' Alice. Might have been a shoddy translation?
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**Suigintou was not defeated by Shinku. [[spoiler:She was defeated by Barasuishou]]
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**** Actually, Shinku did take Hinaigchigo's Roza Mystica, in a way. She didn't take it away from her, per se, but she took ownership of it, making Hinaigchigo bound to her.
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*** Then again, she didn't take Hinaichigo's Roza Mystica either at her time of defeat, so that doesn't explain much. To put it in perspective, Hinaichigo had already officially "lost" the game due to being unable to sign a contract, whereas Suigintou was still able to do so. Therefore, the sign that legal participants were starting to die was probably a sign to wipe away the ones who already had lost their rights to participate, in layman's terms, Hinaichigo. Basically, she had no right to participate anymore, so she was most likely killed off to not be able to interfere with the game either.
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** My understanding is that Suigintou was able to return because Shinku didn't take her Roza Mystica.
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* At what point did the story become about "creating" Alice and not reviving her? Unless the translation is wrong, in volume 2 (pp.134-135), Shinku says the 7 dolls have 7 fragments of one Rosa mystica that broke, and they have to put them together to revive her. That means Alice existed before and...died? And then Father put her essence into a jewel and shattered it? What happened? And why did the story change?
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** First off, let's separate this from the manga where Suigintou DOES have a Rosa Mystica all along. Dolls being able to move without an RM are not canon, so don't involve manga arguments in this.
