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* Why do Maddox and the CEO make such a huge deal about Murphy's performance being slightly lower than the robot in the same situation? Those robots are illegal to deploy within the States, so from a market perspective this comparison is a moot point. Omnicorp is not trying to sell Robocop based on the performance, but the human element.
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* Why do Maddox and the CEO make such a huge deal about Murphy's performance being slightly lower than the robot in the same situation? Those robots are illegal to deploy within the States, so from a market perspective this comparison is a moot point. Omnicorp is not trying to sell Robocop based on the performance, but the human element.
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*** Facial skin is ''not'' like the rest. That's why facial skin graft recipients take a dip right into the abyss of the Uncanny Valley.
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*** "Non-lethal" has become a bit of a misnomer in many such weapons in real life; the term now is "less lethal" reflecting the fact that it's not perfectly nonlethal. It still has a far less chance of lethality than a bullet, however.
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*** Likely even MORE inline recall how the Redtags are told NOT to shoot or get out of line, just in case. Guess what Sellars does? Threaten two unarmed civilians. Likely the program weakened AND Alex resolved more because Sellars went from unthreatening asset of the highest priority to threatening criminal to civilians.
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*** Likely even MORE inline recall how the Redtags are told NOT to shoot or get out of line, just in case. Guess what Sellars does? Threaten two unarmed civilians. Likely the program weakened AND Alex resolved more because Sellars went from unthreatening asset of the highest priority to threatening criminal to violent crime on civilians.
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** Tasers have killed people in real life, and so have blanks for that matter- So a bullet that slams into someone and then shocks them has two ways it could kill someone.
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* why not keep Alex's other organs? They seemed to be intact after the bomb and this would simplify his care requirements significantly, allowing his to eat normal food and making the nightly blood transfer unnecessary. Just chuck in a couple of waste bags and change those nightly.
* If you think about it, it's effectively another leash they have on Murphy. The old Robo was more or less autonomous and could wander off to do his own thing for extended lenghts of time, but this Robo has to return every night for his blood cleanup and nutrient dose, or he will die.
* If you think about it, it's effectively another leash they have on Murphy. The old Robo was more or less autonomous and could wander off to do his own thing for extended lenghts of time, but this Robo has to return every night for his blood cleanup and nutrient dose, or he will die.
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* ** If you think about it, it's effectively another leash they have on Murphy. The old Robo was more or less autonomous and could wander off to do his own thing for extended lenghts of time, but this Robo has to return every night for his blood cleanup and nutrient dose, or he will die.
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* If the reason that the US doesn't want police robots is because they use guns, why not just give them all the taser gun that Murphy has? That seemed to work just fine when it came to incapacitating people without killing them.
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* If the reason that the US doesn't want police robots is because they use guns, why not just give them all the taser gun that Murphy has? That seemed to work just fine when it came to incapacitating people without killing them.
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***Likely even MORE inline recall how the Redtags are told NOT to shoot or get out of line, just in case. Guess what Sellars does? Threaten two unarmed civilians. Likely the program weakened AND Alex resolved more because Sellars went from unthreatening asset of the highest priority to threatening criminal to civilians.
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***It's probably cheaper to build robot limbs than to clone new ones.
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* If you think about it, it's effectively another leash they have on Murphy. The old Robo was more or less autonomous and could wander off to do his own thing for extended lenghts of time, but this Robo has to return every night for his blood cleanup and nutrient dose, or he will die.
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** Much like the original ED-209, these robots are military hardware, literally tanks with legs, employed to police civilians. It's possible that it's programming didn't include a way for the robot to assess that a knife holds a different kind of threat than of a gun or a bomb, simply because it wasn't meant to ever go against non-combatants, and Omni simply doesn't care .
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** It could have thought the knife was a 'Threat' to other people.
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** 'Threats' in this case are dangers to its human controllers and the red assets. It also highlights why robots are not always the best way to handle situations like that.
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* Why did the EM-209 gun down the Iranian kid in the opening for holding a knife? Why would the programmers consider a knife to be a threat to a robot?
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** Because that would piss him off. Remember his reaction when he found out he was a cyborg? He '''freaked out'''. What do you think would happen if he realized that he was being flat out mind controlled?
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* Rather than have the computer take over "and he won't know the difference" why not ''tell Murphy'' about this aspect and that they can reverse it if it doesn't work out? He's already aware he's half machine anyway.
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* Rather than have the computer take over "and he won't know the difference" why not ''tell Murphy'' about this aspect and that they can reverse it if it doesn't work out? He's already aware he's half machine anyway. Heck, he's not at all surprised when they upload the whole police database into his brain - he knows there's computers in there and some back-and-forth.
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*Rather than have the computer take over "and he won't know the difference" why not ''tell Murphy'' about this aspect and that they can reverse it if it doesn't work out? He's already aware he's half machine anyway.
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*Rather than have the computer take over "and he won't know the difference" why not ''tell Murphy'' about this aspect and that they can reverse it if it doesn't work out? He's already aware he's half machine anyway.
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* There is also the fact the hand probably would work properly, given how much hand function depends on tendons in the arm.
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**** Notice that when Murphy goes to shake Maddox's hand he offers him his left (robotic) one. in a subtle "Fuck you too."
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** Also it's kind of the point. As pointed out on the main page unbiased robots controlled but highly biased creators is an allegory for lawmakers exempting themselves from the rules they create.
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*** Also it's Murphy's right hand (that is, the one you shake with) with represents the bridge between man and machine.
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** The droids are maneuvering him towards Maddox because only his gun is powerful enough to take Murphy out. So yeah, the test was pretty biased. On the other hand it is also a pretty good benchmark, if Maddox (who ''is'' just a guy in a suit) can take out their top-of-the-line cyborg then what's the point of him tactically in the first place?
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* It's established in the movie that whenever Robo's visor is down for combat situations, the software takes over and Murphy's brain has no actual input on what's going on. In that case, why was Robocop so much better while fighting the Omnicorp drones? Under such conditions, He would be operating as he was yet another robot.
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* It's established in the movie that whenever Robo's visor is down for combat situations, the software takes over and Murphy's brain has no actual input on what's going on. In that case, why was Robocop so much better while fighting the Omnicorp [=OmniCorp=] drones? Under such conditions, He would be operating as he was yet another robot.
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** also kind of WMG but Norton was literally in Murphy's head at the time perhaps he added some additional hardware to Murphy's subconscious to get the software to shave off those few seconds that everyone worried about.
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** They also don't have access to the processing power needed to sort and cross-reference all that data. The police would have whatever government funding could get for them, and whatever that is is probably long since obsolete. Robocop has the bleeding edge technology from OmniCorp. It's almost literally the difference between your couple years old desktop versus a supercomputer.
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** They also don't have access to the processing power needed to sort and cross-reference all that data. The police would have whatever government funding could get for them, and whatever that is is probably long since obsolete. Robocop has the bleeding edge technology from OmniCorp.[=OmniCorp=]. It's almost literally the difference between your couple years old desktop versus a supercomputer.
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* OmniCorp surely can't have their products turned against them and those who they do business with (e.g criminals, politicians), can they? Robocop's "Priority" on solving cases is a subtle example; its true purpose is to keep him away from cases that might damage OmniCorp's interests. This stand point is, astonishingly, never even mentioned in the whole movie. Senator Dreyfus, in what little screen time he has to oppose mechanized crime control, keeps blabbering about the "human factor" and whatnot, while ignoring this obvious flaw.
** Well, consider that in this continuity, Omni is a lot cleaner than OCP was. Dick Jones' goals were A) turn Detroit into an even worse hellhole by any means necessary (which included having a psychotic gang leader on his payroll) so the company could buy the city cheap, screwing everybody in the processe, and B) selling to the goverment a highly defective military product. Sellars only became a card-carrying villain towards the end of the movie, and his initial goals were to simply sell a good, efficient product to the goverment. He doesn't even have any contact with the equivalent to Clarence Boddiker in the reboot. Seeing that OmniCorp finances an expensive research on advanced prosthetics, odds are they are villains with good publicity, so if a Senator suddendly put in question their motives and suggested stuff like that without any base, it would be damaging to his argument.
** Well, consider that in this continuity, Omni is a lot cleaner than OCP was. Dick Jones' goals were A) turn Detroit into an even worse hellhole by any means necessary (which included having a psychotic gang leader on his payroll) so the company could buy the city cheap, screwing everybody in the processe, and B) selling to the goverment a highly defective military product. Sellars only became a card-carrying villain towards the end of the movie, and his initial goals were to simply sell a good, efficient product to the goverment. He doesn't even have any contact with the equivalent to Clarence Boddiker in the reboot. Seeing that OmniCorp finances an expensive research on advanced prosthetics, odds are they are villains with good publicity, so if a Senator suddendly put in question their motives and suggested stuff like that without any base, it would be damaging to his argument.
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* OmniCorp [=OmniCorp=] surely can't have their products turned against them and those who they do business with (e.g criminals, politicians), can they? Robocop's "Priority" on solving cases is a subtle example; its true purpose is to keep him away from cases that might damage OmniCorp's [=OmniCorp=]'s interests. This stand point is, astonishingly, never even mentioned in the whole movie. Senator Dreyfus, in what little screen time he has to oppose mechanized crime control, keeps blabbering about the "human factor" and whatnot, while ignoring this obvious flaw.
** Well, consider that in this continuity, Omni is a lot cleaner than OCP was. Dick Jones' goals were A) turn Detroit into an even worse hellhole by any means necessary (which included having a psychotic gang leader on his payroll) so the company could buy the city cheap, screwing everybody in theprocesse, process, and B) selling to the goverment government a highly defective military product. Sellars only became a card-carrying villain towards the end of the movie, and his initial goals were to simply sell a good, efficient product to the goverment.government. He doesn't even have any contact with the equivalent to Clarence Boddiker in the reboot. Seeing that OmniCorp [=OmniCorp=] finances an expensive research on advanced prosthetics, odds are they are villains with good publicity, so if a Senator suddendly suddenly put in question their motives and suggested stuff like that without any base, it would be damaging to his argument.
** Well, consider that in this continuity, Omni is a lot cleaner than OCP was. Dick Jones' goals were A) turn Detroit into an even worse hellhole by any means necessary (which included having a psychotic gang leader on his payroll) so the company could buy the city cheap, screwing everybody in the
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** Robocop is a PR stunt, so the hand probably was left there to give him a bit more of a symbolic human touch, that the finger pulling the trigger is human, not robotic. I do agree that it was odd to see such detail left untouched, a couple of lines of dialogue addresing it would have been enough.
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** Well, consider that in this continuity, Omni is a lot cleaner than OCP was. Dick Jones' goals were A) turn Detroit into an even worse hellhole by any means necessary (which included having a psychotic gang leader on his payroll) so the company could buy the city cheap, screwing everybody in the processe, and B) selling to the goverment a highly defective military product. Sellars only became a card-carrying villain towards the end of the movie, and his initial goals were to simply sell a good, efficient product to the goverment. He doesn't even have any contact with the equivalent to Clarence Boddiker in the reboot. Seeing that OmniCorp finances an expensive research on advanced prosthetics, odds are they are villains with good publicity, so if a Senator suddendly put in question their motives and suggested stuff like that without any base, it would be damaging to his argument.