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* So... a lot of people don't like this book, which, aside from being a bit short and not enough Revan, was alright. Why's it loathed by a lot of fans?
** See the above comments about how it seems that the sequel game is not just ignored but outright contradicted - the Exile is unfamiliar with planet/Force consuming abilities, which was Nihilus's whole shtick, her connection to the Force was simply lost and regained, instead of her siphoning and drawing on the Force abilities of those around her, the KOTOR 2 crew are not mentioned except for Kreia, who has become subject to 'dark side corruption,' and all of her teaching about the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force that ran counter to common beliefs? Just a manifestation of that corruption, can be tossed aside, no worries. Also, to some, it screams of a cash grab - Want to see the continuation of Revan and the Exile's stories? Not your character. Want answers to the questions raised in this book? Yeah, you're gonna have to play the tie-in game to get anything.
** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material is in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .
** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after he and Gaider did such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, Revan and Exile figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting [[ObviouslyEvil Scourge]] of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] ''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]'' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the Immortal VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophomoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; there are so many to choose from.

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* So... a lot of people don't like this book, which, aside from being a bit short and not enough Revan, was alright. Why's it loathed by a lot of fans?
** See the above comments about how it seems that the sequel game is not just ignored but outright contradicted - the Exile is unfamiliar with planet/Force consuming abilities, which was Nihilus's whole shtick, her connection to the Force was simply lost and regained, instead of her siphoning and drawing on the Force abilities of those around her, the KOTOR 2 crew are not mentioned except for Kreia, who has become subject to 'dark side corruption,' and all of her teaching about the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force that ran counter to common beliefs? Just a manifestation of that corruption, can be tossed aside, no worries. Also, to some, it screams of a cash grab - Want to see the continuation of Revan and the Exile's stories? Not your character. Want answers to the questions raised in this book? Yeah, you're gonna have to play the tie-in game to get anything.
** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material is in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .
** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after he and Gaider did such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, Revan and Exile figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting [[ObviouslyEvil Scourge]] of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] ''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]'' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the Immortal VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophomoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; there are so many to choose from.

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** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the Immortal VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophomoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; there are so many to choose from.

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** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing he and Gaider did such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they Revan and Exile figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge [[ObviouslyEvil Scourge]] of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing ''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' ]]'' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the Immortal VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophomoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; there are so many to choose from.


** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophmoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DethroningMomentOfSuck

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** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or was he going to saddle Carth with that job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the Immortal VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophmoreSlump SophomoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DethroningMomentOfSuck
DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; there are so many to choose from.


** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and the Exile's don't even factor in? (Okay, you idiot. You knock Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or were you going to saddle Carth with that job?) So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both.

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** Where to begin? [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and the Exile's party of cross-classed badasses don't even factor in? (Okay, you idiot. You knock Oh, and Revan knocks Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or were you was he going to saddle Carth with that job?) job? So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be more obvious if it were lit up like the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both. \n So we've got BoringInvincibleVillain, ShootTheShaggyDog, multiple {{IdiotBall}}s, KarmaHoudini, StuffedIntoTheFridge, AllForNothing, UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, RogueProtagonist, SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome, and an author in a SophmoreSlump pulling a TakeThatAudience Pick your DethroningMomentOfSuck


** Where to begin? [[BoringInvinvibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over the top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members lose about 50 IQ points and the Exile's don't even factor in? (Okay, you idiot. You knock Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or were you going to saddle Carth with that job?) So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and shoving her in the fridge kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses, they charge into a trap that couldn't be moire obvious if it were lit up like thre Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? The fact that their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith ''anyway.'' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillianSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (while he was embezzling the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both.

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** Where to begin? [[BoringInvinvibleVillain [[BoringInvincibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over the top over-the-top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members ''and'' Exile (who should have told him to get lost because of Malachor, but was played like a lovesick idiot) lose about 50 IQ points and the Exile's don't even factor in? (Okay, you idiot. You knock Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or were you going to saddle Carth with that job?) So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and [[StuffedIntoTheFridge shoving her in the fridge fridge]] kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses, geniuses that masterminded the downfall of the Mandalorians, they charge into a trap that couldn't be moire more obvious if it were lit up like thre the Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? The fact that their Their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, [[ShootTheShaggyDog who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith ''anyway.'' Sith]] '''[[AllForNothing anyway.]]''' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly canonical Canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillianSue VillainSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (while he was embezzling (all the better to embezzle the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both.


** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material s in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .

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** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material s is in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .
** Where to begin? [[BoringInvinvibleVillain Vitiate]] the VillainSue that reads like an over the top and ''boring'' one-note, no motive other than "because I'm EVIL" concoction you would see in a third rate Saturday morning cartoon after doing such a good job explaining the Sith mindset and the logic behind it with Yuthura, Uthar, and Bane? The fact that all of Revan's party members lose about 50 IQ points and the Exile's don't even factor in? (Okay, you idiot. You knock Bastila up, leaving her to fact the fallout from the Council, any assassins, and maybe the Republic government while raising a kid alone. Or were you going to saddle Carth with that job?) So of course, like a pair of macho idiots, they figure they can and have to take this on all alone, aside from trusting Scourge of all people. The fact Scourge is an utter KarmaHoudini who gets to bunk out rent-free on the Knight's ship and get a Republic medal after literally knifing Exile in the back and shoving her in the fridge kinda adds insult to injury here. The fact that, for a pair of alleged tactical geniuses, they charge into a trap that couldn't be moire obvious if it were lit up like thre Vegas strip and accompanied by a jazzy musical number? The fact that their stupidity didn't do jack shit to help the Republic - not even a datacron, maps, or intel smuggled out to ''warn'' the Republic, who gets caught with their pants down and curb-stomped by the Sith ''anyway.'' And the lame excuse about "holding the Emperor back." Revan the Allegedly canonical didn't hold back a damn thing! Vitiate the VillianSue could play the long game; a prolonged, brutal war of attrition that gave the Republic a prolonged and painful death while keeping his Darths too busy to pay attention to him (while he was embezzling the spoils to his "side project" on Zakuul) was ''exactly'' what he wanted. Revan the Allegedly Canonical was delusional, stupid, or both.



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** It also may have been chosen by the people who did the games, or whomever. Rights issues can be complicated.


** Give that she [[spoiler: was StuffedIntoTheFridge]] I'm guessing Drew really didn't like her

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** Give that she [[spoiler: was StuffedIntoTheFridge]] I'm guessing Drew really didn't like herher.



** [[FlatYes Yes.]] Well played as your Devil's Advocate is, the problem is that the problems with the book don't even *remotely* come close to stopping with Revan's issues. The book gets very, Incredibly basic issues like the whole "Force/life eatig/Void in the Force" problems wrong, since apparently we're supposed to believe the walking wound in the force that is the Exile (who fought a BLACK HOLE in the force like Darth Nih) apparently has no familiarity with the concept of siphoning off the power of the Force from other things. Nevermind the fact that to the game fan, the Sith Emperor being effortlessly able to brainwash Revan and Malak comes out of nowhere and isn't even hinted at in the previous games, and so comes out looking rather like an AssPull. Nevermind the fact that Drew had a golden chance to give the Exile and Scrouge an awesome scene, where Scrouge asks his question about the nature of the Emperor to ''someone who draws her power from almost the exact same source as the Emperor does but Remained With the Light'' and instead he just blew it, mutilating the Exile's character even further. Again, I could give the explanation about Revan a pass if that were the only problem, but the fact remains that the book is such a hack job that would be wasted. Good Devil's Advocate, mate, just that this isn't really "forgivable" material.

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** [[FlatYes Yes.]] Well played as your Devil's Advocate is, the problem is that the problems with the book don't even *remotely* come close to stopping with Revan's issues. The book gets very, Incredibly basic issues like the whole "Force/life eatig/Void in the Force" problems wrong, since apparently we're supposed to believe the walking wound in the force that is the Exile (who fought a BLACK HOLE in the force like Darth Nih) apparently has no familiarity with the concept of siphoning off the power of the Force from other things. Nevermind the fact that to the game fan, the Sith Emperor being effortlessly able to brainwash Revan and Malak comes out of nowhere and isn't even hinted at in the previous games, and so comes out looking rather like an AssPull. Nevermind the fact that Drew had a golden chance to give the Exile and Scrouge Scourge an awesome scene, where Scrouge asks his question about the nature of the Emperor to ''someone who draws her power from almost the exact same source as the Emperor does but Remained With the Light'' and instead he just blew it, mutilating the Exile's character even further. Again, I could give the explanation about Revan a pass if that were the only problem, but the fact remains that the book is such a hack job that would be wasted. Good Devil's Advocate, mate, just that this isn't really "forgivable" material.


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*** [[FlatYes Yes.]] Well played as your Devil's Advocate is, the problem is that the problems with the book don't even *remotely* come close to stopping with Revan's issues. The book gets very, Incredibly basic issues like the whole "Force/life eatig/Void in the Force" problems wrong, since apparently we're supposed to believe the walking wound in the force that is the Exile (who fought a BLACK HOLE in the force like Darth Nih) apparently has no familiarity with the concept of siphoning off the power of the Force from other things. Nevermind the fact that to the game fan, the Sith Emperor being effortlessly able to brainwash Revan and Malak comes out of nowhere and isn't even hinted at in the previous games, and so comes out looking rather like an AssPull. Nevermind the fact that Drew had a golden chance to give the Exile and Scrouge an awesome scene, where Scrouge asks his question about the nature of the Emperor to ''someone who draws her power from almost the exact same source as the Emperor does but Remained With the Light'' and instead he just blew it, mutilating the Exile's character even further. Again, I could give the explanation about Revan a pass if that were the only problem, but the fact remains that the book is such a hack job that would be wasted. Good Devil's Advocate, mate, just that this isn't really "forgivable" material.
*** Agreed with the above. This isn't even "the Exile's backstory might not be 100% accurate", this is "the Exile doesn't appear to ''have'' a backstory. Or friends, or notable character traits outside of slavishly following Revan around". When they could've easily substituted random female Jedi Jane D'oe for the Exile, yeah, it's a problem--not to mention the severely [[Main/UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implications]] of casually tossing a female video game protagonist (in the ''Star Wars'' universe, no less) into the fridge.

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*** ** [[FlatYes Yes.]] Well played as your Devil's Advocate is, the problem is that the problems with the book don't even *remotely* come close to stopping with Revan's issues. The book gets very, Incredibly basic issues like the whole "Force/life eatig/Void in the Force" problems wrong, since apparently we're supposed to believe the walking wound in the force that is the Exile (who fought a BLACK HOLE in the force like Darth Nih) apparently has no familiarity with the concept of siphoning off the power of the Force from other things. Nevermind the fact that to the game fan, the Sith Emperor being effortlessly able to brainwash Revan and Malak comes out of nowhere and isn't even hinted at in the previous games, and so comes out looking rather like an AssPull. Nevermind the fact that Drew had a golden chance to give the Exile and Scrouge an awesome scene, where Scrouge asks his question about the nature of the Emperor to ''someone who draws her power from almost the exact same source as the Emperor does but Remained With the Light'' and instead he just blew it, mutilating the Exile's character even further. Again, I could give the explanation about Revan a pass if that were the only problem, but the fact remains that the book is such a hack job that would be wasted. Good Devil's Advocate, mate, just that this isn't really "forgivable" material.
*** ** Agreed with the above. This isn't even "the Exile's backstory might not be 100% accurate", this is "the Exile doesn't appear to ''have'' a backstory. Or friends, or notable character traits outside of slavishly following Revan around". When they could've easily substituted random female Jedi Jane D'oe for the Exile, yeah, it's a problem--not to mention the severely [[Main/UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implications]] of casually tossing a female video game protagonist (in the ''Star Wars'' universe, no less) into the fridge.

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*** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material s in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .

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*** ** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material s in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .

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*** Thirded. I just emphasized the poor treatment of Kotor 2's material because it's just a demonstration of how utterly flawed this thing is. The treatment of Kotor 1's material was just as bad even if it actually is present, at least in my opinion. Rather than give a nice trip down nostalgia lane and paint a picture of the galaxy as it is after the great turmoils- as the thing that would eventually be what it is in The Old Republic and that Revan and the Exile went to protect- they dealt with it in one of the most unsatisfactory ways imaginable. Which is especially bitter because of things like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story

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*** ** Thirded. I just emphasized the poor treatment of Kotor 2's material because it's just a demonstration of how utterly flawed this thing is. The treatment of Kotor 1's material was just as bad even if it actually is present, at least in my opinion. Rather than give a nice trip down nostalgia lane and paint a picture of the galaxy as it is after the great turmoils- as the thing that would eventually be what it is in The Old Republic and that Revan and the Exile went to protect- they dealt with it in one of the most unsatisfactory ways imaginable. Which is especially bitter because of things like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story



*** Admittedly it's understandable from a business standpoint why K2 gets almost blatantly ignored, being half-finished and all.... [[WhatCouldHaveBeen even though Obsidian offered to make a patch]]. Still, there are a LOT of things that get ignored or outright retconned that really added to the universe. So Mission and Zaalbar are handwaved into not coming due to their business, Jolee and Juhani are too busy rebuilding the Order. Does that include Atton, Visas, Brianna, Mical, and Mira? They all canonically go on to do so. Bao-Dur's death was cut early in production, so perhaps he too was meant to be there. For that matter, what about Hanharr? He can either be killed or spared or even convinced to help you. It's so frustrating how entire events which would reshape the infrastructure of the galaxy and the characters responsible for it are ignored as if they're unimportant.

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*** ** Admittedly it's understandable from a business standpoint why K2 gets almost blatantly ignored, being half-finished and all.... [[WhatCouldHaveBeen even though Obsidian offered to make a patch]]. Still, there are a LOT of things that get ignored or outright retconned that really added to the universe. So Mission and Zaalbar are handwaved into not coming due to their business, Jolee and Juhani are too busy rebuilding the Order. Does that include Atton, Visas, Brianna, Mical, and Mira? They all canonically go on to do so. Bao-Dur's death was cut early in production, so perhaps he too was meant to be there. For that matter, what about Hanharr? He can either be killed or spared or even convinced to help you. It's so frustrating how entire events which would reshape the infrastructure of the galaxy and the characters responsible for it are ignored as if they're unimportant.unimportant.

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** Mission and Zaalbaar being 'too busy' with their business doesn't even track with their characterization - Zaalbaar swore a lifedebt to Revan. "A lifedebt is the most solemn vow a Wookiee can make. It means he'll stay by your side for the rest of your life - wherever you go, whatever you do, Zaalbar will be with you," and Mission declared that she and Zaalbaar were a package deal. And yet Big Z is busy with some business rather than at Revan's side?

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** Mission and Zaalbaar being 'too busy' with their business doesn't even track with their characterization - Zaalbaar swore a lifedebt to Revan. "A lifedebt is the most solemn vow a Wookiee can make. It means he'll stay by your side for the rest of your life - wherever you go, whatever you do, Zaalbar will be with you," and Mission declared that she and Zaalbaar were a package deal. And yet Big Z is busy with some business rather than at Revan's side?side?
*** Admittedly it's understandable from a business standpoint why K2 gets almost blatantly ignored, being half-finished and all.... [[WhatCouldHaveBeen even though Obsidian offered to make a patch]]. Still, there are a LOT of things that get ignored or outright retconned that really added to the universe. So Mission and Zaalbar are handwaved into not coming due to their business, Jolee and Juhani are too busy rebuilding the Order. Does that include Atton, Visas, Brianna, Mical, and Mira? They all canonically go on to do so. Bao-Dur's death was cut early in production, so perhaps he too was meant to be there. For that matter, what about Hanharr? He can either be killed or spared or even convinced to help you. It's so frustrating how entire events which would reshape the infrastructure of the galaxy and the characters responsible for it are ignored as if they're unimportant.


*** Thirded. I just emphasized the poor treatment of Kotor 2's material because it's just a demonstration of how utterly flawed this thing is. The treatment of Kotor 1's material was just as bad even if it actually is present, at least in my opinion. Rather than give a nice trip down nostalgia lane and paint a picture of the galaxy as it is after the great turmoils- as the thing that would eventually be what it is in The Old Republic and that Revan and the Exile went to protect- they dealt with it in one of the most unsatisfactory ways imaginable. Which is especially bitter because of things like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story

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*** Thirded. I just emphasized the poor treatment of Kotor 2's material because it's just a demonstration of how utterly flawed this thing is. The treatment of Kotor 1's material was just as bad even if it actually is present, at least in my opinion. Rather than give a nice trip down nostalgia lane and paint a picture of the galaxy as it is after the great turmoils- as the thing that would eventually be what it is in The Old Republic and that Revan and the Exile went to protect- they dealt with it in one of the most unsatisfactory ways imaginable. Which is especially bitter because of things like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Storycom/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story
** Mission and Zaalbaar being 'too busy' with their business doesn't even track with their characterization - Zaalbaar swore a lifedebt to Revan. "A lifedebt is the most solemn vow a Wookiee can make. It means he'll stay by your side for the rest of your life - wherever you go, whatever you do, Zaalbar will be with you," and Mission declared that she and Zaalbaar were a package deal. And yet Big Z is busy with some business rather than at Revan's side?


*** That and it isn't simply the treatment of Kotor 2. I emphasized that in my reply above because the damage is so overwhelming, obvious, and easy to summarize because it basically isn't there while Kotor 1 is. But just because Kotor 1's material s in doesn't mean it wasn't mistreated as badly. Especially in comparison to the concepts of an alternative like this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story .



** You're not the only one. Something like eighty or ninety percent of all the characters from both games get thrown under the bus, and it`s really frustrating. (And now this Headscratchers page has basically turned into a "what I didn`t like about this book/what it got wrong" page. Huh.)

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** You're not the only one. Something like eighty or ninety percent of all the characters from both games get thrown under the bus, and it`s really frustrating. (And now this Headscratchers page has basically turned into a "what I didn`t like about this book/what it got wrong" page. Huh.))
*** Thirded. I just emphasized the poor treatment of Kotor 2's material because it's just a demonstration of how utterly flawed this thing is. The treatment of Kotor 1's material was just as bad even if it actually is present, at least in my opinion. Rather than give a nice trip down nostalgia lane and paint a picture of the galaxy as it is after the great turmoils- as the thing that would eventually be what it is in The Old Republic and that Revan and the Exile went to protect- they dealt with it in one of the most unsatisfactory ways imaginable. Which is especially bitter because of things like this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126490-KOTOR-III-Would-Have-Finished-Revans-Story


* A lot of people seem to be unhappy with how the Kotor 2 characters didn't get much of an appearence. Am I the only one who thought some of the Kotor 1 characters got a raw deal too? Revan chooses to not bring Mission or Zaalbar because of their "business". Okay, I guess that's considerate, but they really can't take a few days off for one last adventure? It gets worse with Jolee and Juhani. Revan doesn't bring them because they're part of the Jedi Order and apparently Revan doesn't trust them anymore. Hell, Carth doesn't even get a ''mention''! On the other hand, way too much time was spent on Canderous in my opinion. We ''know'' he became Mandalore, was it really necessary to dedicate a bunch of chapters to show how he got the mask back?

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* A lot of people seem to be unhappy with how the Kotor 2 characters didn't get much of an appearence. Am I the only one who thought some of the Kotor 1 characters got a raw deal too? Revan chooses to not bring Mission or Zaalbar because of their "business". Okay, I guess that's considerate, but they really can't take a few days off for one last adventure? It gets worse with Jolee and Juhani. Revan doesn't bring them because they're part of the Jedi Order and apparently Revan doesn't trust them anymore. Hell, Carth doesn't even get a ''mention''! On the other hand, way too much time was spent on Canderous in my opinion. We ''know'' he became Mandalore, was it really necessary to dedicate a bunch of chapters to show how he got the mask back?back?
** You're not the only one. Something like eighty or ninety percent of all the characters from both games get thrown under the bus, and it`s really frustrating. (And now this Headscratchers page has basically turned into a "what I didn`t like about this book/what it got wrong" page. Huh.)


** See the above comments about how it seems that the sequel game is not just ignored but outright contradicted - the Exile is unfamiliar with planet/Force consuming abilities, which was Nihilus's whole shtick, her connection to the Force was simply lost and regained, instead of her siphoning and drawing on the Force abilities of those around her, the KOTOR 2 crew are not mentioned except for Kreia, who has become subject to 'dark side corruption,' and all of her teaching about the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force that ran counter to common beliefs? Just a manifestation of that corruption, can be tossed aside, no worries. Also, to some, it screams of a cash grab - Want to see the continuation of Revan and the Exile's stories? Not your character. Want answers to the questions raised in this book? Yeah, you're gonna have to play the tie-in game to get anything.

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** See the above comments about how it seems that the sequel game is not just ignored but outright contradicted - the Exile is unfamiliar with planet/Force consuming abilities, which was Nihilus's whole shtick, her connection to the Force was simply lost and regained, instead of her siphoning and drawing on the Force abilities of those around her, the KOTOR 2 crew are not mentioned except for Kreia, who has become subject to 'dark side corruption,' and all of her teaching about the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force that ran counter to common beliefs? Just a manifestation of that corruption, can be tossed aside, no worries. Also, to some, it screams of a cash grab - Want to see the continuation of Revan and the Exile's stories? Not your character. Want answers to the questions raised in this book? Yeah, you're gonna have to play the tie-in game to get anything.anything.
* A lot of people seem to be unhappy with how the Kotor 2 characters didn't get much of an appearence. Am I the only one who thought some of the Kotor 1 characters got a raw deal too? Revan chooses to not bring Mission or Zaalbar because of their "business". Okay, I guess that's considerate, but they really can't take a few days off for one last adventure? It gets worse with Jolee and Juhani. Revan doesn't bring them because they're part of the Jedi Order and apparently Revan doesn't trust them anymore. Hell, Carth doesn't even get a ''mention''! On the other hand, way too much time was spent on Canderous in my opinion. We ''know'' he became Mandalore, was it really necessary to dedicate a bunch of chapters to show how he got the mask back?


*** Agreed with the above. This isn't even "the Exile's backstory might not be 100% accurate", this is "the Exile doesn't appear to ''have'' a backstory. Or friends, or notable character traits outside of slavishly following Revan around". When they could've easily substituted random female Jedi Jane D'oe
for the Exile, yeah, it's a problem--not to mention the severely [[Main/UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implications]] of casually tossing a female video game protagonist (in the ''Star Wars'' universe, no less) into the fridge.

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*** Agreed with the above. This isn't even "the Exile's backstory might not be 100% accurate", this is "the Exile doesn't appear to ''have'' a backstory. Or friends, or notable character traits outside of slavishly following Revan around". When they could've easily substituted random female Jedi Jane D'oe
D'oe for the Exile, yeah, it's a problem--not to mention the severely [[Main/UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implications]] of casually tossing a female video game protagonist (in the ''Star Wars'' universe, no less) into the fridge.

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