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** It was creepy. The only plausible disconnect is that the difference between Clone 49 and Clone 52 is couple of days in the movie, but it's hard to imagine how there wouldn't be serious psychological issues considering that she knows its not the same one and she's mourned the death of 49. But concepts of identity are very hard to fathom in these cases - and some individuals might not be nearly as troubled by them as others
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***I am your god, Jack. I made you. Sally doesn't think Jack would be capable of harming her. She thinks she has him totally at her mercy, even if he's planning something what could he possibly do as one single human? She has likely billions of identical clones aboard her, in the grand scheme of things to her he is no more significant than an ant. Julia is the only thing that makes him special, akin to seeing an ant carrying a big flag. You'd be curious but you wouldn't expect that flag to secretly be a bullet designed to shoot you in the face.
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***Have you noticed anything about how the TET operates? Any kinda pattern? Like how it deploys the same pair of people endlessly, and the exact same model of drone (and in fact appears to have nothing but that model of drone in its hangars...). Almost like it's more of a Dumb AI than it lets on, and it can only employ the same tactic over and over. Which is coincidentally also supported by the fact that it can't actually come up with anything new to say, everything it says in Sally's voice (especially when it's taken her face) is a rehash of something that the original NASA MC said.
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*** How would the scavs put it there to be sucked up in the first place?
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***Consider - the Tet has been sucking Earth's oceans for decades and still isn't done. It would likely take centuries to drain the gas giants of fusion fuel (at least), which would give humanity that much time to prepare. If the Tet is going to mine an entire solar system, it would definitely need to seek out and destroy any intelligent life first.
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** Not only that, but on the Empire State Building Jack comes to the conclusion that he's not the original but who he is and his love for Julia are still 'real'. This leads to the idea that 52 is still Jack and can have a relationship with Julia, even though 49 was the protagonist. Remember also that 52 is the only other clone that ever met Julia.
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** For 49 to get into 52's area, he had to cross into the rad zone. Vicka said this would kill him in seconds, so believing this, it's something no one would ever really think about doing.
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** For 49 to get into 52's area, he had to cross into the rad zone. Vicka said this would kill him in seconds, so believing this, it's something no one would ever really think about doing.doing.
** Even 49 going into the area was an accident. He told Julia not to worry since they weren't going into the radiation zone right before the drone made them crash land into it.
** Even 49 going into the area was an accident. He told Julia not to worry since they weren't going into the radiation zone right before the drone made them crash land into it.
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** Also, unless you are Superman, grabbing a huge object by a tiny part and pulling really hard only serves to break that part out completely. Not to mention the ship was running its front thruster trying to back off from the Tet. If the beam had only been "grabbing" the cockpit, that part would have been ripped it out in seconds.
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** Also, unless you are Superman, grabbing a huge object by a tiny part and pulling really hard only serves to break that part out completely. Not to mention the ship was running its front thruster trying to back off from the Tet. If the beam had only been "grabbing" the cockpit, that part would have been ripped it out in seconds.
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** Earthquakes, tsumanis and bomb craters can all be explained by fragments of Moon falling down on Earth. There has been no nuclear war ("radiation zones" are not), so the rest could be bullshit just as well. Earth had Class 1 Apocalypse, not Class 2 or 3 as Jack was made to believe.
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** For 49 to get into 52's area, he had to cross into the rad zone. Vicka said this would kill him in seconds, so believing this, it's something no one would ever really think about doing.
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** The bubblecopter was pretty shot-up by this point, rule of drama more than an automated deactivate command.
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** The only thing is, the Tet doesn't ''care'' about humanity. It came to Earth to take all the resources it could. Humans are mostly just carbon (yes yes, more complex that that, but we're talking hollywood ''science'' here) and apparently dirt-simple to make in droves. All the Tet needs is to stomp humanity to the point that they leave it alone, and let it harvest whatever it wants. Then it'll leave, simple as that. The techs are there to keep the drones going, the drones are there to keep the collectors going. If humanity just huddled in the dirt, and didn't fight back, the drones would be unnecessary.
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** Sally acts as if the Tet is clamping down on resources, trying to horde every last bolt. Considering that the apparent plan is for the Tet to move on to another world once all the water is gone... Resource-wise, it's more practical to kill the 49s with a drone, then simply replace them with another clone pair. As for the bubble ship... Look, Sally's just not that bright. What kind of idiot tells a human they're their God, with a straight face? That kinda thing is just begging for a right hook to the face, metaphorical or not.
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* Indeed. the movie establishes that the clones are segregated into patrol areas with false "radiation zone" warnings to keep them segregated. One would assume there'd need to be more than two Jacks patrolling the area. Additionally, Sally seems to have terrible contingency protocols. When Victoria declares that she and 49 are no longer an effective team, rather than detonating the entire platform, or unlocking the moorings to send it crashing to the ground, Sally simply unlocks all the doors and sics a single barely functioning drone on the two. Why not disable the bubble ship of the "innefective" team?
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* Sally seems to have terrible contingency protocols. When Victoria declares that she and 49 are no longer an effective team, rather than detonating the entire platform, or unlocking the moorings to send it crashing to the ground, Sally simply unlocks all the doors and sics a single barely functioning drone on the two. Why not disable the bubble ship of the "innefective" team?
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* The Odysseys recorder crashes with the sleeper pod, yet seems to have recorded everything from the main cockpit. Additionally, the main cockpit couldn't do anything to pull away from the Tet, yet simply detaching the sleeper pod meant it fell away into orbit. That seems to be one hell of a focused tractor beam...
** The sleeper pod was pushing off the main cockpit and by the time the sleep pod was caught in the beam, the cockpit was already captured. There was no longer a reason to grab the pod. Still doesn't explain the recorder, though it may be that the rest of the "playback" was just Harper's memory filling in the gaps for the audience.
** The sleeper pod was pushing off the main cockpit and by the time the sleep pod was caught in the beam, the cockpit was already captured. There was no longer a reason to grab the pod. Still doesn't explain the recorder, though it may be that the rest of the "playback" was just Harper's memory filling in the gaps for the audience.
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* The Odysseys recorder crashes with the sleeper pod, yet seems to have recorded everything from the main cockpit. Additionally, the main cockpit couldn't do anything to pull away from the Tet, yet simply detaching the sleeper pod meant it fell away into orbit. That seems to be one hell of a focused tractor beam...
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**The sleeper pod was pushing off the main cockpit and by the time the sleep pod was caught in the beam, the cockpit was already captured. There was no longer a reason to grab the pod. Still doesn't explain the recorder, though it may be Maybe that the rest of the "playback" was just Harper's memory filling in the gaps for the audience.
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* The main cockpit couldn't do anything to pull away from the Tet, yet simply detaching the sleeper pod meant it fell away into orbit. That seems to be one hell of a focused tractor beam...
** The sleeper pod was pushing off the main cockpit and by the time the sleep pod was caught in the beam, the cockpit was already captured. There was no longer a reason to grab the pod.
** There WAS a lot of reasons to grab the pod, actually. The Tet was trying to get a sample of human, remember? Then it would be pretty stupid to assume there is someone inside the tiny cockpit while the rest of the huge ship is completely devoid of human life.
** Also, unless you are Superman, grabbing a huge object by a tiny part and pulling really hard only serves to break that part out completely. Not to mention the ship was running its front thruster trying to back off from the Tet. If the beam had only been "grabbing" the cockpit, that part would have been ripped it out in seconds.
** The sleeper pod was pushing off the main cockpit and by the time the sleep pod was caught in the beam, the cockpit was already captured. There was no longer a reason to grab the pod.
** There WAS a lot of reasons to grab the pod, actually. The Tet was trying to get a sample of human, remember? Then it would be pretty stupid to assume there is someone inside the tiny cockpit while the rest of the huge ship is completely devoid of human life.
** Also, unless you are Superman, grabbing a huge object by a tiny part and pulling really hard only serves to break that part out completely. Not to mention the ship was running its front thruster trying to back off from the Tet. If the beam had only been "grabbing" the cockpit, that part would have been ripped it out in seconds.
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* Do the Tech's operation areas overlap? For obvious reasons (you don't want two ships encountering each other while patrolling and stop to have a chat, do you?), let's assume they don't. If so, how can Tech49's and Tech52's ship both get to Jack's little hideout? After crossing to Tech52's area, Tech49's ship is immediately shut down. Then, after treating Julia's wound, Jack flies her to his hideout using Tech52's ship. That makes no sense.
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** Jupiter would be a terrible choice since it has a strong gravity well and radiation. Saturn has strong winds as well. Neptune would be the optimal choice. But as someone said before, if it began harvesting another planet before it attacked Earth, humanity would've had time to prepare.
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*** It would make more sense if they'd had their "Why would Jack believe us after a few hours of conversation versus the reality he's known for years?" thoughts before capturing him and just gone directly to violence. But they try to reason with him making sure to omit precisely enough important information to ensure its failure and then resort to violence as though they'd proven the reasoning route in-effective. The scene would have played out the same way, but at least it wouldn't have given the impression that the Scavs' primary objective was to just beat up a clone.
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*** Same reason you don't run your car until it dies - practicality. You replace it before it dies, if you can help it, because a 50-year old car requires a lot more micromanaging than a new car.
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*** They may have rationalized it as "Why would Jack believe us after a few hours of conversation versus the reality he's known for years?" Let's face it... it wouldn't be easy to do a complete 180 on literally everything you know - including yourself.
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** Weather and currents and difficulty of maintance.
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**** But that's the thing. Tet probably didn't HAVE the resources to send out an army of drones. Also, remember that it's primary purpose is to stockpile energy/fuel - using fuel and resources to make drones may end up being a zero (even negative) sum gambit... defeating the whole point of trying to refuel.
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**** Smart and intelligence doesn't corrolate to strategy or effectiveness or some sort of universal skill. A highly trained doctor isn't necessarily going to be a great general. A chess champion isn't necessarily going to be know how to best repair an Abrams tank. Tet may not have been equipped with strategic knowledge.
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** There's a documentary on this very topic. The long and short is, yeah, the Moon has a huge effect on the Earth. The tides, for instance. But it also helps stablize the spin of the earth and causes some small (relative to the other forces it exerts) tectonic effects. The moon getting destroyed would be pretty devastating to life. That said, if it was blown up but still existed, the same amount of mass would still be in orbit (give or take) and it may not actually be as bad as if the moon was simply gone.
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**** Actually, it is easier - cloning is pretty darn simple and at least in Hollywood, the memory and programming of it is easy as well. Making a virus is also easy... but making a virus do and act the way you want is hard. Part of it is mutation. Part of it is also the human immune system (not to mention, medicine and technology). We've beaten viruses before (hi smallpox) - to create one and deliever one in a way that would eradicate humans would probably on par with just dropping a nuke or big explosive (except you don't need as much resources and understanding).
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**** Possible but unlikely. You pelt the Earth with enough rocks, you're basically recreating the early history of the Earth and/or Mars. Meaning it gets hot. Meaning the water may get blasted off into space, defeating the point of whole thing.
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*** But they narration said that its destruction caused massive earthquakes and shredded the surface, only then followed by the nukes. All of the Empire State up to the viewing platform was underground. Assuming, of course, that the earthquakes aren't just a bunch of BS the Tet told Jack.
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*** But they the narration said that its destruction caused massive earthquakes and shredded the surface, only then followed by the nukes. All of the Empire State up to the viewing platform was underground. Assuming, of course, that the earthquakes aren't just a bunch of BS the Tet told Jack.
*** It's the same Handwave for changing the surface and global environment that Thundarr The Barbarian uses.
*** It's the same Handwave for changing the surface and global environment that Thundarr The Barbarian uses.
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***But they narration said that its destruction caused massive earthquakes and shredded the surface, only then followed by the nukes. All of the Empire State up to the viewing platform was underground. Assuming, of course, that the earthquakes aren't just a bunch of BS the Tet told Jack.
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** Radars do not/are not programmed to recognize organic matter on the surface.
** The Tet and/or the clones wouldn't think that organic life remains after the apocalypse, so there is no logical reason to look out for it.
** Maybe anything close to the rad zone shouldn't be investigated under normal clone orders(the key word here being normal). There's nothing saying the organic zone isn't close to/far away from the rad zone.
** The Tet and/or the clones wouldn't think that organic life remains after the apocalypse, so there is no logical reason to look out for it.
** Maybe anything close to the rad zone shouldn't be investigated under normal clone orders(the key word here being normal). There's nothing saying the organic zone isn't close to/far away from the rad zone.
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* Radars do not/are not programmed to recognize organic matter on the surface.
* The Tet and/or the clones wouldn't think that organic life remains after the apocalypse, so there is no logical reason to look out for it.
* Maybe anything close to the rad zone shouldn't be investigated under normal clone orders(the key word here being normal). There's nothing saying the organic zone isn't close to/far away from the rad zone.
* The Tet and/or the clones wouldn't think that organic life remains after the apocalypse, so there is no logical reason to look out for it.
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** Didn't Sally state that the rig that exploded probably sucked up a fuel cell? I don't see how putting them at the bottom of the ocean would prevent that.
