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** You're missing something very important about Treize something several characters say, from one of the gundam pilots to a nameless extra who did a kamikaze run in the same scene he was introduced [[spoiler: Treize is Wrong. In fact my interpretation of the character is that he is like a prince, who's name I can't for the life of me remember, that was mentioned twice as a historical reference in the Art of War he had the oppertunity to ambush his enemy as they were crossing the river but he chose to let them cross [[HonorBeforeReason un-harrassed,]] his generals then advised him to order his troops to attack his enemy before they got into formation. He waited for his enemy to get into formation instead. This prince got himself and all his men killed and he is considered such an idiot that the ART OF WAR says don't be like him. I think that if Treize heard that story he would call the Prince a great man. He almost always chooses to do what would be most heroic in an Arthurian romance epic.]]
*** That's not really the case. Yes Treize has a somewhat romantic view of war, but he's not an idiot. There are just lines he is unwilling to cross. Don't forget he's the head of an organization that the 5 Gundam pilots were set up to fight AND is highly accomplished. So obviously he was doing something right.

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** You're missing something very important about Treize Treize, something several characters say, from one of the gundam Gundam pilots to a nameless extra who did a kamikaze run in the same scene he was introduced introduced, that is [[spoiler: Treize is Wrong. In fact my interpretation of the character is that he is like a prince, who's whose name I can't for the life of me remember, that was mentioned twice as a historical reference in the Art of War he had the oppertunity opportunity to ambush his enemy as they were crossing the river but he chose to let them cross [[HonorBeforeReason un-harrassed,]] his generals then advised him to order his troops to attack his enemy before they got into formation. He waited for his enemy to get into formation instead. This prince got himself and all his men killed and he is considered such an idiot that the ART OF WAR says don't be like him. I think that if Treize heard that story he would call the Prince a great man. He almost always chooses to do what would be most heroic in an Arthurian romance epic.]]
*** That's not really the case. Yes Yes, Treize has a somewhat romantic view of war, but he's not an idiot. There are just lines he is unwilling to cross. Don't forget he's the head of an organization that the 5 Gundam pilots were set up to fight AND is highly accomplished. So obviously he was doing something right.



*** The above is exactly right, Treize's whole plan was to create a permanent peace through a war that would be so horrific as to make people seek peace. Treize's long plan is almost at-hand when Tsubarov introduces the mobile dolls, which not only go against Treize's ideals, but also in practical terms, would scuttle his plan. How can war be seen as horrific if humans aren't even a factor?

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*** The above is exactly right, Treize's whole plan was to create a permanent peace through a war that would be so horrific as to make people seek peace. Treize's long plan is almost at-hand when Tsubarov introduces the mobile dolls, Mobile Dolls, which not only go against Treize's ideals, but also in practical terms, would scuttle his plan. How can war be seen as horrific if humans aren't even a factor?



*** It should also be mentioned that the main supporters of drones and other UAV's support them because it means that their own soldiers do not have to go out and risk their lives in combat. While this is in contrast to Treize's views, considering the 5 Gundams impressive bodycount, there would no doubt be a large quantity of widows and grieving families pushing for mobile dolls to be adopted, as some people do in combat with modern-day terrorist groups, and given that many of the Gundam series tend to take place in a GreyandGrayMorality, notably humanising both sides then it would be odd to think that everyone agrees. Also, the general public does not know who pilots the Gundams, and thus is not aware of the pilots motivations or even faces, they just see them as monsters responsible for murdering their friends and families, and as such would have far less reservations about the ethics of the situation than we do.

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*** It should also be mentioned that the main supporters of drones and other UAV's support them because it means that their own soldiers do not have to go out and risk their lives in combat. While this is in contrast to Treize's views, considering the 5 Gundams impressive bodycount, body count, there would no doubt be a large quantity of widows and grieving families pushing for mobile dolls to be adopted, as some people do in combat with modern-day terrorist groups, and given that many of the Gundam series tend to take place in a GreyandGrayMorality, notably humanising humanizing both sides then it would be odd to think that everyone agrees. Also, the general public does not know who pilots the Gundams, and thus is not aware of the pilots motivations or even faces, they just see them as monsters responsible for murdering their friends and families, and as such would have far less reservations about the ethics of the situation than we do.



*** Actually, the whole element of the "disposal block" is explained in the manga Battlefield of Pacifists. It was actually a resource satelite that was being used as a mobile suit factory by more bad guys. The Gundam pilots beat the snot out of them and stop production before getting all ad and pacifistic deciding to send their gundams into the sun on the damn thing. It's very likely that they had equipment for sending out mobile suits already at the place, so it probably wouldn't be too hard to load wing zero onto one and blast it off. as for why the module was thematcally compatible wth the angel wings, ya got me.

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*** Actually, the whole element of the "disposal block" is explained in the manga Battlefield of Pacifists. It was actually a resource satelite satellite that was being used as a mobile suit factory by more bad guys. The Gundam pilots beat the snot out of them and stop production before getting all ad sad and pacifistic deciding to send their gundams Gundams into the sun on the damn thing. It's very likely that they had equipment for sending out mobile suits already at the place, so it probably wouldn't be too hard to load wing zero Wing Zero onto one and blast it off. as As for why the module was thematcally thematically compatible wth with the angel wings, ya got me.



* Soooo, what the hell is up with the Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz. Why does it have feathered wings, and flap like a bird? If the show was Evangalion, or even G Gundam, I could accept that. But this is not one of those shows, so the feathered wings on the humongous mecha seems.... stupid.

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* Soooo, what the hell is up with the Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz. Why does it have feathered wings, and flap like a bird? If the show was Evangalion, Evangelion, or even G Gundam, I could accept that. But this is not one of those shows, so the feathered wings on the humongous mecha seems.... stupid.



*** How do you think man's inspiration for flight (read: birds) are just so damned good at what they do? Wings work. Wings work differently depending on their design and purpose of utilization, but they all work good for what they're intended. Given that the [[http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Gundanium_Alloy fictional alloy]] is arguably the strongest metal to date, it wouldn't be a stretch for them to be able to create highly flexible, thin but strong, feather/wing-like structures that enable a flapping motion like that of a bird. The process of creation behind gundanium alloy and what it is capable of, makes creating wing structures viable look like crocheting a scarf.

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*** How do you think man's inspiration for flight (read: birds) are just so damned good at what they do? Wings work. Wings work differently depending on their design and purpose of utilization, but they all work good for what they're intended. Given that the [[http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Gundanium_Alloy fictional alloy]] is arguably the strongest metal to date, it wouldn't be a stretch for them to be able to create highly flexible, thin but strong, feather/wing-like structures that enable a flapping motion like that of a bird. The process of creation behind gundanium Gundanium alloy and what it is capable of, makes creating wing structures viable look like crocheting a scarf.


* This Headscratcher is twofold. First of all, why did Treize have General Septum killed off? It's not like he needed him to die after he outlived his usefulness, and it actually should have caused him problems with people wondering what happened after he made the televised declaration of war, which brings me to the second part of my Headscratcher: Why did no one ebother looking into General Septum's sudden and very suspicous disappearance? He was seen on TV AFTER the murder of Marshall Noventa and the other delegates, so his disappearance couldn't have been chalked up to that, and there were surely several people who saw him leave the New Edwards Base with Treize, so why did no one question Treize about his disappearance or even make an inquiry into his disappearance? This baffles me to no end.
** Because Treize hated him, because [[YouAreInCommandNow leaving him alive would mean leaving the Alliance with a legitimate military commander-in-chief other than himself]] (so without him part of the Alliance troops mutinies and joined OZ, and the others were easy picking due lack of coordination), and because he was a warmonger that could have made the Eve Wars much worse.

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* This Headscratcher is twofold. First of all, why did Treize have General Septum killed off? It's not like he needed him to die after he outlived his usefulness, and it actually should have caused him problems with people wondering what happened after he made the televised declaration of war, which brings me to the second part of my Headscratcher: Why did no one ebother bother looking into General Septum's sudden and very suspicous disappearance? He was seen on TV AFTER the murder of Marshall Noventa and the other delegates, so his disappearance couldn't have been chalked up to that, and there were surely several people who saw him leave the New Edwards Base with Treize, so why did no one question Treize about his disappearance or even make an inquiry into his disappearance? This baffles me to no end.
** Because Treize hated him, because [[YouAreInCommandNow leaving him alive would mean leaving the Alliance with a legitimate military commander-in-chief other than himself]] (so without him part of the Alliance troops mutinies mutinied and joined OZ, and the others were easy picking due to lack of coordination), and because he was a warmonger that could have made the Eve Wars much worse.


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** I think somebody explained this on another page but I'm not sure which so I'll try to remember it here: "Machinegun" (verb) is military jargon for "fire a warning shot," which Zechs is pointing out, won't do any good. The HongKong/fansub translations pick up on this, Bandai doesn't.

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** I think somebody explained this on another page but I'm not sure which so I'll try to remember it here: "Machinegun" (verb) is military jargon for "fire a warning shot," which Zechs is pointing out, won't do any good. The HongKong/fansub UsefulNotes/HongKong[=/=]fansub translations pick up on this, Bandai doesn't.

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*** Also, Treize manages to pique Wufei's interest by virtue of sheer badassery. Most enemies who see a Gundam either panic and run, or are in an MS able to at least attempt to fight back. Treize, on foot and in a VERY dangerous situation, looks the Gundam in the face and politely challenges the pilot to a duel. That alone shows a combination of confidence, absolute lack of fear, and composure that Wufei simply can't ignore.

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*** It's not so much a "victory" so much as it is something people respect. Imagine it this way. Which person do people cheer for more? A fighter who never has taken a serious blow, and just wins every match? Or the fighter who takes a beating, but adamantly refuses to give up, getting up to fight even when anyone else would have given up?


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** Doesn't seem like she assumes Mrs. Noventa knows where Heero is, exactly, so much as thinking that she might have some information or a possible lead. Not a concrete answer, but at least something that points her in some general direction. A report of a military base seeing a Gundam, or the like.

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** There are [[ContinuitySnarl numerous conflicting canon entries]] on whether the Epyon has Vulcans installed- they aren't much good against actual mobile suits unless used at point blank range and are really only used against missiles or threats that it wouldn't be feasible to use beam rifles or Mobile Suit-sized melee weapons against.


** Think of Wufei as being similar to [[MetalGear Big Boss]]: he witnessed the horrible way that soldiers and veterans are treated and wanted to create a world where those people are not only honored, but are able to fight honorably and attain a sense of glory. Pacifism like Relena's carried the implication that the soldiers, like the Mobile Suits and the other weapons, were to be cast aside to make room for this brave new world. It wasn't until Heero finally showed him the futility of endlessly fighting that he was able to accept the notion that a world that no longer needs soldiers to fight wars does not mean that there is no place for those soldiers once the fighting has stopped.

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** Think of Wufei as being similar to [[MetalGear [[VideoGame/MetalGear Big Boss]]: he witnessed the horrible way that soldiers and veterans are treated and wanted to create a world where those people are not only honored, but are able to fight honorably and attain a sense of glory. Pacifism like Relena's carried the implication that the soldiers, like the Mobile Suits and the other weapons, were to be cast aside to make room for this brave new world. It wasn't until Heero finally showed him the futility of endlessly fighting that he was able to accept the notion that a world that no longer needs soldiers to fight wars does not mean that there is no place for those soldiers once the fighting has stopped.



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*** Additionally, supplemental materials reveal that the Sandrock is specifically equipped with a derivative of the ALICE AI from the Sentinel Gundam series. So, at the least, the Sandrock is somewhat sentient.

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** Relating to all of the above, it's most likely due to the fact that the age of military service is lowered in this series. As Episode Zero states, Zechs and Noin have served in the military from age 12 on. Presumably, due to OZ's archaic and old-fashioned views of war, or other circumstances, enlistment age is lowered.

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* So Heero and Relena got married at the end of Frozen Teardrop. Yeah OK. So what name does Relena go by now? Relena Yuy? But Heero Yuy is not his real name. So how does that work?


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Yes it seems inconsistent, but individuals who are competitive in one thing but not in another are not uncommon. Heero is still human after all, so itís normal for him to have a number of issues. It makes sense that he is not a competitive Gundam pilot because he is indeed jaded, but that doesnít automatically mean he canít be ďcompetitiveĒ when it comes to other things, in this caseÖ personal achievements. I think he couldnít stand the fact that heís been fighting all this time, supressed his humanity and all just to be good at it too, and suddenly this inexperienced, idealistic girl shows up out of nowhere, fights the same battle with a total opposite approach, and somehow accomplishes more than he ever did. His cynicism has had him convinced all this time that the answer to everything was to fight so how did she manage that? Little did he know she was learning from him too (but thatís another topic). Bottom line, itís perfectly understandable that heís confused. And heís allowed to be pissed off about it. Itís an ego thing but this shouldnít be a surprise. The guy has an attitude problem. Duo said this multiple times in the show. But thatís the point of his character. He is supposed to be flawed so thereís room for him to develop/improve. In the end, he concedes and admits that he is nothing compared to her. He comes to the realization that yes she's stronger than him in character and that is not a bad thing. That's character maturation right there.

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Yes it seems inconsistent, but individuals who are competitive in one thing but not in another are not uncommon. Heero is still human after all, so itís normal for him to have a number of issues. It makes sense that he is not a competitive Gundam pilot because he is indeed jaded, but that doesnít automatically mean he canít be ďcompetitiveĒ when it comes to other things, in this caseÖ personal achievements. I think he couldnít stand the fact that heís been fighting all this time, supressed his humanity and all just to be good at it too, and suddenly this inexperienced, idealistic girl shows up out of nowhere, fights the same battle with a total opposite approach, and somehow accomplishes more than he ever did. His cynicism has had him convinced all this time that the answer to everything was to fight so how did she manage that? Little did he know she was learning from him too (but thatís another topic). Bottom line, itís perfectly understandable that heís confused. And heís allowed to be pissed off about it. Itís an ego thing but this shouldnít be a surprise. The guy has an attitude problem. Duo said this multiple times in the show. But thatís the point of his character. He is supposed to be flawed so thereís room for him to develop/improve. In the end, he concedes and admits that he is nothing compared to her. He comes to the realization that yes she's stronger than him in character and that is not a bad thing. That's character maturation right there.

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Yes it seems inconsistent, but individuals who are competitive in one thing but not in another are not uncommon. Heero is still human after all, so itís normal for him to have a number of issues. It makes sense that he is not a competitive Gundam pilot because he is indeed jaded, but that doesnít automatically mean he canít be ďcompetitiveĒ when it comes to other things, in this caseÖ personal achievements. I think he couldnít stand the fact that heís been fighting all this time, supressed his humanity and all just to be good at it too, and suddenly this inexperienced, idealistic girl shows up out of nowhere, fights the same battle with a total opposite approach, and somehow accomplishes more than he ever did. His cynicism has had him convinced all this time that the answer to everything was to fight so how did she manage that? Little did he know she was learning from him too (but thatís another topic). Bottom line, itís perfectly understandable that heís confused. And heís allowed to be pissed off about it. Itís an ego thing but this shouldnít be a surprise. The guy has an attitude problem. Duo said this multiple times in the show. But thatís the point of his character. He is supposed to be flawed so thereís room for him to develop/improve. In the end, he concedes and admits that he is nothing compared to her. He comes to the realization that yes she's stronger than him in character and that is not a bad thing. That's character maturation right there.

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